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Boquera,
Your post intrigues me. I think that it is quite reasonable for CX to expect candidates to have a few flying hours under their belt. They are sponsoring aspiring airline pilots in order for them to obtain a fATPL and then go on to work as flight crew for the airline. A big investment right?
If I were on the interview panel I would expect to see at least a few hours flown in a light aircraft. How do you know that you even like flying enough to persue it as a career if you haven't ever sat inside a spam can?
It's a good indicator of an individual's commitment and passion for aviation, granted not the only one I know. You are correct when you say flying isn't the cheapest of activities, however if aviation is your PASSION, you will put aside every other activity in order to persue it, it's all about drive and determination.
CX have to sort the men from the boys and one good way to do that is to look at past flying experince is it not? Competition will be fierce, especially in the current economic climate......
Your post intrigues me. I think that it is quite reasonable for CX to expect candidates to have a few flying hours under their belt. They are sponsoring aspiring airline pilots in order for them to obtain a fATPL and then go on to work as flight crew for the airline. A big investment right?
If I were on the interview panel I would expect to see at least a few hours flown in a light aircraft. How do you know that you even like flying enough to persue it as a career if you haven't ever sat inside a spam can?
It's a good indicator of an individual's commitment and passion for aviation, granted not the only one I know. You are correct when you say flying isn't the cheapest of activities, however if aviation is your PASSION, you will put aside every other activity in order to persue it, it's all about drive and determination.
CX have to sort the men from the boys and one good way to do that is to look at past flying experince is it not? Competition will be fierce, especially in the current economic climate......
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maybe you are right but at the moment its not about putting everything else to one side as I don't have a job at the moment to pick and choose what to put aside
in uni it was rent, food etc to pay for-no matter how much I wanted to do it i knew it wasn't financially viable for myself to be spending money on things that could be considered extravagances-such as £150 ish an hour flying lessons.
when you look at 'normal' jobs - they (most of the time) make it clear if no experience is required or if they indeed do want experience - what i was saying is that with something like this they should say if "You need not have previous flying experience..................." means they want some or not.
in uni it was rent, food etc to pay for-no matter how much I wanted to do it i knew it wasn't financially viable for myself to be spending money on things that could be considered extravagances-such as £150 ish an hour flying lessons.
when you look at 'normal' jobs - they (most of the time) make it clear if no experience is required or if they indeed do want experience - what i was saying is that with something like this they should say if "You need not have previous flying experience..................." means they want some or not.
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"If I were on the interview panel I would expect to see at least a few hours flown in a light aircraft. How do you know that you even like flying enough to persue it as a career if you haven't ever sat inside a spam can?" - wannabe mike
This makes a lot of sense.
However, at the same time, I've heard that cadet courses such as CX's prefer potential cadets not to have training at all as they would like their cadets to be trained to fly the "CX way" ...or some BS like that. So how true is that?
Definitely, a few hours under the belt would be a smarter decision I would say.
Why can't airlines just spell out their selection criteria? Minimum criteria (is there a plural for criteria?) are just very misleading.
This makes a lot of sense.
However, at the same time, I've heard that cadet courses such as CX's prefer potential cadets not to have training at all as they would like their cadets to be trained to fly the "CX way" ...or some BS like that. So how true is that?
Definitely, a few hours under the belt would be a smarter decision I would say.
Why can't airlines just spell out their selection criteria? Minimum criteria (is there a plural for criteria?) are just very misleading.
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Why can't airlines just spell out their selection criteria? Minimum criteria (is there a plural for criteria?) are just very misleading
exactly-they are muy frustrating!!!!
exactly-they are muy frustrating!!!!
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"You need not have flying experience...."
The airline industry is not unique in how they spell out their selection crtieria for cadets or any other job role for that matter.
Employers DO tell candidates the MINIMUM requirements that they expect to see for the advertised post- in any industry. In the case of CX, according to Boqeura's post they state, "You need not have flying experience....."
This is worded to imply that you do not need any flying experience, fair enough. However, they have stated their requirements have they not? You don't need any hours. They have worded their advert in such a way as to not exclude any potential suitable candidtaes.
In the industry I work in I have recently become involved in recruiting consultants for our business. We state the minimum requirements that we require of candidates when we advertise the job. When the CVs come in, alot of the people exceed the requirements and are still suitable for the role. Guess who we bring to interview? Perhaps this is just a sign of the times- an employer's market as a result of the recession.
My point is that they (CX) have stated their MINIMUM requirements. It's just that the people coming forward exceed these and luckily for them appear to be the type of people CX are after, much akin to how the recruitment process works in my industry.
Of course what I have written could all be complete s***e
. Just offering an insight into how it works in the industry I currently work in.
Employers DO tell candidates the MINIMUM requirements that they expect to see for the advertised post- in any industry. In the case of CX, according to Boqeura's post they state, "You need not have flying experience....."
This is worded to imply that you do not need any flying experience, fair enough. However, they have stated their requirements have they not? You don't need any hours. They have worded their advert in such a way as to not exclude any potential suitable candidtaes.
In the industry I work in I have recently become involved in recruiting consultants for our business. We state the minimum requirements that we require of candidates when we advertise the job. When the CVs come in, alot of the people exceed the requirements and are still suitable for the role. Guess who we bring to interview? Perhaps this is just a sign of the times- an employer's market as a result of the recession.
My point is that they (CX) have stated their MINIMUM requirements. It's just that the people coming forward exceed these and luckily for them appear to be the type of people CX are after, much akin to how the recruitment process works in my industry.
Of course what I have written could all be complete s***e
. Just offering an insight into how it works in the industry I currently work in.
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criteria - PLURAL
criterion - SINGULAR!!!!!!!!
wannabe mike -
I understand the point you are making. I myself am finding it hard to secure a job in aviation (engineering) cos of the economic slump everyone's in.
However, I feel that the minimum criteria stated by airlines are mostly BS because these criteria aren't realistic at all. Cos of the sheer number of wannabe pilots, unless you're really really young, most of the applicants who apply will exceed the minimum criteria. Hence most, if not all, of those accepted will have exceeded stated minimum criteria by far.
Realistically, if I only have whatever qualifications stated and not do anything beyond their criteria, I don't think I stand a chance. At the same time, me, being s*** for brains, will think 'hey I have the minimum requirements, I may just stand a chance!'.
When realistically, I don't. MISLEADING MAN! False hope sucks.
criterion - SINGULAR!!!!!!!!
wannabe mike -
I understand the point you are making. I myself am finding it hard to secure a job in aviation (engineering) cos of the economic slump everyone's in.
However, I feel that the minimum criteria stated by airlines are mostly BS because these criteria aren't realistic at all. Cos of the sheer number of wannabe pilots, unless you're really really young, most of the applicants who apply will exceed the minimum criteria. Hence most, if not all, of those accepted will have exceeded stated minimum criteria by far.
Realistically, if I only have whatever qualifications stated and not do anything beyond their criteria, I don't think I stand a chance. At the same time, me, being s*** for brains, will think 'hey I have the minimum requirements, I may just stand a chance!'.
When realistically, I don't. MISLEADING MAN! False hope sucks.
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Hello peeps!
From the previous posts, i understand that candidates in UK are already in their 2nd stage of the interview/selection process.
I am jus wondering if anyone from Singapore has applied and gotten a feedback or call up from them?
I've applied in Mid-Aug and have not gotten any calls or replies from CX. Am getting a bit worried and disappointed.
From the previous posts, i understand that candidates in UK are already in their 2nd stage of the interview/selection process.
I am jus wondering if anyone from Singapore has applied and gotten a feedback or call up from them?
I've applied in Mid-Aug and have not gotten any calls or replies from CX. Am getting a bit worried and disappointed.
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However, at the same time, I've heard that cadet courses such as CX's prefer potential cadets not to have training at all as they would like their cadets to be trained to fly the "CX way" ...or some BS like that. So how true is that?
However, at the same time, I've heard that cadet courses such as CX's prefer potential cadets not to have training at all as they would like their cadets to be trained to fly the "CX way" ...or some BS like that. So how true is that?
I worked for cathay pacific but not as an inflight crew. I remember when I was interviewed, the HR personnel told us that it doesn't matter if we have experience or not. Then she added that one advantage of starting from scratch so we can be trained the CX way from the get go. I just don't know if it applies to their cadet training. I for one have no flying experience at all but i'm giving it a try. who knows, i might get lucky.
I worked for cathay pacific but not as an inflight crew. I remember when I was interviewed, the HR personnel told us that it doesn't matter if we have experience or not. Then she added that one advantage of starting from scratch so we can be trained the CX way from the get go. I just don't know if it applies to their cadet training. I for one have no flying experience at all but i'm giving it a try. who knows, i might get lucky.
I know one CX cadet who completed the Integrated course at Oxford and CX have required him to start the ATPL all over again in Adelaide - but at least they are paying for it!
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From what I know, it seems to be an hours requirement. This is what I was told on my stage 3. If you want information on the whole cadet scheme, please go to the Fragrant Harbour wannabes section to avoid duplication of threads.
Anyway:
If you have under 250 hours total time - Full 61 week course in Adelaide
If you have more than 250 hours but less than 1500 hours - 32 week course in ADL
If you have 1500 hours or more - 12 week finesse course
Straight from a presentation I was given whilst at Cathay City for stage 3
Anyway:
If you have under 250 hours total time - Full 61 week course in Adelaide
If you have more than 250 hours but less than 1500 hours - 32 week course in ADL
If you have 1500 hours or more - 12 week finesse course
Straight from a presentation I was given whilst at Cathay City for stage 3
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Guys, there is a MASSIVE and VERY INFORMATIVE thread over in Fragrant Harbour Wannabes section, is there really a need for this thread moderators?
Guys, I suggest you navigate over to Fragrant Harbour and read the entire thread >>> it will most probably answer all your questions.
Guys, I suggest you navigate over to Fragrant Harbour and read the entire thread >>> it will most probably answer all your questions.
