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So how many free flights have ryan air given to sudanese gunshot wound victims?
How many nurses (of all beliefs!) have they delivered both into and out of war zones?
If you use the freepost envelopes to make your donation to Oxfam why not pay for a stamp to save them some extra dosh?
Same goes for pilot assessments! They are designed to help you as much as them!
How many nurses (of all beliefs!) have they delivered both into and out of war zones?
If you use the freepost envelopes to make your donation to Oxfam why not pay for a stamp to save them some extra dosh?
Same goes for pilot assessments! They are designed to help you as much as them!
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I think its poor that you need to be christian to help the organisation.
I'm a proud athiest, but at the same time I would enjoy helping poorer people in Africa but I can't because I don't believe in something they believe in?
I understand they are a Christian organisation, but the pilot isn't exactly going to be teaching the word of god to these people, he going to be flying the plane!
I'm a proud athiest, but at the same time I would enjoy helping poorer people in Africa but I can't because I don't believe in something they believe in?
I understand they are a Christian organisation, but the pilot isn't exactly going to be teaching the word of god to these people, he going to be flying the plane!
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In which case any interview for any job is designed to help me. Difference is in other walks of life I don't have to pay, and more often than not I get paid expenses to cover my travel and, sometimes, time.
How is it DESIGNED to help me? Rubbish. It is DESIGNED to choose a pilot, in this case using a very questionable set of criteria based on religion. Might as well be mumbo jumbo.
The similarity with Ryan Air was to do with charging for assessments, not to do with their routes or useful load.
An atheist pilot is perfectly capable of flying your sudanese mercy mission, perfectly capable of charity, perfectly capable of care, giving and generosity, and perfectly capable of flying a few nurses about. Into a war zone? Then you want an experienced, possibly ex military pilot. Muslim, christian, hindu, seikh, agnostic, atheist, sinner makes no bloody difference. Sounds like discrimination on the grounds of religion to me otherwise.
When I send a donation to Oxfam I AM NOT looking for a job.
My own generosity does not extend to lining your pockets so you can have a look at me. Or my religion. Or the lack of it.
Discrimination.
Hypocrisy I tell you.
How is it DESIGNED to help me? Rubbish. It is DESIGNED to choose a pilot, in this case using a very questionable set of criteria based on religion. Might as well be mumbo jumbo.
The similarity with Ryan Air was to do with charging for assessments, not to do with their routes or useful load.
An atheist pilot is perfectly capable of flying your sudanese mercy mission, perfectly capable of charity, perfectly capable of care, giving and generosity, and perfectly capable of flying a few nurses about. Into a war zone? Then you want an experienced, possibly ex military pilot. Muslim, christian, hindu, seikh, agnostic, atheist, sinner makes no bloody difference. Sounds like discrimination on the grounds of religion to me otherwise.
When I send a donation to Oxfam I AM NOT looking for a job.
My own generosity does not extend to lining your pockets so you can have a look at me. Or my religion. Or the lack of it.
Discrimination.
Hypocrisy I tell you.
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Treading on toes!
ooh errrr some touchy people on this post!
I for one am not attacking christians or athiests! People are all incredibly valuable in my mind no matter their world view. However I do not have to agree with that world view.
Before anyone attempts to judge others they should try to live in their shoes first. Anyone spent a week in Loki on the Kenyan/Sudanese border?
I highly recommend everyone takes at least one long vacation in africa.
It is a fantastic yet highly problematic and vast place for the western mind to grapple with. No one I know can seriously claim to fathom the depth of joy and despair those people endure on a daily basis. Many of the people are among the friendliest and hard working on the planet. Yes there are serious trouble makers, corruption and serious injustice as well. A friend of mine was shot in the head in Nairobi just walking to his car.
To blame organisations like MAF as hypocrites just because they seek a particular type of person to suit a very specific job is nonsense! It is just the same when you go for a BA interview or join the Forces - "will you fit in?". That's part of the reason for psychometric testing in larger businesses today.
Neither do MAF ask you to pay for your C208 or PC21 type rating at any time. The NL test daythat MAF use is expensive - it's used by KLM and the Dutch military. Why should a registered charity pay for you to do the test? Especially if you don't believe in their modus operandii?
This is not about who can pole a flying machine around the sky this is about whether you can fit in with an international team in inhospitiable environments dealing face to face with difficult personalties from witch doctors to busy bureaucrates.
An atheist with completely pure humanitarian goals would do some good work there, but not without huge effort and tons of frustration. Your motives for being there will most certainly come to the fore and reflect either positively or negatively on the members of your team and the organisation themselves.
One way to check those motives before hand is how you handle your money.
If a test for wanabees cost £500 and afterwards you discovered you weren't cut out to be a pilot was it worth saving you £90,000 some airline/training companies would have had you spend?
For those that passed the test it could be seen as confirmation of a desire to be a pilot. That encouragement would spur them on.
All registered charities come under the UK charities commission which is thoroughly regulated and run by people of all beleif systems (including atheism which is itself a belief system). MAF has been a charity since its formation in 1948. They are not there to rip people off - quite the opposite as i have witnessed first hand during my 5 years in Africa.
I for one am not attacking christians or athiests! People are all incredibly valuable in my mind no matter their world view. However I do not have to agree with that world view.
Before anyone attempts to judge others they should try to live in their shoes first. Anyone spent a week in Loki on the Kenyan/Sudanese border?
I highly recommend everyone takes at least one long vacation in africa.
It is a fantastic yet highly problematic and vast place for the western mind to grapple with. No one I know can seriously claim to fathom the depth of joy and despair those people endure on a daily basis. Many of the people are among the friendliest and hard working on the planet. Yes there are serious trouble makers, corruption and serious injustice as well. A friend of mine was shot in the head in Nairobi just walking to his car.
To blame organisations like MAF as hypocrites just because they seek a particular type of person to suit a very specific job is nonsense! It is just the same when you go for a BA interview or join the Forces - "will you fit in?". That's part of the reason for psychometric testing in larger businesses today.
Neither do MAF ask you to pay for your C208 or PC21 type rating at any time. The NL test daythat MAF use is expensive - it's used by KLM and the Dutch military. Why should a registered charity pay for you to do the test? Especially if you don't believe in their modus operandii?
This is not about who can pole a flying machine around the sky this is about whether you can fit in with an international team in inhospitiable environments dealing face to face with difficult personalties from witch doctors to busy bureaucrates.
An atheist with completely pure humanitarian goals would do some good work there, but not without huge effort and tons of frustration. Your motives for being there will most certainly come to the fore and reflect either positively or negatively on the members of your team and the organisation themselves.
One way to check those motives before hand is how you handle your money.
If a test for wanabees cost £500 and afterwards you discovered you weren't cut out to be a pilot was it worth saving you £90,000 some airline/training companies would have had you spend?
For those that passed the test it could be seen as confirmation of a desire to be a pilot. That encouragement would spur them on.
All registered charities come under the UK charities commission which is thoroughly regulated and run by people of all beleif systems (including atheism which is itself a belief system). MAF has been a charity since its formation in 1948. They are not there to rip people off - quite the opposite as i have witnessed first hand during my 5 years in Africa.
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Other options
there are plenty of other groups out there for those of you who want to help others but don't subscribe to Jesus' and/or his churches ideas on how to do it:
AIRSERV (actually started by MAF folk who wanted to use skills of all and no faiths)
UN (contracted out to companies in the field)
AVS Kenya
Flying Doctors Service
most of them pay salaries
AIRSERV (actually started by MAF folk who wanted to use skills of all and no faiths)
UN (contracted out to companies in the field)
AVS Kenya
Flying Doctors Service
most of them pay salaries
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I didn't think you were attacking christians or atheists (although I struggle with the political correctness of a lack of belief being a belief system, as you opine). I thought you were attempting to attack the argument that paying for an interview is not what would normally be associated with charity.
I am not at all touchy, just opinionated. In addition I happen to think you are wrong.
It's not nonsense: a particular type of person should be sought on the grounds of skill, maturity, intelligence, personality, insight etc. NOT on the grounds of religious discrimination, which, in my view, is hypocritical in a so called charitable society. It's not the same as BA or the forces. They don't care about my religion, or at least they shouldn't when it comes to deciding about my suitability for a job. Otherwise I am being discriminated against. MAF and their disciples are treading on a very fine line here with hobnailed boots.
Whether they choose to interview using specialist and expensive techniques or not is their own lookout, the candidate should not be expected to pay for an interview just so you can decide whether he is any good or not. Especially using the questionable grounds of religion. Apart from anything else it's just not very Christian! What has the type rating cost got to do with it? I'm still not paying for a bleeding interview with an organisation which advertises its pre ordained predilection to religious discrimination.
However you dress it up that's what's happening here. Fact is it's wrong.
Fair one, and a candidate could be chosen on the basis of such experience, not how many bibles has bashes on the sabbath.
You don't need to be religious or a Christian to fit in to a team, that's rubbish.
Next?
I didn't think you were attacking christians or atheists (although I struggle with the political correctness of a lack of belief being a belief system, as you opine). I thought you were attempting to attack the argument that paying for an interview is not what would normally be associated with charity.
I am not at all touchy, just opinionated. In addition I happen to think you are wrong.
To blame organisations like MAF as hypocrites just because they seek a particular type of person to suit a very specific job is nonsense! It is just the same when you go for a BA interview or join the Forces - "will you fit in?". That's part of the reason for psychometric testing in larger businesses today.
Neither do MAF ask you to pay for your C208 or PC21 type rating at any time. The NL test daythat MAF use is expensive - it's used by KLM and the Dutch military. Why should a registered charity pay for you to do the test? Especially if you don't believe in their modus operandii?
Neither do MAF ask you to pay for your C208 or PC21 type rating at any time. The NL test daythat MAF use is expensive - it's used by KLM and the Dutch military. Why should a registered charity pay for you to do the test? Especially if you don't believe in their modus operandii?
Whether they choose to interview using specialist and expensive techniques or not is their own lookout, the candidate should not be expected to pay for an interview just so you can decide whether he is any good or not. Especially using the questionable grounds of religion. Apart from anything else it's just not very Christian! What has the type rating cost got to do with it? I'm still not paying for a bleeding interview with an organisation which advertises its pre ordained predilection to religious discrimination.
However you dress it up that's what's happening here. Fact is it's wrong.
Before anyone attempts to judge others they should try to live in their shoes first. Anyone spent a week in Loki on the Kenyan/Sudanese border?
You don't need to be religious or a Christian to fit in to a team, that's rubbish.
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1. As far as I am aware, MAF do not charge for any interviews or open days.
2. The NL assessment is your choice and recommended by European airlines as well as a requirement for Durch Forces. MAF pay for half the cost of this expensive all day assessment. If you had an interview with KLM you'd pay to get there and arrange your own accomodation.
3. If a person's views are intrinsically opposed to the ethos of the team they will not fit in. So before spending any money read the requirements (same applies to ryan air or any other job).
4. Teamwork requires common goals and sacrifice (give and take not a literal lamb bbq!) and real co-operation. If your views are of paramount importance over and above the groups goals then their efforts will be seriously affected.
2. The NL assessment is your choice and recommended by European airlines as well as a requirement for Durch Forces. MAF pay for half the cost of this expensive all day assessment. If you had an interview with KLM you'd pay to get there and arrange your own accomodation.
3. If a person's views are intrinsically opposed to the ethos of the team they will not fit in. So before spending any money read the requirements (same applies to ryan air or any other job).
4. Teamwork requires common goals and sacrifice (give and take not a literal lamb bbq!) and real co-operation. If your views are of paramount importance over and above the groups goals then their efforts will be seriously affected.
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1. I did not know that, in which case, if accurate, fair enough.
2. Didn't know that either, but how much choice do you have when choosing to look for a job? If there's a flying job going and your experience is low you want to apply and improve that experience through professional flying. I shouldn't have to pay for this at all, however expensive your process is: you need pilots, there is a cost involved in finding them, how great a cost is up to you, candidates who put themselves forward and who may be unsuccessful should not have to pay for this lottery.
3. Agreed, but my religious beliefs are nothing to do with this, and are not in fact intrinsically opposed to yours, I just don't share your view this is not discrimination: it is.
4. Of course that's true, but nothing to do with my arguments here about MAF, plus the fact I am not a Christian believer does not at all indicate my views are of paramount importance, nor am I intrinsically opposed to Christians or their beliefs. I'm not actually a fan of religion full stop, but there again I don't want to work for MAF. Doesn't stop me commenting on their recruitment requirements however.
2. Didn't know that either, but how much choice do you have when choosing to look for a job? If there's a flying job going and your experience is low you want to apply and improve that experience through professional flying. I shouldn't have to pay for this at all, however expensive your process is: you need pilots, there is a cost involved in finding them, how great a cost is up to you, candidates who put themselves forward and who may be unsuccessful should not have to pay for this lottery.
3. Agreed, but my religious beliefs are nothing to do with this, and are not in fact intrinsically opposed to yours, I just don't share your view this is not discrimination: it is.
4. Of course that's true, but nothing to do with my arguments here about MAF, plus the fact I am not a Christian believer does not at all indicate my views are of paramount importance, nor am I intrinsically opposed to Christians or their beliefs. I'm not actually a fan of religion full stop, but there again I don't want to work for MAF. Doesn't stop me commenting on their recruitment requirements however.
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PC or not PC - that IS the question
Ah yes but where will all this political correctness end?
Atheist vicars?
MAF - Missionary (but not too much olde bean!) Agnostic Flyers?
Or how about:
Born Again Evangelical Christian fundamentalist to replace Keith Porteous Wood as Executive Director of the National Secular Society.
Well our mind set/belief system/nilism/faith shouldn't stop us doing the job eh?!!! After all it's not like you have to agree with the aims of the group. it's just mechanical, 9 to 5, thoughtless charity work really!
hee hee!
Atheist vicars?
MAF - Missionary (but not too much olde bean!) Agnostic Flyers?
Or how about:
Born Again Evangelical Christian fundamentalist to replace Keith Porteous Wood as Executive Director of the National Secular Society.
Well our mind set/belief system/nilism/faith shouldn't stop us doing the job eh?!!! After all it's not like you have to agree with the aims of the group. it's just mechanical, 9 to 5, thoughtless charity work really!
hee hee!
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I think we are in danger of straying off the subject. I am in no way suggesting it is 9 to 5 work. Or mechanical. Or boring.
The fact that I don't believe in your faith shouldn't sway my interview judgement, or rule me out of the job. A candidate could quite respect your religion, creed and faith without being of the same. He/she could also be a keen and supportive member of the team, believing in your valuable work, wanting to further your cause, in fact quite the opposite to your mechanical comments. But his own religion or the lack of it is irrelevant, should be confidential, and should not be a requirement of selection.
Anything else, I say again, is discrimination, and hypocritical of such an organisation.
Are you really saying a Christian or atheist is incapable of doing this job or that job on the grounds of his religion? If so WHY?
The fact that I don't believe in your faith shouldn't sway my interview judgement, or rule me out of the job. A candidate could quite respect your religion, creed and faith without being of the same. He/she could also be a keen and supportive member of the team, believing in your valuable work, wanting to further your cause, in fact quite the opposite to your mechanical comments. But his own religion or the lack of it is irrelevant, should be confidential, and should not be a requirement of selection.
Anything else, I say again, is discrimination, and hypocritical of such an organisation.
Are you really saying a Christian or atheist is incapable of doing this job or that job on the grounds of his religion? If so WHY?
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MAF & other culture-specific fly ops
Each to their own. Wouldn't suit me but I defend the right of MAF to recruit whom they like; their toys = their rules.
Incidentally, does anybody know of a similar Islamic flight ops charity/organisation? Mainly a case of interest, though I have a close friend (no, not me!) - a good pilot, who'd be perfect.
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Incidentally, does anybody know of a similar Islamic flight ops charity/organisation? Mainly a case of interest, though I have a close friend (no, not me!) - a good pilot, who'd be perfect.
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Quite right Mikehammer, why should you have to be Christian to partake in a Christian Mission when you are a pilot? They obviously don't realise that us pilots are better than the rest of the team making up the mission and therefore shouldn't be bound by the same requirements as everyone else!
As for making a contribution towards the cost of our evaluation and having to work to secure funds for some of our pay, well that is clearly unfair. Even if other members of the mission do work as volunteers...we are pilots after all!
Who knows where it will end......they may even say you need to be a Christian Priest as opposed to Jewish or Islamic to spread the word of Jesus at mass???
Sorry for the sarcasm, but seriously they are a Christian Mission looking for likeminded Christians to carry out a task. If you don't like the idea of helping a religion based aid organisation, just join one of the many others which are not based on a faith. Some of them are totally voluntary, some partially and some pay a good wage.....it all depends on your motives for doing it?!
They and many others do a great job, and I take my hat off to them!
As for making a contribution towards the cost of our evaluation and having to work to secure funds for some of our pay, well that is clearly unfair. Even if other members of the mission do work as volunteers...we are pilots after all!
Who knows where it will end......they may even say you need to be a Christian Priest as opposed to Jewish or Islamic to spread the word of Jesus at mass???
Sorry for the sarcasm, but seriously they are a Christian Mission looking for likeminded Christians to carry out a task. If you don't like the idea of helping a religion based aid organisation, just join one of the many others which are not based on a faith. Some of them are totally voluntary, some partially and some pay a good wage.....it all depends on your motives for doing it?!
They and many others do a great job, and I take my hat off to them!
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I'm sure they do do a great job, I'm not disputing that.
I don't like being ruled out on the grounds of my religion, and I already have a good job anyway, not even looking. I still don't like it. It feels wrong. It certainly doesn't seem like the attitude of a Christian.
Perhaps what you are saying is that in order to spread what you call God's word necessitates discriminating against people like me? Maybe you are right, maybe you have to have a one religion club based around a mission to convert people to Christ's way, not accept any other applicants, have strict religious criteria for applicants. Maybe you have to discriminate.
I just don't like it that's all.
I don't like being ruled out on the grounds of my religion, and I already have a good job anyway, not even looking. I still don't like it. It feels wrong. It certainly doesn't seem like the attitude of a Christian.
Perhaps what you are saying is that in order to spread what you call God's word necessitates discriminating against people like me? Maybe you are right, maybe you have to have a one religion club based around a mission to convert people to Christ's way, not accept any other applicants, have strict religious criteria for applicants. Maybe you have to discriminate.
I just don't like it that's all.
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Been there, done that...
This IS an interesting topic to trip over on my wanders through the wannabees forum! Because I've spent some time working with MAF in the field. Admittedly it was only on a sort of 'work experience' basis, since I was at Uni, and only have a PPL, but was with a view to broadening my flying horizons, and helping out where I could.
Yes as a matter of fact. I spent 5 weeks down in Nairobi, a bit in the hangar helping fix stuff and getting the odd flight. Then 10 days up north, living with an MAF family there, seeing what life was like, helping with odd jobs and even a couple of days in a Caravan and PC12 on runs up into Sudan. (This sort of short term placement I would reccomend as a good way forward for anyone that's thinking of serving with them long term.)
I'm coming at this as someone who is a commited follower of Christ (don't get me started on denominational nonsense, you either are or you aren't. Anyone that wants to discuss that further, please PM me. I would be more than happy to discuss it with you), I actually work for a church at the moment, who has a PPL, and is soon to start at FTE going for my ATPL.
The flying was amazing. If you don't believe me, try dodging huge CuNimbs with lightning hitting the ground all around you, then trying to land on what looks more like a lake than a strip, to refuel by hand and carry out a medevac and escape before the storms hits, all in 45deg heat. Intense stuff and no easy ride if you like many mod cons.
Even though the pilots aren't your typical 'missionaries', the whole purpose of the organisation is to spread God's love in it's fullest form. This means taking aid to where it's needed. Carrying out relief work, flying in doctors. AND enabling those who can teach God's message, by transporting them to where people are who haven't heard it yet! That is caring for the whole person. Of course you are entiteled to believe otherwise, but that is the grounds on which MAF is founded, and hence funded. As angelorange says, there are other organisations that are purely humanitarian (which MAF actually often share loads/ferry pilots with as well). You're working with other Christians, to achieve a Christian goal, and if there is hostility eveident in people's posts to this, they should question whether this environment would really suit them!
If you are serious about flying for them (and it's well worth it), then think long and hard about it. You have to have a lot of experience in the right areas (see elsewhere for details), to raise significant support from family, friends and church. You end up with not much more than your living expenses. You are going to spend a considerable amount of time in some really tough areas (though this varies, and in my opinion, they are some of the best places in the world), probably away from your old friends and family, and your faith, and flying skills WILL be tested. If you can handle all that, and feel a strong call on your life to look into it.... then go think and pray some more!
THEN if you are still up for it, I'm sure you wouldn't mind forking out a couple of hundred pounds to match what a charitable organisation is stretching to give you as well. (In my small time with them, they helped with a bursary for travel costs etc as well. They really do their best for you!) It's not the same as Ryanair, cos not everyone should give it shot. If you get to a medical evaluation stage, you should have done an awful lot more before you get there.
Thanks for hearing me out
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Anyone spent a week in Loki on the Kenyan/Sudanese border?
I'm coming at this as someone who is a commited follower of Christ (don't get me started on denominational nonsense, you either are or you aren't. Anyone that wants to discuss that further, please PM me. I would be more than happy to discuss it with you), I actually work for a church at the moment, who has a PPL, and is soon to start at FTE going for my ATPL.
The flying was amazing. If you don't believe me, try dodging huge CuNimbs with lightning hitting the ground all around you, then trying to land on what looks more like a lake than a strip, to refuel by hand and carry out a medevac and escape before the storms hits, all in 45deg heat. Intense stuff and no easy ride if you like many mod cons.
Even though the pilots aren't your typical 'missionaries', the whole purpose of the organisation is to spread God's love in it's fullest form. This means taking aid to where it's needed. Carrying out relief work, flying in doctors. AND enabling those who can teach God's message, by transporting them to where people are who haven't heard it yet! That is caring for the whole person. Of course you are entiteled to believe otherwise, but that is the grounds on which MAF is founded, and hence funded. As angelorange says, there are other organisations that are purely humanitarian (which MAF actually often share loads/ferry pilots with as well). You're working with other Christians, to achieve a Christian goal, and if there is hostility eveident in people's posts to this, they should question whether this environment would really suit them!
If you are serious about flying for them (and it's well worth it), then think long and hard about it. You have to have a lot of experience in the right areas (see elsewhere for details), to raise significant support from family, friends and church. You end up with not much more than your living expenses. You are going to spend a considerable amount of time in some really tough areas (though this varies, and in my opinion, they are some of the best places in the world), probably away from your old friends and family, and your faith, and flying skills WILL be tested. If you can handle all that, and feel a strong call on your life to look into it.... then go think and pray some more!
THEN if you are still up for it, I'm sure you wouldn't mind forking out a couple of hundred pounds to match what a charitable organisation is stretching to give you as well. (In my small time with them, they helped with a bursary for travel costs etc as well. They really do their best for you!) It's not the same as Ryanair, cos not everyone should give it shot. If you get to a medical evaluation stage, you should have done an awful lot more before you get there.
Thanks for hearing me out
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MAF are entitled to select whosoever they like. They neither employ their pilots, nor are those who fly for them paying for a service, so there is no issue of 'rights', 'discrimination' or any other unfairness. It is a community of like-minded people doing their best to help others in a way that makes them feel good, and good luck to them. After all, MikeHammer, would you suggest it's unreasonable for a Golf Club to expect its members to play and like golf? That is the kind of argument you are espousing.
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No but I wouldn't expect the fact that I am not a member of your golf club to rule me out of a job with your company.
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Mike, you don't get it do you? If you came to my company and told me you wanted to work for us, but you actually didn't believe in Virgin's methods or values and preferred BA's, you wouldn't get the job. No ifs or buts, you'd be out on the street - probably with an earful about wasting our time!
The same is true at MAF. You can't go busting in saying 'I don't believe in your religion, motives or methods, but I want to fly your planes and I'll shout till I'm blue in the face if you won't let me'. They, quite rightly, would laugh you out of the door - though they'd probably be more polite about it than me.
You don't qualify. Get over it.
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The same is true at MAF. You can't go busting in saying 'I don't believe in your religion, motives or methods, but I want to fly your planes and I'll shout till I'm blue in the face if you won't let me'. They, quite rightly, would laugh you out of the door - though they'd probably be more polite about it than me.
You don't qualify. Get over it.
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There's also the question of whether having to raise about £20k p/a in support as opposed to the normal practice of recieving money from your 'employers' can be really be called a job!
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No scroggs, you don't get it. You were being glib so I decided to be so also.
I am not saying I am against the principals of Christianity (Or virginity, or golf for that matter). Of course if I was looking for a job from you (I'm not) I could demonstrate the thinking you require here, as well as the keeness, the skills, the experience (I would lie about the golf as it's not important), but it's got nothing to do with my religion. I just don't expect to be chosen apart as I am not a member of your club. I think that's discrimination, but as this apparently is not really a job, and this is apparently not really discriminating, I don't suppose it matters.
I think it's discriminating, and I think you are wrong. Get over it.
I am not saying I am against the principals of Christianity (Or virginity, or golf for that matter). Of course if I was looking for a job from you (I'm not) I could demonstrate the thinking you require here, as well as the keeness, the skills, the experience (I would lie about the golf as it's not important), but it's got nothing to do with my religion. I just don't expect to be chosen apart as I am not a member of your club. I think that's discrimination, but as this apparently is not really a job, and this is apparently not really discriminating, I don't suppose it matters.
I think it's discriminating, and I think you are wrong. Get over it.