Criminal Conviction A Problem?
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"Cautions are flagged on the Disclosure".
this is off the BA site.
- PLEASE NOTE: Cautions, reprimands and final warnings are not considered to be criminal convictions and so are not covered by the Rehabilitation of Offenders Act. Cautions, reprimands and final warnings become 'spent' immediately.
this is off the BA site.
- PLEASE NOTE: Cautions, reprimands and final warnings are not considered to be criminal convictions and so are not covered by the Rehabilitation of Offenders Act. Cautions, reprimands and final warnings become 'spent' immediately.
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drink driving
hello all. after talking to my instructer about my situation he recommended i try asking here as well so here goes...
i have read 100% of this thread and still havent found a definitave answer to my question and situation, i would really apreciate it if somone could take the time out to read my post.
i am 27 years old and have just started my ppl training aspiring to become an airline pilot. unfortunatly i got pulled over in my car 2 months ago and failed the roadside breath test. went to the police station and blew 2 tests.. 1 was 3 over the limit and 1 was 3 under. the police couldnt charge me with those results and it went to a blood test. according to my lawyer i should have been released on those results but the police opted to go for blood. the results turned out to be 86. the limit is 80. basicaly right down the line. what annoyed me is that i only had 1 drink and thought i was well under the limit. i havent gone to court yet but my lawyer is obviously going to get try and get me cautioned as the results are so boarderline.
assuming i do get convicted. i am obviously very concerned about my chances of getting a job. im expecting it to be harder of cause but if there is still a chance i can get work with this on my record im going to continue my training. im aiming to get my ATPL when i hit 30/31 and start looking for a job.
so my question at the end of the day is...
will it still be possible for me to get a job as an airline pilot with this as a past conviction?
thx alot for reading
i have read 100% of this thread and still havent found a definitave answer to my question and situation, i would really apreciate it if somone could take the time out to read my post.
i am 27 years old and have just started my ppl training aspiring to become an airline pilot. unfortunatly i got pulled over in my car 2 months ago and failed the roadside breath test. went to the police station and blew 2 tests.. 1 was 3 over the limit and 1 was 3 under. the police couldnt charge me with those results and it went to a blood test. according to my lawyer i should have been released on those results but the police opted to go for blood. the results turned out to be 86. the limit is 80. basicaly right down the line. what annoyed me is that i only had 1 drink and thought i was well under the limit. i havent gone to court yet but my lawyer is obviously going to get try and get me cautioned as the results are so boarderline.
assuming i do get convicted. i am obviously very concerned about my chances of getting a job. im expecting it to be harder of cause but if there is still a chance i can get work with this on my record im going to continue my training. im aiming to get my ATPL when i hit 30/31 and start looking for a job.
so my question at the end of the day is...
will it still be possible for me to get a job as an airline pilot with this as a past conviction?
thx alot for reading
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I'm not sure how the airlines consider drink drive offences, but the conviction is spent after 5 years anyway with regards to employment, even though it remains on your driving licence for 11 years. So you'll be 32 at is expiry -not far off your target for empoyment.
On another issue I don't think you have quite understood the circumstances of your tests, as in the conditions you describe you could not have been charged and neither could blood tests have been taken.
The limit for breath tests is 35 microgrammes of alcohol per 100 millilitres of breath, however to allow for errors in accuracy of the test you are actually allowed to show 39 microgrammes of alcohol per 100 millilitres of breath. If you blow between 40 and 50 you are given the option to have a blood or urine test. The decision for which test is done is the cops. This is then analysed by a lab and any charges are based on those results. From what you say it sounds like you blew 3 under and 3 over the 49 limit - which puts you in a not very good position.
They can't caution you for it either, its an obligitory charge.
However, as in my earlier comment I would not worry yourself too much, by the time you are considering employment the conviction is spent.
Good luck.
On another issue I don't think you have quite understood the circumstances of your tests, as in the conditions you describe you could not have been charged and neither could blood tests have been taken.
The limit for breath tests is 35 microgrammes of alcohol per 100 millilitres of breath, however to allow for errors in accuracy of the test you are actually allowed to show 39 microgrammes of alcohol per 100 millilitres of breath. If you blow between 40 and 50 you are given the option to have a blood or urine test. The decision for which test is done is the cops. This is then analysed by a lab and any charges are based on those results. From what you say it sounds like you blew 3 under and 3 over the 49 limit - which puts you in a not very good position.
They can't caution you for it either, its an obligitory charge.
However, as in my earlier comment I would not worry yourself too much, by the time you are considering employment the conviction is spent.
Good luck.
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thankyou for the reply. i was thinking 32 wouldnt be the end of the world to start seeking employment. i might take my time with the training.
quickly about the police resutls. the exact results i blew were 43 and 37. 40 being the level the police prosecute on. the police have to take the lowest reading (37) and therefore i should have been released. those results are very very low in the grand scheme of things.. i was just very unlucky.
quickly about the police resutls. the exact results i blew were 43 and 37. 40 being the level the police prosecute on. the police have to take the lowest reading (37) and therefore i should have been released. those results are very very low in the grand scheme of things.. i was just very unlucky.
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Criminal Convictions
If you have been found guilty of 'drink driving' within the last five years or any other conviction, they will be stated on the basic disclosure. After five years, they will become spent and will not appear on a basic disclosure. You have been successfully been 'rehabilitated'.
However, and I have stated this before, there is no guarantee that new and existing airlines, won't require an enhanced disclosure for future applicants and existing pilots.
Enhanced disclosures will show - spent/unspent convictions, cautions, bind-overs and any pending charge/s.
If you fail to disclose any spent/unspent convictions, cautions, bind-overs and any pending charge/s you may be removed, of your duties immediately.
Honesty is the best policy.
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However, and I have stated this before, there is no guarantee that new and existing airlines, won't require an enhanced disclosure for future applicants and existing pilots.
Enhanced disclosures will show - spent/unspent convictions, cautions, bind-overs and any pending charge/s.
If you fail to disclose any spent/unspent convictions, cautions, bind-overs and any pending charge/s you may be removed, of your duties immediately.
Honesty is the best policy.
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i saw on basic disclousere scotland that if you have an unspent conviction you can apply for a letter of disregard,that the conviction should be regarded as spent. Will this be shown to the employer or only to me,if i you get the letter of disregerd
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My arse honesty is the best policy , the best policy is getting yourself a job and drawing money back from the thousands we've spent training. If you get caught out 6 months into your job for having a conviction you didn't declare and get sacked well fair do's but you will have x amount of hours on a type and had a paypacket. A lot more than if you declared a stupid bang up from 10yrs ago thats classed as spent but not in the eyes of an enhanced enclosure. You'll be more employable with those hours on type.... Expaining why you left an airline in such a short space of time may be a problem but the pro's will still outway the cons........And who's to say you'll get caught and would they sack you anyway?????
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Muffan, if your employer requires an enhanced certificate, they should be registered with the CRB. You will be given a form to fill in and return. Once all of the checks have been performed, a certificate will be sent to you and your employer. With reference to your other concern regarding unspent convictions; these will show up on basic and enhanced disclosures if you were convicted less than five years ago. Any convictions over 5 years will not show on a basic but will continue to be shown on enhanced disclosures.
Blue, I can see your point with regards to spending lots of money on training in order to achieve your dream; just like the thousands of other pilots throughout the world..... However, if your current employer requests for you to apply for a enhanced disclosure and somethings were to materialise on the enhanced certificate, which you didn't disclose on your application form, they are quite within their right to dismiss you, even after 6 years, nevermind 6 months! What would you do then? The Aviation industry, just like many other industries, is a very, very small world. I would rather people be honest than lie on an application form or in an interview.
Currently, the aviation industry requires only a basic disclosure but there is no guarantee that this will remain the case in future years (they may require an enhanced disclosure), in light of the current events going on in the world.
Blue, I can see your point with regards to spending lots of money on training in order to achieve your dream; just like the thousands of other pilots throughout the world..... However, if your current employer requests for you to apply for a enhanced disclosure and somethings were to materialise on the enhanced certificate, which you didn't disclose on your application form, they are quite within their right to dismiss you, even after 6 years, nevermind 6 months! What would you do then? The Aviation industry, just like many other industries, is a very, very small world. I would rather people be honest than lie on an application form or in an interview.
Currently, the aviation industry requires only a basic disclosure but there is no guarantee that this will remain the case in future years (they may require an enhanced disclosure), in light of the current events going on in the world.
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Drink Driving Offences
Hello,
I'm due to commence Integrated Frozen ATPL Training but have an old Drink Driving Conviction. I've cleared this with the CAA but wondered if anyone had any experience with how this may affect Employement?
Any comments appreciated.
I'm due to commence Integrated Frozen ATPL Training but have an old Drink Driving Conviction. I've cleared this with the CAA but wondered if anyone had any experience with how this may affect Employement?
Any comments appreciated.
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I'm sure they will throw a party for you and welcome you with a pint. Can't make a decision whether drink driving is right or wrong and now you want to fly!.
A safe training bet for any airline.
A safe training bet for any airline.
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Thanks for jumping in there with a massive judgement. I know its wrong and their are mitigating Circumstances. I've always wanted to fly and am already a PPL(H) holder.
In any event I was looking for someone with possible experience of this.
In any event I was looking for someone with possible experience of this.
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Don't take this personally mate, but what mitigating circumstances can there be for drink driving? This shows a lack of judgement and that you are prepared to put other peoples lives at risk, can an airline afford to take that risk with a 100 odd people sitting behind you??
That said, who's to say that people can't learn from their mistakes and become better people in the end?
That said, who's to say that people can't learn from their mistakes and become better people in the end?
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I'll answer your Q without getting on some soapbox like some feel they have to here.
I know 2 guys in my previous company who both had DD convictions.
From their experience I'd say one didn't get a job as he was asked about it at interview.
That said, they're both in jet jobs now, so I'd say if they don't ask, don't tell.
I know 2 guys in my previous company who both had DD convictions.
From their experience I'd say one didn't get a job as he was asked about it at interview.
That said, they're both in jet jobs now, so I'd say if they don't ask, don't tell.