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Wheelbarrow,
Carry on being the arrogant twit you obviously are. Your above list is testament to that. Continue telling everyone how good you are if it makes you feel better.
I rather think you worked for peanuts for a period of time to pay CTC. True ?
I'm not a CTC hater - far from it. Wouldn't be my choice thats all for the reasons given previously.
Carry on being the arrogant twit you obviously are. Your above list is testament to that. Continue telling everyone how good you are if it makes you feel better.
I rather think you worked for peanuts for a period of time to pay CTC. True ?
I'm not a CTC hater - far from it. Wouldn't be my choice thats all for the reasons given previously.
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Orionman,
Arrogant? Reread the original posts by others that I got involved for.
As for arrogant? Well, maybe, but I am not talking about how good I am. I am talking about how good CTC are.
That is the point of the thread.
Arrogant? Reread the original posts by others that I got involved for.
As for arrogant? Well, maybe, but I am not talking about how good I am. I am talking about how good CTC are.
That is the point of the thread.
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To all of you active on this thread: stop the personal insults and attacks. Discuss your subject without resort to such childish behaviour - or I will have to take your toys away.
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Apologies Scroggs for my part.
Good luck to those who use CTC and those who elect not to. CTC will make mistakes not taking on good guys and hiring twits. But that can be said of all airlines. You will find that out for yourselves without having to read threads like these !
Regards Orion Man
Good luck to those who use CTC and those who elect not to. CTC will make mistakes not taking on good guys and hiring twits. But that can be said of all airlines. You will find that out for yourselves without having to read threads like these !
Regards Orion Man
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on the issue of ctc being a deal or a rip off...
if someone is going to pay for all my training and give me a job in an industry where qualified pilots are struggling to get work...hell yes i'll take it thank you very much.
so good on ya all those that have got thru it, and those that haven't get over it and continue with your dream...and if it's not, maybe you should be on another forum.
my glass is half full.
if someone is going to pay for all my training and give me a job in an industry where qualified pilots are struggling to get work...hell yes i'll take it thank you very much.
so good on ya all those that have got thru it, and those that haven't get over it and continue with your dream...and if it's not, maybe you should be on another forum.
my glass is half full.
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Snowkiwi,
When an airline takes you on directly, you are normally paid your salary while training. With the CTC deal, you put up a sum of money which is repaid to you over several months "in lieu" of a salary. Hence you are working for free and there is no guarantee of a job offer at the end of this period. Can I put it to you that the "someone" who is paying for your training is you.
As I said before, most airlines try to recoup training costs in some way or another. You may have to pay for your type rating up front or have it deducted from your salary over a period of time (as at British Airways). My main criticism of CTC is that you are not guaranteed an employment contract at the end of the six months and the salary you would have earned during the period effectively goes to some fat cats doing some moonlighting.
When an airline takes you on directly, you are normally paid your salary while training. With the CTC deal, you put up a sum of money which is repaid to you over several months "in lieu" of a salary. Hence you are working for free and there is no guarantee of a job offer at the end of this period. Can I put it to you that the "someone" who is paying for your training is you.
As I said before, most airlines try to recoup training costs in some way or another. You may have to pay for your type rating up front or have it deducted from your salary over a period of time (as at British Airways). My main criticism of CTC is that you are not guaranteed an employment contract at the end of the six months and the salary you would have earned during the period effectively goes to some fat cats doing some moonlighting.
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Orion Man,
You seem to be very against the CTC scheme! You talk an awful lot about arrogance in your past posts. Unfortunately, you sound equally, if not more arrogant than the people you are sl***ing off.
So, if you were given a choice to be taken onto a reputable scheme such as CTC's sponsorship, to stand a high, if not definite chance of getting a job at the end of training, and given a huge loan just like that, you would complain and refuse?
Granted, it may not be a 100% complete sponsorship scheme, but if it greatly increases your chances of getting a job, and being put through excellent flight training, then I think the majority of appreciative people would take it. Unfortunately, you are the minority.
You seem to be very against the CTC scheme! You talk an awful lot about arrogance in your past posts. Unfortunately, you sound equally, if not more arrogant than the people you are sl***ing off.
So, if you were given a choice to be taken onto a reputable scheme such as CTC's sponsorship, to stand a high, if not definite chance of getting a job at the end of training, and given a huge loan just like that, you would complain and refuse?
Granted, it may not be a 100% complete sponsorship scheme, but if it greatly increases your chances of getting a job, and being put through excellent flight training, then I think the majority of appreciative people would take it. Unfortunately, you are the minority.
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Congratulations flyonwall on your first post. You sound vaguely familiar. Glad to see you have got your own personal handle.
Thats the beauty of democracy. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. I think you'll find i'm not the minority. Read the other threads regarding the merits/demerits of CTC. If arrogance is disagreeing with one particular individual on here then they should re-write the dictionary. I have said that CTC would be my last choice of getting into an airline for the reasons previously given. Thats my opinion which I am entitled to.
Regards Orion Man
Thats the beauty of democracy. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. I think you'll find i'm not the minority. Read the other threads regarding the merits/demerits of CTC. If arrogance is disagreeing with one particular individual on here then they should re-write the dictionary. I have said that CTC would be my last choice of getting into an airline for the reasons previously given. Thats my opinion which I am entitled to.
Regards Orion Man
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Orionman
No. I am still using this handle and that post before was not by me.
Why don't you just pack your bag, and stay out of things?
These guys are wannabees. They don't have a fat package like you, so just butt out and leave them alone.
CTC is just fine. Loads agree, you don't. Obviously.
The fact that Clarke, Billett, Pennington et al turned you down for a training job is clear for us to see.
Or perhaps they chopped you on a command course?
Go away!
No. I am still using this handle and that post before was not by me.
Why don't you just pack your bag, and stay out of things?
These guys are wannabees. They don't have a fat package like you, so just butt out and leave them alone.
CTC is just fine. Loads agree, you don't. Obviously.
The fact that Clarke, Billett, Pennington et al turned you down for a training job is clear for us to see.
Or perhaps they chopped you on a command course?
Go away!
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Whatever Wheelbarrow or is it Tailscrape ? You seem to attract controversy wherever you go.
If you can't handle those who disagree with you, then stay away yourself. A whole load of MyTravel employees would probably like to see the back of you and your arrogant & hate-filled posts. I've just put you on my "ignore" list so don't waste your time.
If you can't handle those who disagree with you, then stay away yourself. A whole load of MyTravel employees would probably like to see the back of you and your arrogant & hate-filled posts. I've just put you on my "ignore" list so don't waste your time.
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Orion man,
Arrogant and hated little posts?? To direct such a comment toward wheelbarrow, i think you should take a good look at your past posts, as nearly all of them are arrogant and hateful.
I think it is obvious that you are boring people with your comments about CTC. I agree that everyone is entitled to their opinion, but it seems you are the only one with it. Boring.
Arrogant and hated little posts?? To direct such a comment toward wheelbarrow, i think you should take a good look at your past posts, as nearly all of them are arrogant and hateful.
I think it is obvious that you are boring people with your comments about CTC. I agree that everyone is entitled to their opinion, but it seems you are the only one with it. Boring.
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Flyonwall,
Good luck if you chose CTC. You and wheelbarrow appear to be the same person to me judged by your grammar mistakes and the fact you have just appeared.
Good luck if you chose CTC. You and wheelbarrow appear to be the same person to me judged by your grammar mistakes and the fact you have just appeared.
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Thanks for th luck Orion Man. I did, and I have an excellent airline career in front of me thanks to CTC. You seem to believe you have a great knowledge of the CTC scheme, but I can assure you, from reading your past posts, you dont.
You are posting notes on a forum, where the majority of the people (obviously excluding you) would give the world to get onto a scheme such as CTC\'s, not to mention the people actually on the course who you have insulted in your past posts. Yes you are entitled to your opinion, but think about who may be reading it.
You are posting notes on a forum, where the majority of the people (obviously excluding you) would give the world to get onto a scheme such as CTC\'s, not to mention the people actually on the course who you have insulted in your past posts. Yes you are entitled to your opinion, but think about who may be reading it.
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Like most things Orion Man, you are incorrect once again. Myself and Wheelbarrow are not the same person, and the point in creating 2 names would be??
This is a chat forum Orion Man, I was under no impression that it was an English lesson. So please, give up the grammar lecture.
This is a chat forum Orion Man, I was under no impression that it was an English lesson. So please, give up the grammar lecture.
