Cathay DEFO
Its true.. many more are interested in CX jobs. Just hope that the task force will take charge of the recruitment and accept ALL. those who didnt make it will keep applying after "cooling" period. eventually they all will be accepted.
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What would happen that if after one was offered a job, the said pilot attempted to negotiate their contract?? Say go to an FO3 pay or ask that they be paid the 2017 rates etc?
If they're short of pilots and you do a good job in the sim (Prior preparation prevents piss poor performance), you meet the requirements (3000 hours min ain't exactly nothing), if you have what they're looking for, and pilot attrition is an issue, why couldn't you ask for a better deal?
I get it, they're Chinese tyrants now, but just an idea, rather than accept what is seemingly a crap sandwich. What if you said you had offers from other airlines? I mean, look at the Australian company Network Aviation, standing up for what a pilot is worth?
I get it, they're Chinese tyrants now, but just an idea, rather than accept what is seemingly a crap sandwich. What if you said you had offers from other airlines? I mean, look at the Australian company Network Aviation, standing up for what a pilot is worth?
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If they're short of pilots and you do a good job in the sim (Prior preparation prevents piss poor performance), you meet the requirements (3000 hours min ain't exactly nothing), if you have what they're looking for, and pilot attrition is an issue, why couldn't you ask for a better deal?
I get it, they're Chinese tyrants now, but just an idea, rather than accept what is seemingly a crap sandwich. What if you said you had offers from other airlines? I mean, look at the Australian company Network Aviation, standing up for what a pilot is worth?
I get it, they're Chinese tyrants now, but just an idea, rather than accept what is seemingly a crap sandwich. What if you said you had offers from other airlines? I mean, look at the Australian company Network Aviation, standing up for what a pilot is worth?
The point here is this is not a contract, unlike your fellow pilots at Network who are trying to improve a contract.
CX employ pilots under a handbook, try and find a definition of that and what protections it affords you ( HINT: look inside the document and its only there you will find it)
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If they're short of pilots and you do a good job in the sim (Prior preparation prevents piss poor performance), you meet the requirements (3000 hours min ain't exactly nothing), if you have what they're looking for, and pilot attrition is an issue, why couldn't you ask for a better deal?
I get it, they're Chinese tyrants now, but just an idea, rather than accept what is seemingly a crap sandwich. What if you said you had offers from other airlines? I mean, look at the Australian company Network Aviation, standing up for what a pilot is worth?
I get it, they're Chinese tyrants now, but just an idea, rather than accept what is seemingly a crap sandwich. What if you said you had offers from other airlines? I mean, look at the Australian company Network Aviation, standing up for what a pilot is worth?
These are crew whom CX has had for years, they know the standard and have sailed through all the old CX requirements and they are walking out the door, yet nothing is being done to stop it.
Good luck on getting your magical FO3, when all the old SFOs were demoted back to FO2 (the top one that exists)
It's no secret that absolutely once upon a time Cathay was a world leader but now, with the way that COS18 was forced on people- pilots took action with their feet and left. Cathay certainly have a feeling of desperation to get pilots. And have tarnished what was a pretty glittering reputation as a an attractive company to build a career at.
I do have a feeling though, that especially amongst SO's that join they are very much chasing,"Yes" men and women as opposed to professionals who perhaps know their worth and also lack the shiny jet syndrome.
Can anyone who is a bit clever give some form of breakdown in what salaries where pre Covid in comparison to now?
I don't mean with percentages, but dollars, and then obviously there is inflation to be annually added.
Also, how does the base Salary @ HKD$900,000 stack up against living a life in Hong Kong?
I do have a feeling though, that especially amongst SO's that join they are very much chasing,"Yes" men and women as opposed to professionals who perhaps know their worth and also lack the shiny jet syndrome.
Can anyone who is a bit clever give some form of breakdown in what salaries where pre Covid in comparison to now?
I don't mean with percentages, but dollars, and then obviously there is inflation to be annually added.
Also, how does the base Salary @ HKD$900,000 stack up against living a life in Hong Kong?
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Hi everyone, I have applied for DEFO, completed the DAC form, and had the first online interview. Afterward, I received an email with the medical form and a request for my latest training records, also done. Could someone tell me what to expect in the interview in Hong Kong and in the simulator? Thanks a lot!!!!! 
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Sim was an engine failure at v rotate, followed by all fmcs failing at 5000, way back fire in avionics , goes out on runway . Massive tailwind on final airport lighting was really poor in sim with bad weather
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Hi does anyone know how strict CX are on minimum hour requirements, I’ve noticed they’ve just changed and although I’ve got the 500 hours on a heavy jet, I’m lacking the total flying time by a few hundred hours, in addition to the P1 requirements…
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Heya,
Anyone have done the CX DEFO assessment in 2024. Would you shed some light on the process.....
(1) Is sim assessment on airbus or boeing. Talent Acquisition Officer said: sim briefing would be available 1 week before the check. so I reckon it would be 330 or 777 ( whichever sim is available on the day). hopefully not on both.....!
(2) For HR & tech interview. any specific topic they would like to ask ? ...... eg destination, fleets, new A/C orders, why CX, why HK..... current type ( boeing guys would get HYD system A and B, airbus guys would get fly by wire, control laws...etc)
(3) In the past, people was told which fleets they would get before the assessment. The new application process is different, not as much info was given as in the past....anyone could get anything (320 or 350 or 777 or 747)? Whats the time frames for a possible start date after passing the assessments.....?
Anyone have done the CX DEFO assessment in 2024. Would you shed some light on the process.....
(1) Is sim assessment on airbus or boeing. Talent Acquisition Officer said: sim briefing would be available 1 week before the check. so I reckon it would be 330 or 777 ( whichever sim is available on the day). hopefully not on both.....!
(2) For HR & tech interview. any specific topic they would like to ask ? ...... eg destination, fleets, new A/C orders, why CX, why HK..... current type ( boeing guys would get HYD system A and B, airbus guys would get fly by wire, control laws...etc)
(3) In the past, people was told which fleets they would get before the assessment. The new application process is different, not as much info was given as in the past....anyone could get anything (320 or 350 or 777 or 747)? Whats the time frames for a possible start date after passing the assessments.....?
Sim sweat party
And all that flying in rsw data with not even options to use HDG,ALT, and any big or guidance mode? Do tell more...sounds like a flight from hell!! 🤯
Day 1: SIM assessment. They share the sim profile via email a week prior arrival into HK. A/C B777. Profile is Takeoff from Hongkong R25L, clean up, acceleration to 280kts. Turns with 30 degree bank. Steep turns(45 degree). Then examiner asked me which direction is the airport at. Speed reduction to 220kts and usage of speedbrakes. Then radar vectors ILS 07R. GA at 200 FT (minimums). Clean up and acceleration to 250kts. Fire eng L. Examiner tried to cut the live engine to check if I am cross checking his actions. SE ILS 07R to a full stop landing.
Some info about the sim. No AP, A/T, FD. MCP is frozen i.e only reference speeds such as V2, Vapp is set. HDG bug is only set for Take off and Landing. ALT window frozen at 10000ft. No thrust asymmetry compensation. Examiner is the pilot monitoring. He is passive. Gear up, clean up calls are all on you.
Results come in 30 mins. After that you go for your medical check, drug test (urine&hair).
Day 2: ICAO English test which is pretty easy provided that you are good with English and radio communications. It's a self paid test and costs about 2200 HKD. Then interview with one HR and pilot.
Here are a few Qs I prepped with:HR questions.
Self intro.
Tell us about CX.
Why choose CX
What are the challenges you face if you join CX.
What does Teamwork mean to u.
Where do u see urself in 5 years.
How would ur colleagues describe u.
How would ur friend describe u.
Do u think u will stay in HKG for long term.
What Boeing aircraft CX operate, and what type of 747 cx has.
Did I apply any other airline? Did I consider AHK?
Technical
Walking to Aircraft, typhoon coming in, what is ur considerations?
If airport red light warning, can u pushback?
Windshear considerations for take off (he asked abt flaps for take-off during windsear).
Windshear before V1, after V1 before VR and after VR.
If windshear is inhibited during take off roll, how to tell if ure in a shear.
If u were to reject during take off roll for windshear, how would u do it.
How do you know it is last 900m / 300m of the runway. (The center line lights colour)
What system to detect predictive and reactive (plus when the inhibits happen)
Windshear. If no moisture in air, can u still detect winshear.
After reject due to windshear, what r ur considerations for another take off?
What are the considerations when flying HKG-LAX in comparison to HKG-PVG flights. (I talked abt ETOPS)
Engine failure in cruise, in the middle of the pacific how you handle?
Any flight incident?
Any conflict with colleagues?
Asked about my command situation with hka.
Do I know abt the command situation in CX.
FUEL COMSUMP
30/40/50 RULE
Read IPAD
Limitations
TCAS
GPWS EGPWS
FLIGHT CONTROLS
What kind of 777 we have
B777-300ER and
B7777-300 (RR engines) non ER
What kind of 747 we have
B747-400F (no BCF) and 747-8T
747-8F
Must know:
-Cathay history, values, routes, destinations, airplanes
-Also important know about HKG, where are you planning to live, why HKG, how will manage the distance from you family.
- a time you used your skills or CRM to improve flight safety
- know about your airplane
- ETOPS, LVO, Windshear, ice operations.
After that, licence/logbook check.
All the best!
Some info about the sim. No AP, A/T, FD. MCP is frozen i.e only reference speeds such as V2, Vapp is set. HDG bug is only set for Take off and Landing. ALT window frozen at 10000ft. No thrust asymmetry compensation. Examiner is the pilot monitoring. He is passive. Gear up, clean up calls are all on you.
Results come in 30 mins. After that you go for your medical check, drug test (urine&hair).
Day 2: ICAO English test which is pretty easy provided that you are good with English and radio communications. It's a self paid test and costs about 2200 HKD. Then interview with one HR and pilot.
Here are a few Qs I prepped with:HR questions.
Self intro.
Tell us about CX.
Why choose CX
What are the challenges you face if you join CX.
What does Teamwork mean to u.
Where do u see urself in 5 years.
How would ur colleagues describe u.
How would ur friend describe u.
Do u think u will stay in HKG for long term.
What Boeing aircraft CX operate, and what type of 747 cx has.
Did I apply any other airline? Did I consider AHK?
Technical
Walking to Aircraft, typhoon coming in, what is ur considerations?
If airport red light warning, can u pushback?
Windshear considerations for take off (he asked abt flaps for take-off during windsear).
Windshear before V1, after V1 before VR and after VR.
If windshear is inhibited during take off roll, how to tell if ure in a shear.
If u were to reject during take off roll for windshear, how would u do it.
How do you know it is last 900m / 300m of the runway. (The center line lights colour)
What system to detect predictive and reactive (plus when the inhibits happen)
Windshear. If no moisture in air, can u still detect winshear.
After reject due to windshear, what r ur considerations for another take off?
What are the considerations when flying HKG-LAX in comparison to HKG-PVG flights. (I talked abt ETOPS)
Engine failure in cruise, in the middle of the pacific how you handle?
Any flight incident?
Any conflict with colleagues?
Asked about my command situation with hka.
Do I know abt the command situation in CX.
FUEL COMSUMP
30/40/50 RULE
Read IPAD
Limitations
TCAS
GPWS EGPWS
FLIGHT CONTROLS
What kind of 777 we have
B777-300ER and
B7777-300 (RR engines) non ER
What kind of 747 we have
B747-400F (no BCF) and 747-8T
747-8F
Must know:
-Cathay history, values, routes, destinations, airplanes
-Also important know about HKG, where are you planning to live, why HKG, how will manage the distance from you family.
- a time you used your skills or CRM to improve flight safety
- know about your airplane
- ETOPS, LVO, Windshear, ice operations.
After that, licence/logbook check.
All the best!
My favourite question !
B7777-300 (RR engines) Model shown.
”what type of engines ?”
”RR”
”how do you know?”
”No idea but there is a RR sticker on the nacelles”.
I think that’s how I got the job !
B7777-300 (RR engines) Model shown.
”what type of engines ?”
”RR”
”how do you know?”
”No idea but there is a RR sticker on the nacelles”.
I think that’s how I got the job !
Last edited by Zi Peng; 23rd Jun 2024 at 05:28.
Sim and Tech interview
Day 1: SIM assessment. They share the sim profile via email a week prior arrival into HK. A/C B777. Profile is Takeoff from Hongkong R25L, clean up, acceleration to 280kts. Turns with 30 degree bank. Steep turns(45 degree). Then examiner asked me which direction is the airport at. Speed reduction to 220kts and usage of speedbrakes. Then radar vectors ILS 07R. GA at 200 FT (minimums). Clean up and acceleration to 250kts. Fire eng L. Examiner tried to cut the live engine to check if I am cross checking his actions. SE ILS 07R to a full stop landing.
Some info about the sim. No AP, A/T, FD. MCP is frozen i.e only reference speeds such as V2, Vapp is set. HDG bug is only set for Take off and Landing. ALT window frozen at 10000ft. No thrust asymmetry compensation. Examiner is the pilot monitoring. He is passive. Gear up, clean up calls are all on you.
Results come in 30 mins. After that you go for your medical check, drug test (urine&hair).
Day 2: ICAO English test which is pretty easy provided that you are good with English and radio communications. It's a self paid test and costs about 2200 HKD. Then interview with one HR and pilot.
Here are a few Qs I prepped with:HR questions.
Self intro.
Tell us about CX.
Why choose CX
What are the challenges you face if you join CX.
What does Teamwork mean to u.
Where do u see urself in 5 years.
How would ur colleagues describe u.
How would ur friend describe u.
Do u think u will stay in HKG for long term.
What Boeing aircraft CX operate, and what type of 747 cx has.
Did I apply any other airline? Did I consider AHK?
Technical
Walking to Aircraft, typhoon coming in, what is ur considerations?
If airport red light warning, can u pushback?
Windshear considerations for take off (he asked abt flaps for take-off during windsear).
Windshear before V1, after V1 before VR and after VR.
If windshear is inhibited during take off roll, how to tell if ure in a shear.
If u were to reject during take off roll for windshear, how would u do it.
How do you know it is last 900m / 300m of the runway. (The center line lights colour)
What system to detect predictive and reactive (plus when the inhibits happen)
Windshear. If no moisture in air, can u still detect winshear.
After reject due to windshear, what r ur considerations for another take off?
What are the considerations when flying HKG-LAX in comparison to HKG-PVG flights. (I talked abt ETOPS)
Engine failure in cruise, in the middle of the pacific how you handle?
Any flight incident?
Any conflict with colleagues?
Asked about my command situation with hka.
Do I know abt the command situation in CX.
FUEL COMSUMP
30/40/50 RULE
Read IPAD
Limitations
TCAS
GPWS EGPWS
FLIGHT CONTROLS
What kind of 777 we have
B777-300ER and
B7777-300 (RR engines) non ER
What kind of 747 we have
B747-400F (no BCF) and 747-8T
747-8F
Must know:
-Cathay history, values, routes, destinations, airplanes
-Also important know about HKG, where are you planning to live, why HKG, how will manage the distance from you family.
- a time you used your skills or CRM to improve flight safety
- know about your airplane
- ETOPS, LVO, Windshear, ice operations.
After that, licence/logbook check.
All the best!
Some info about the sim. No AP, A/T, FD. MCP is frozen i.e only reference speeds such as V2, Vapp is set. HDG bug is only set for Take off and Landing. ALT window frozen at 10000ft. No thrust asymmetry compensation. Examiner is the pilot monitoring. He is passive. Gear up, clean up calls are all on you.
Results come in 30 mins. After that you go for your medical check, drug test (urine&hair).
Day 2: ICAO English test which is pretty easy provided that you are good with English and radio communications. It's a self paid test and costs about 2200 HKD. Then interview with one HR and pilot.
Here are a few Qs I prepped with:HR questions.
Self intro.
Tell us about CX.
Why choose CX
What are the challenges you face if you join CX.
What does Teamwork mean to u.
Where do u see urself in 5 years.
How would ur colleagues describe u.
How would ur friend describe u.
Do u think u will stay in HKG for long term.
What Boeing aircraft CX operate, and what type of 747 cx has.
Did I apply any other airline? Did I consider AHK?
Technical
Walking to Aircraft, typhoon coming in, what is ur considerations?
If airport red light warning, can u pushback?
Windshear considerations for take off (he asked abt flaps for take-off during windsear).
Windshear before V1, after V1 before VR and after VR.
If windshear is inhibited during take off roll, how to tell if ure in a shear.
If u were to reject during take off roll for windshear, how would u do it.
How do you know it is last 900m / 300m of the runway. (The center line lights colour)
What system to detect predictive and reactive (plus when the inhibits happen)
Windshear. If no moisture in air, can u still detect winshear.
After reject due to windshear, what r ur considerations for another take off?
What are the considerations when flying HKG-LAX in comparison to HKG-PVG flights. (I talked abt ETOPS)
Engine failure in cruise, in the middle of the pacific how you handle?
Any flight incident?
Any conflict with colleagues?
Asked about my command situation with hka.
Do I know abt the command situation in CX.
FUEL COMSUMP
30/40/50 RULE
Read IPAD
Limitations
TCAS
GPWS EGPWS
FLIGHT CONTROLS
What kind of 777 we have
B777-300ER and
B7777-300 (RR engines) non ER
What kind of 747 we have
B747-400F (no BCF) and 747-8T
747-8F
Must know:
-Cathay history, values, routes, destinations, airplanes
-Also important know about HKG, where are you planning to live, why HKG, how will manage the distance from you family.
- a time you used your skills or CRM to improve flight safety
- know about your airplane
- ETOPS, LVO, Windshear, ice operations.
After that, licence/logbook check.
All the best!
After the T/O and turns you get asked direction of Airport without any RMI working and not on map mode either?
For landings do they grade on distance at touch down and sink rate?
For the Wind Shear do they expect you to talk about use of weather radar?
30/40)50 rule is in regards to what?
What specifically do we need to know about the 747-8F?
In the Tech quiz do they expect you to describe the architectural structure of your aircraft's engine and its components as well as operational aspects and limitations?
Is it a good or bad thing if you declare previous interest in AHK?
Cheers
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