Mass Resignation from KA
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Why are you so critical of the comments from KaKruizer?
As a fellow KA Captain should you not be congratulating him on his command?
I did not interpret his post as you did, he did not make himself out to be a space shuttle pilot at all. You are very harsh and I feel it is undeserving.
As an F/O I have not had my turn at command, however, from where I stand looking in without prejudice either way, the training department have made available training tools to help with the command training (which are available 24/7 to everyone) e.g the ECAM/FMGS trainers, vacbi computers etc. I have always found that the Training department Pilot's have an open door policy. Always. They have always made time to answer any questions, problems that have come up. There have been times when they have been very busy and still had time to discuss training issues. All you have to do is ask.
Why do you think people fail? Probably because they are not quite ready, but when they are I am sure they make good Captains just like yourself and all the ones that I have flown with.
Perhaps your estimation of the failure rate is far greater than the real figure. I think that you will be surprised just how low it really is.
Before you attack me, just re-read KaKruizers post again. He really was not grandstanding.
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As a fellow KA Captain should you not be congratulating him on his command?
I did not interpret his post as you did, he did not make himself out to be a space shuttle pilot at all. You are very harsh and I feel it is undeserving.
As an F/O I have not had my turn at command, however, from where I stand looking in without prejudice either way, the training department have made available training tools to help with the command training (which are available 24/7 to everyone) e.g the ECAM/FMGS trainers, vacbi computers etc. I have always found that the Training department Pilot's have an open door policy. Always. They have always made time to answer any questions, problems that have come up. There have been times when they have been very busy and still had time to discuss training issues. All you have to do is ask.
Why do you think people fail? Probably because they are not quite ready, but when they are I am sure they make good Captains just like yourself and all the ones that I have flown with.
Perhaps your estimation of the failure rate is far greater than the real figure. I think that you will be surprised just how low it really is.
Before you attack me, just re-read KaKruizers post again. He really was not grandstanding.
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Yes you are right, too harsh.
KA KRUIZER I appologise.
I just feel that so many forget how lucky we were. There is alot of luck and unfortunately not much of a second chance for those who become victim of those few hours in the sim.
Yes you are right, too harsh.
KA KRUIZER I appologise.
I just feel that so many forget how lucky we were. There is alot of luck and unfortunately not much of a second chance for those who become victim of those few hours in the sim.
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Hey Neptunus,
If you think that managementesques are not trained in a commercial or are supposed to be trained in a commercial backdrop then you are highly mistaken about your local flight ops department , if indeed you have one.
get with the picture loser
If you think that managementesques are not trained in a commercial or are supposed to be trained in a commercial backdrop then you are highly mistaken about your local flight ops department , if indeed you have one.
get with the picture loser
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I'm guessing that this might be the right place to ask for info regarding Jade Cargo? I've searched the Net but not found too much. Any good gen appreciated...
Have a look in the Far East, Asian & Indian forum, there is a thread there that gives considerable detail. Cheers, BE
Have a look in the Far East, Asian & Indian forum, there is a thread there that gives considerable detail. Cheers, BE
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Re: Mass Resignation from KA
So, 2005 has passed and how many resignations were there? About 8 by my reckoning. So in a company of about 450 pilots I would hardly refer to this as being 'mass' by any stretch.
This being a company which has never made a loss in it's 20 year history, never made anyone redundnt and has doubled in size in the last 3 years and still has significant aircraft orders.
Still, the original poster has got some attention - nearly 28,000 viewings at the last count. But instead of putting people off I suspect he has increased the flow of CVs into the office!
This being a company which has never made a loss in it's 20 year history, never made anyone redundnt and has doubled in size in the last 3 years and still has significant aircraft orders.
Still, the original poster has got some attention - nearly 28,000 viewings at the last count. But instead of putting people off I suspect he has increased the flow of CVs into the office!
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Re: Mass Resignation from KA
Ah I think you may be on to something Ya Zi.......
"never made a loss in it's 20 year history"
Pretty easy when you are in such a protected market and given routes by your old enemy (Cathay)
"never made anyone redundant"
2 things:
1. It manages to get rid of anyone who isn't toeing the party line
2. There are many people considered redundant IN KA: they work in management. (rumour has it to get promoted you need 2 alleged overspeeds).
"doubled in size in 3 years"......make it at least 5. And remember KA started in the same year as EK! Look at the size of their fleet compared to KA's.
Aircraft still on order : 3 A330's (with no confirmed destinations to fly) and Freighters that KA Pilots probably won't get to fly if senior management has their way.
YEP....the place to be.......2000m in Haze ...er pollution..er...mist
Has anyone seen that refuel panel....it was here a sec ago!!
"never made a loss in it's 20 year history"
Pretty easy when you are in such a protected market and given routes by your old enemy (Cathay)
"never made anyone redundant"
2 things:
1. It manages to get rid of anyone who isn't toeing the party line
2. There are many people considered redundant IN KA: they work in management. (rumour has it to get promoted you need 2 alleged overspeeds).
"doubled in size in 3 years"......make it at least 5. And remember KA started in the same year as EK! Look at the size of their fleet compared to KA's.
Aircraft still on order : 3 A330's (with no confirmed destinations to fly) and Freighters that KA Pilots probably won't get to fly if senior management has their way.
YEP....the place to be.......2000m in Haze ...er pollution..er...mist
Has anyone seen that refuel panel....it was here a sec ago!!
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Re: Mass Resignation from KA
Never made a loss in 20 years? They were losing hand over fist when they had the 737-200. Only a shipping and shoe magnate kept them from going under. Fortunately Airbus took the aircraft off their hands.
Never made anyone redundant? What about all the pilots they sacked on trumped up charges because a certain person took a disliking to them (Manager Personnel)? For example a pilot with an exemplary record being 'failed' in the simulator two goes running by a certain training captain (now retired from KA). How can a pilot be failed in the sim and continue to fly for another six months to be failed a second time? Another who the same training captain tried to fail but was not able to as the third pilot in the sim at the time was also a trainer and pointed out that the pilot in question had done well in the sim detail, but the company sacked anyway for no reason (legal in Hong Kong) - although there were 'rumours' of alleged house rent contract problems bringing the company into 'disrepute'. I could go on ...
Never made anyone redundant? What about all the pilots they sacked on trumped up charges because a certain person took a disliking to them (Manager Personnel)? For example a pilot with an exemplary record being 'failed' in the simulator two goes running by a certain training captain (now retired from KA). How can a pilot be failed in the sim and continue to fly for another six months to be failed a second time? Another who the same training captain tried to fail but was not able to as the third pilot in the sim at the time was also a trainer and pointed out that the pilot in question had done well in the sim detail, but the company sacked anyway for no reason (legal in Hong Kong) - although there were 'rumours' of alleged house rent contract problems bringing the company into 'disrepute'. I could go on ...
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Re: Mass Resignation from KA
Dragonair would never make anyone redundant in any case, they don't need to. The pilots' conditions of service require large redundancy payouts. If they can legally sack someone without reason and just pay the three months notice why would they? And they have done just that on a number of occasions, as I have shown in my last post. There are also many other examples, I have merely mentioned two. The other cases are very similar in nature.
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Re: Mass Resignation from KA
Some of the KA guys do moan a lot. It seems they won't be happy anywhere. Perhaps they can go home to where the air is clearer and fly witchety bug eaters around the outback - or wherever it is they came from. (Sorry, perhaps a bit too specific about their nationality!)
