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Old 28th Oct 2005, 10:16
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Can't be many left !

But here goes......P A T = Power Attitude Trim - the going up bit


A P T = Attitude Power Trim - stopping the going up bit

Going down (!?) and levelling off is also PAT then APT....isn't it ??


Ferret...surely you must be an acronym yourself !!!

Any ideas?

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Old 28th Oct 2005, 12:29
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No - it's always PAT except levelling off from a climb. Levelling from a glide descent use the last bit of descent to increase speed.

How about HAT. Pre-HAT checks and post-HATT checks for turns

Before the turn (once turning point identified):

Heading - look up new heading
Altitude - look up altitude for next leg
Time - reset stopwatch

After turn:

Heading - read heading on DI, check with plan
Altitude - check correct and suscale setting correct
Time - check stopwatch has started
Time - check time of next check feature or turning point
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Agree with pre- and post-HAATT checks.

But 'PAT' applies when changing power settings;
'SHT' (Select attitude, Hold, Trim) applies when changing attitude (i.e entering climb or levelling off) with a constant power setting;
'PAAT' (Progressively Adjust Attiude and Trim) applies when accelerating/decelerating in level flight;
'LAI' (Lk out, Attitude, Instruments) applies when maintaining anything.


So, from S&L at one level to S&L at another, it would go:

PAT - SHT - LAI - SHT - PAAT - PAT - LAI.............

With L kout in between everything else!
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You can never change the CFS instructor - eyes in his "O"s of lookout! Should have bee red though Having had so much military instruction I do it myself in every briefing.

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Old 28th Oct 2005, 15:33
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How about TITS

When tuning a flip-flop radio.

T = Tune
I = Identify (the dit's and da's part)
T = Test (some radio's have a test feature which will make the VOR neddle flip around and flag go erratic)
S= Set it (make sure you flip it over from the standby freq., always my personal favorite to watch someone do, identitfy for 20 minuntes the wrong freq)

Anyway, another old US one.
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Old 29th Oct 2005, 16:21
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Prior to rolling

T Time
I Instruments
T Txpdr
S Switches
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Old 29th Oct 2005, 19:04
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T time
T twist
T talk


S Select
I Ident
D Dispaly
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Old 29th Oct 2005, 20:26
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Frank Sucks Big Ones.

True but also a useful way of remembering the cloud cover terms
Few, Sct, Bkn, Ovc.

What was ever wrong with Oktas?
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Old 29th Oct 2005, 21:59
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Unhappy PAT or APT?

Mmn - some debate on when to use PAT and APT! I suppose it will depend on whether you are cruise climbing or not - but in a helicopter if have always thought it went this way:

To start a climb - APT - Attitude to use your IAS to start the climb, then Power then Trim.

To level off from a climb - APT - Attitude to convert your ROC to forward IAS, then Power - set for the cruise, then Trim.

To descend - PAT - reduce Power, adjust Attitude to descent speed then Trim.

To level off from a descent - PAT - increase Power to arrest ROD, adjust Attitude to desired speed and Trim.

As far as the acronym for FERRET, Monsieur Le Fake Sealion, it does not stand for anything yet but I am sure that you can think of something suitable?

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Old 30th Oct 2005, 07:01
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Why don't we use APT to enter a climb.
I have always taught PAT, but it always felt wrong to thrash the guts out of the engine then enter a climb.
Especially as one Cessna i flew had it prop trimmed and would easily redline.

S stopwatch
T turn
A ATA/ETA
R report
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Old 30th Oct 2005, 11:08
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Oh ya, the "T's" bring back memeories.

5 or 6 T's depending on where ya learned.

Turn
Time
Twist
Throttle
Talk
Track

On the line up STILD

Squawk
Time off
Ice
Lights
DG
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Old 31st Oct 2005, 14:28
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ETLA

Extended

Three

Letter

Aconym
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Old 2nd Nov 2005, 01:22
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ETLAs

I was wondering when we would see that one RVR800!

Who remembers PATCASATNE (or something like that?) for position reports - I am sure there are some more for an initial call to a ground station? Does PACER ring a bell with anybody?

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Old 2nd Nov 2005, 03:50
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Hello guys,

Here is another one for Instrument-Flying.

It can give you a smelly cockpit though....

On reaching Final Approach Fix

F - Flaps
A - Altimeter-Setting Check
R - Radar Altimeter set for DH
T - Timing ?

grtz Herb
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Old 2nd Nov 2005, 17:38
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Good old PACER

Position, Altitude, Condition, Estimate, Request

Still use it today!!
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Old 2nd Nov 2005, 21:38
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After departure clearance:
Strobes
Pumps
Llights
Iinstruments
Transponder

Time
Ice check
Pitot
... ON

After taxying off the runway:
SPLIT TIP ... OFF

After take-off or missed approach:
Brakes
Undercarriage
Flaps

Power
Altimeters
Iinstruments
Nav aids

Landing light
Ice
Pump

HFD
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Old 2nd Nov 2005, 23:31
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Meteorolgical theory too, for those batic winds

Up on Anna, down on Kate!
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Old 2nd Nov 2005, 23:32
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IIRC

Patcasatne was the acronym for Mayday and Pan calls:

P Position
A And
T Time
C Course
A And
S Speed
A Altitude
T Type
N Nature (of emergency)
E Endurance

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Old 3rd Nov 2005, 07:43
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Just a poor Stude PPL here but here are the 'common' ones we use. Apologies if I've missed them elsewhere;

Pre Landing checks.

B = Brakes off
U = Undercarriage down
M = Mixture rich
F = Flaps / Fuel
I = Instruments / normal / greens
C = Carb heat
H = Harness / seat belts secure etc.

CADET = Compass to True add East. (001 - 189 degrees) used to show what to do when going from magnetic to true in the Nav exam. Obviously you then take away West. Going 190 - 360 you do the opposite.
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Old 4th Nov 2005, 00:52
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Grrr TITT and TOFC

Glad to see that PPLers are reading the Instructors and Examiners pages........very wise! I think you did miss CADET earlier however!

Just thought of 2 more - I used the first one today!

TITT to tune in and fly a VOR:

Tune
Identify
Twist
Turn

..........and one for remembering the triggers for a thunderstorm:

Think Of Fluffy Clouds!

Thermal
Orographic
Frontal
Convergence

Keep them coming!

The Ferret

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