HASELL check before Steep turns Ex15
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I was never taught, nor have I ever taught to do a HASEL before a steep turn. However, I never came out and called it nonsense. What I did was give a reason as to why someone may do it. I find it better than being arrogant.
While the student is busy scanning their instruments, and the horizon, their eyes are moving too fast to catch other traffic.
Remember, we're talking about ab-initio students, we're not talking about professional pilots.
With experience, the pilot won't need to concentrate so much on the said exercise, hence, able to do a 45+ turn and look for traffic.
While the student is busy scanning their instruments, and the horizon, their eyes are moving too fast to catch other traffic.
Remember, we're talking about ab-initio students, we're not talking about professional pilots.
With experience, the pilot won't need to concentrate so much on the said exercise, hence, able to do a 45+ turn and look for traffic.
"While the student is busy scanning their instruments, and the horizon, their eyes are moving too fast to catch other traffic.!
More nonsense. The litany is LOOKOUT - Attitude - Instruments. Make sure the students apply that - particularly the disciplined LOOKOUT technique - and curb any student attempt to spend too much time 'head-in'.
PS - Not sure why you felt the need to edit your earlier post in order to include such an aptly self-descriptive noun......?
More nonsense. The litany is LOOKOUT - Attitude - Instruments. Make sure the students apply that - particularly the disciplined LOOKOUT technique - and curb any student attempt to spend too much time 'head-in'.
PS - Not sure why you felt the need to edit your earlier post in order to include such an aptly self-descriptive noun......?
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"Maverick";
More nonsense. The litany is LOOKOUT - Attitude - Instruments. Make sure the students apply that - particularly the disciplined LOOKOUT technique - and curb any student attempt to spend too much time 'head-in'.
While the ab-initio student is conducting the lookout, what's happening with the nose as they roll through 30? How long does it take to conduct this disciplined lookout? Longer then let's say rolling from 0-30 bank? Lookout complete, the plane's nose is diving, instrument scan, confirm, spiral to the left, back to lookout, can't spend too much time in cockpit, lookout again, no traffic, but the green sure is getting closer....
I hope you teach spiral dive recovery before you send the poor souls on solo practice. Or better yet, i'm sure you teach steep turns so well, that no need to teach spiral dives. Heck, let's not teach spin recovery, you got one of them stall horns don't ya eh
As for the editing, the option is there for a reason, however to satisfy you're question, ****** was censored
Tally ho
More nonsense. The litany is LOOKOUT - Attitude - Instruments. Make sure the students apply that - particularly the disciplined LOOKOUT technique - and curb any student attempt to spend too much time 'head-in'.
While the ab-initio student is conducting the lookout, what's happening with the nose as they roll through 30? How long does it take to conduct this disciplined lookout? Longer then let's say rolling from 0-30 bank? Lookout complete, the plane's nose is diving, instrument scan, confirm, spiral to the left, back to lookout, can't spend too much time in cockpit, lookout again, no traffic, but the green sure is getting closer....
I hope you teach spiral dive recovery before you send the poor souls on solo practice. Or better yet, i'm sure you teach steep turns so well, that no need to teach spiral dives. Heck, let's not teach spin recovery, you got one of them stall horns don't ya eh
As for the editing, the option is there for a reason, however to satisfy you're question, ****** was censored
Tally ho
1. Your skills at editing your earlier post are clearly on a par with your instructional skills...
2. "How long does it take to conduct this disciplined lookout? Longer then let's say rolling from 0-30 bank? Lookout complete, the plane's nose is diving, instrument scan, confirm, spiral to the left, back to lookout, can't spend too much time in cockpit, lookout again, no traffic, but the green sure is getting closer.... " What utter garbage! The lookout begins at the rearmost view the student can manage, continues along the horizon through the fore-and-aft to the opposite side, back as high as the student can see and ends looking at the visual attitude. The aircraft is then rolled smoothly and positively to a visually assessed 45 deg AoB, using sufficient rudder to maintain balance, sufficient back pressure and power to maintain level flight and cruise IAS. When the visually assessed 45 deg AoB is achieved, a brief confirmation is made with reference to the attitude indicator to confirm that the assessed 45 deg AoB has indeed been achieved. That is the 'entry' technique. The 'maintenance' technique is to LOOKOUT into the turn, back to the visual ATTITUDE to confirm that it hasn't changed, then a quick scan of the INSTRUMENTS (altimeter, ASI, ball) to confirm that the a/c is in level, balanced flight. This LOOKOUT, ATTITUDE, INSTRUMENTS sequence continues until rollout, which is effectively the reverse sequence to the entry until wings level when a LOOKOUT is condcted on the side away from the turn which has been 'blind' throughout the turn.
2. "How long does it take to conduct this disciplined lookout? Longer then let's say rolling from 0-30 bank? Lookout complete, the plane's nose is diving, instrument scan, confirm, spiral to the left, back to lookout, can't spend too much time in cockpit, lookout again, no traffic, but the green sure is getting closer.... " What utter garbage! The lookout begins at the rearmost view the student can manage, continues along the horizon through the fore-and-aft to the opposite side, back as high as the student can see and ends looking at the visual attitude. The aircraft is then rolled smoothly and positively to a visually assessed 45 deg AoB, using sufficient rudder to maintain balance, sufficient back pressure and power to maintain level flight and cruise IAS. When the visually assessed 45 deg AoB is achieved, a brief confirmation is made with reference to the attitude indicator to confirm that the assessed 45 deg AoB has indeed been achieved. That is the 'entry' technique. The 'maintenance' technique is to LOOKOUT into the turn, back to the visual ATTITUDE to confirm that it hasn't changed, then a quick scan of the INSTRUMENTS (altimeter, ASI, ball) to confirm that the a/c is in level, balanced flight. This LOOKOUT, ATTITUDE, INSTRUMENTS sequence continues until rollout, which is effectively the reverse sequence to the entry until wings level when a LOOKOUT is condcted on the side away from the turn which has been 'blind' throughout the turn.
BEagle,
'interesting that you didn't mention the VSI (although I didn't mention the ball so nobody's perfect
). I've always felt that, for accurate steep turns, the VSI indicates what's about to happen whereas the altimeter indicates what HAS happened; therefore the VSI is at least as important as the altimeter.
... just an observation.
HFD
'interesting that you didn't mention the VSI (although I didn't mention the ball so nobody's perfect
). I've always felt that, for accurate steep turns, the VSI indicates what's about to happen whereas the altimeter indicates what HAS happened; therefore the VSI is at least as important as the altimeter.... just an observation.
HFD
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HASEL checks are to be conducted before Slow Flight, Stalls, Spins, Spiral Dives, aerobatic work, etc. However, I do not come on here and tell people who do HASEL before steep turns that they are full of garbage. I leave that to bagle.
Bagle, good on ya. Your attitude is top notch (utter nonsene, garbage, rubage), you should be flying a space shuttle bloke! No cure for that blue blood syndrome EH!
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Bagle, good on ya. Your attitude is top notch (utter nonsene, garbage, rubage), you should be flying a space shuttle bloke! No cure for that blue blood syndrome EH!
over'n'out
