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Thanks Dad, I will go sit in the corner now!!
I am a US flight instructor and did indeed teach "attitude" flying and a bunch of other techniques, at least that is what I think. But any discussion that will further my knowledge I will gladly engage in.
I am however tired of hearing derogatory remarks concerning US pilots on such a continuous basis. I may be thinskinned, doubt it, but I think we all have some pride in what we do for a living, I certainly do.
I did not spend 3000+ hrs teaching with excellent results for my students, with long hours and low pay only to be told by EU boys that US pilots in general and US CFI's in particular have no clue as to what "real" training is. Reading some of your other post on this thread, certainly shows what you think, you are entitled to your opinion, so I guess that means I am entitled to mine.
So, no, I am not looking for pointless abuse, although US CFI have certainly taken theirs here, including but not limited to some of your aforementioned post's.
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Thanks Dad, I will go sit in the corner now!!
I am a US flight instructor and did indeed teach "attitude" flying and a bunch of other techniques, at least that is what I think. But any discussion that will further my knowledge I will gladly engage in.
I am however tired of hearing derogatory remarks concerning US pilots on such a continuous basis. I may be thinskinned, doubt it, but I think we all have some pride in what we do for a living, I certainly do.
I did not spend 3000+ hrs teaching with excellent results for my students, with long hours and low pay only to be told by EU boys that US pilots in general and US CFI's in particular have no clue as to what "real" training is. Reading some of your other post on this thread, certainly shows what you think, you are entitled to your opinion, so I guess that means I am entitled to mine.
So, no, I am not looking for pointless abuse, although US CFI have certainly taken theirs here, including but not limited to some of your aforementioned post's.
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Don't sweat it 'Diesel8'. I too am a US trained pilot and CFI currently in the UK getting my ATPL.
I have come to the conclusion, as have many of my colleagues, that Brit pilots slagging US pilots is a direct result of:
1. A general lack of flying skills. Although they seem to be quite proficient in such cr*p as morse and how far below a balloon it's anticol light shall be hung.
2. Too much Guinness (not necessarily a bad thing)
Safe 2000 all.
I have come to the conclusion, as have many of my colleagues, that Brit pilots slagging US pilots is a direct result of:
1. A general lack of flying skills. Although they seem to be quite proficient in such cr*p as morse and how far below a balloon it's anticol light shall be hung.
2. Too much Guinness (not necessarily a bad thing)
Safe 2000 all.
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BEagle - Yes, I agree. point and squirt does work in the Chippy. I used it myself a lot of the time, but the technique we used to teach the studes was attitude controls airspeed/power controls rate of descent because of the closeness of the flap limit. It made the Chipppy a little harder to fly, but it prevented overstresses.
And my final comment, It seemed to get a response. Any votes on a new topic regarding Yanks not being able to take banter?
And my final comment, It seemed to get a response. Any votes on a new topic regarding Yanks not being able to take banter?
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Hungry, diesel, etc...
Yup, I've got opinions- like I said, I've flown with some excellent US trained pilots, and some excellent US trained instructors. I don't think Americans can't fly, or can't teach.
The US SYSTEM is what scares me, but as I've posted, it works for you. Ours works for us. And if Hungrypilot thinks his CAA flight tests are going to be easy, I can only wish him luck!
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Hey guys - everyone contributes to aviation according to their cultural beliefs and attitudes - we perceive things differently regarding rules, WX, navaids, techniques, procedures...blah blah you know the routine.
So instead of slagging the differing ideas that result from differing aviation cultures and environs, just pick out the good bits from each and include them in your "kit bag".
As a CFS trainer, I have instructed IPs from all over the world "what is normal here" - and have always managed to learn gems from them as they learned from me. That is the way forward.
So instead of slagging the differing ideas that result from differing aviation cultures and environs, just pick out the good bits from each and include them in your "kit bag".
As a CFS trainer, I have instructed IPs from all over the world "what is normal here" - and have always managed to learn gems from them as they learned from me. That is the way forward.
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Diesel8, I thought it was in this topic (if not, then one with a very similar title and content) I said I worked with some US-trained instructors (both US citizens, and Europeans) at my last instructing job. Some of those qualified for CAA CAP509 approval, which is extremely difficult. As I said, they were excellent pilots, and "completely belie any suggestion that yanks can't instruct."
(Checking back, apologies, I might have said it in the "USA trained(?) PPLs topic. I still meant it though).
The crap ones would have been crap under anyone's system.
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(Checking back, apologies, I might have said it in the "USA trained(?) PPLs topic. I still meant it though).
The crap ones would have been crap under anyone's system.
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We are all so nice to each other aren't we? We have a reputation for being haughty, I wonder why. This is not a sport or a zero sum game. We can learn a lot from each other. Kisses to all.
Anyway, I was wondering if there are enough pilots States side to have a PPRUNE bash.
Anyway, I was wondering if there are enough pilots States side to have a PPRUNE bash.
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Hello all,
As a Canuck I'm a little curious to hear how Canadian trained pilots and standards are regarded in your countries? What do you see as the major differences between the Canadian system and yours?
I would also like to hear your opinions or comments on flying club training vs. flight college training.
Take care
As a Canuck I'm a little curious to hear how Canadian trained pilots and standards are regarded in your countries? What do you see as the major differences between the Canadian system and yours?
I would also like to hear your opinions or comments on flying club training vs. flight college training.
Take care
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I have had it with this crap... Well regarding Canadian standards ... If you ask Beagle or anyone else in his camp, you are not worth anything as you are not trained in BRITANNIA.
You basically don't know how to fly or do anything else with airplanes.
You would be better off driving a taxi or something in that category.Actually that might be too complicated to you too, how about cleaning hotelrooms...There you could pick up the trash left by crews that fly airplanes for British companies and are trained in BRITANNIA. You know you might learn something useful from the trash and perhaps if you were extensively retrained you could perhaps make it as a pilot.
Anybody who has not done training in BRITANNIA sucks... that is the general idea of this thread.
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Oh yes I am off to fly the 737 that I really don't know how to fly as I have not been trained in BRITANNIA.
Anybody care to comment... put your flack west on as I have had it and will not save words anymore.
You basically don't know how to fly or do anything else with airplanes.
You would be better off driving a taxi or something in that category.Actually that might be too complicated to you too, how about cleaning hotelrooms...There you could pick up the trash left by crews that fly airplanes for British companies and are trained in BRITANNIA. You know you might learn something useful from the trash and perhaps if you were extensively retrained you could perhaps make it as a pilot.
Anybody who has not done training in BRITANNIA sucks... that is the general idea of this thread.
JJ
Oh yes I am off to fly the 737 that I really don't know how to fly as I have not been trained in BRITANNIA.
Anybody care to comment... put your flack west on as I have had it and will not save words anymore.
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Sorry - don't know much aboot Canuck flying!! But what did we in the military ever do to upset you Canucks and deserve Gander and Goose bl**dy Bay!! It has always mystified me why anyone having crossed the pond hundreds of years ago and bumped their boat into North America should turn right towards the snow and Christmas trees rather than left towards the sun!! But you guys have often flown in some utterly dreadful conditions very safely - so you must be doing something right, eh?
Wrote this before reading JJ's post. Cool down dude, I'm sure that there are well trained pilots everywhere in the world - it's just that the small and statistically insignificant number of students - NOT INSTRUCTORS - trained in a certain part of the world who I have personally flown with haven't been well trained. There could well be many others who have. And, just for the record, I was once given an excellent briefing on US rules and procedures by a US instructor at Space Center Executive!!
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Wrote this before reading JJ's post. Cool down dude, I'm sure that there are well trained pilots everywhere in the world - it's just that the small and statistically insignificant number of students - NOT INSTRUCTORS - trained in a certain part of the world who I have personally flown with haven't been well trained. There could well be many others who have. And, just for the record, I was once given an excellent briefing on US rules and procedures by a US instructor at Space Center Executive!!
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