USA-trained(?) PPLs
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Its good to see that this thread has calmed down; seemingly come to an end. Could it be that there is a consensus, or just that everybody's off vacationing? I was.
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Since I started this thread, may I finish?? Although I've encountered some very poor PPL holders who had done 'quickie' courses in the USA, I am quite prepared to believe that there are equally some very good US-trained PPL holders - it's just that I haven't yet met one, but that's as may be.
Incidentally, I also encountered a UK-trained PPL holder last year who wanted a check out but didn't even have a valid licence as her CofE was out of date - although she had done some recent flying. We thus launched off to do a GFT - and her flying was so poor that, apart from the fact that she failed dismally, I would have serious doubts about letting her have command of a wheelbarrow - and certainly not a bicycle!!
Incidentally, I also encountered a UK-trained PPL holder last year who wanted a check out but didn't even have a valid licence as her CofE was out of date - although she had done some recent flying. We thus launched off to do a GFT - and her flying was so poor that, apart from the fact that she failed dismally, I would have serious doubts about letting her have command of a wheelbarrow - and certainly not a bicycle!!
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I did my initial flying training in the USA, and I felt that I good have had more CAA type thorough basic ability and awareness training.It was good having to do my CAA RT licence over here in England.
However, whilst I was doing my hour building for my commercial I was able to practice approaches and landings at the major airports, Tampa, Orlando int. and Miami int. all for free and getting used to following ATC instructions to the letter whilst slotting in between 757,767, airbus etc.
So the USA does have its advantages, however I agree that there should be more screening of schools offering JAA and CAA ratings.
One point though, if you are going to criticise certain schools, have the courage to name them!
I went to Britannia in Florida..
However, whilst I was doing my hour building for my commercial I was able to practice approaches and landings at the major airports, Tampa, Orlando int. and Miami int. all for free and getting used to following ATC instructions to the letter whilst slotting in between 757,767, airbus etc.
So the USA does have its advantages, however I agree that there should be more screening of schools offering JAA and CAA ratings.
One point though, if you are going to criticise certain schools, have the courage to name them!
I went to Britannia in Florida..
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I got my PPL in the US.
Shame on me.
Or not, read on...
I then joined the University Air Squadron, so I believe I have something to compare the training to.
Maybe I was lucky- my instructor had had already validated his ATPL with 1500h, and had actually stopped logging the single engine hours he was flying(????). He stayed on as an instructor, though, just until his conversion course (to UK ATPL) started. The instruction he gave me was second to none, and I mean NONE, including the instruction I was given in the UAS.
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I was given some pretty poor instruction by an instructor I had for my IMC, also in Florida- so much so that I was tested on ILSs during my flight test and told the examiner (after my third failed attempt) that I'd never done one, because with all the instruction given to me by Mr V***** *a*i*a, that was what seemed like the truth.
Thankfully (or not?), the instruction given to me by my PPL instructor was enough for me to pass the test on an SRA (bear in mind that this is mid afternoon Florida in June. Turbelence? just a bit).
So, I think to generalise that all instructors 'over there' are bad is unfair. There are some bad ones, but as I know there are some bloody good ones too.
Shame on me.
Or not, read on...
I then joined the University Air Squadron, so I believe I have something to compare the training to.
Maybe I was lucky- my instructor had had already validated his ATPL with 1500h, and had actually stopped logging the single engine hours he was flying(????). He stayed on as an instructor, though, just until his conversion course (to UK ATPL) started. The instruction he gave me was second to none, and I mean NONE, including the instruction I was given in the UAS.
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I was given some pretty poor instruction by an instructor I had for my IMC, also in Florida- so much so that I was tested on ILSs during my flight test and told the examiner (after my third failed attempt) that I'd never done one, because with all the instruction given to me by Mr V***** *a*i*a, that was what seemed like the truth.
Thankfully (or not?), the instruction given to me by my PPL instructor was enough for me to pass the test on an SRA (bear in mind that this is mid afternoon Florida in June. Turbelence? just a bit).
So, I think to generalise that all instructors 'over there' are bad is unfair. There are some bad ones, but as I know there are some bloody good ones too.
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Hello All,
I just glance through this topic and found a lot of things to say. Firstly, I did flying in the US, and have all my hours for a PPL, but unfortunately, the school was backlogged and I did not have a chance to do a checkride. As for the self taught part, sometimes it helps to help yourself, and it does save some money and brains to understand the stuff.
I don't know much about flying in the UK, but one comment I must make is that I get a feeling from some CFIs, not all, that once they get their hours, they are not into teaching anymore. That sort of disappoint me.
Flying was born in the US of A and even though it became more popular in UK, I think I will give credit for flying in the US.
Hope that didn't insult anyone. Thanks.
I just glance through this topic and found a lot of things to say. Firstly, I did flying in the US, and have all my hours for a PPL, but unfortunately, the school was backlogged and I did not have a chance to do a checkride. As for the self taught part, sometimes it helps to help yourself, and it does save some money and brains to understand the stuff.
I don't know much about flying in the UK, but one comment I must make is that I get a feeling from some CFIs, not all, that once they get their hours, they are not into teaching anymore. That sort of disappoint me.
Flying was born in the US of A and even though it became more popular in UK, I think I will give credit for flying in the US.
Hope that didn't insult anyone. Thanks.
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BEagle....Your a w***er aren't you?
I could tell by the way you pretend everyone else is of a lower form to make yourself feel a bit better.
Hows the home life?
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I could tell by the way you pretend everyone else is of a lower form to make yourself feel a bit better.
Hows the home life?
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No, my dear Oz chum, I don't believe I'm a w***er. I presume you mean 'wonder'?? All I've been saying is that some people seem to have not been trained terribly well - whether in the USA, UK, Europe, Australia or Mars for that matter isn't significant. Because the 2 I came across in a short space of time had both been through a similar training scheme and both had similar poor levels of understanding and application, I wondered whether this was generally indicative of an overall poor training system, or whether it was just the 2 of them who weren't particularly good. I don't yet know the answer to that - but I do NOT think that ALL non-UK trained pilots are poor; there are good and bad pilots in every country.
Home life's just fine thanks, old bean, since you had the kindness to ask. How's glorious Oz??
Home life's just fine thanks, old bean, since you had the kindness to ask. How's glorious Oz??
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there is a certian amount of truth in this US pilot hullabaloo. i have flown with captains (most of whom are fairly low time for the position) and have considered some of their judgments as a bit dubious.
but seeing as I'm 100% USA trained (NAIA) who am I to talk?
doesn't mean to say that I don't like to hear people slagging off yankee drivers. My instructor was f***ing brilliant. so, bEagle, I resent your comments and have to agree with an aforementioned post. (but only because you're chip on the shoulder UAS type).
but seeing as I'm 100% USA trained (NAIA) who am I to talk?
doesn't mean to say that I don't like to hear people slagging off yankee drivers. My instructor was f***ing brilliant. so, bEagle, I resent your comments and have to agree with an aforementioned post. (but only because you're chip on the shoulder UAS type).
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Right - I'll try it again in even simpler English. I have flown with 2 US-trained PPLs. Both were poor. Are others better?? I don't know because I haven't met any other US-trained ones yet. But whoever trained these 2 did a very poor job. Others would probably have done a better one.
Is that simple enough for you to understand?
Is that simple enough for you to understand?
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So you started this whole thread on account of two PPLs , right ?
I was originally a US trained PPL. Now I have taught FAA and CAA PPLs and CPLs. I have done rental checks for US, UK, other parts of europe and Oz trained pilots and believe me I could tell you horror stories from the lot except the Oz - this is not an invitation for the Oz's to get mouthy, it was only one , so by Beagle's logic it implies nothing but is worth starting a row about!
FAA pilots can be horribly ill disciplined at times. Equally annoying are the CAA ones who are dangerously inflexible "This is the right way because it's what I was taught in England and I'm not adapting it for anyone", and again believe me, this is so common.
I was originally a US trained PPL. Now I have taught FAA and CAA PPLs and CPLs. I have done rental checks for US, UK, other parts of europe and Oz trained pilots and believe me I could tell you horror stories from the lot except the Oz - this is not an invitation for the Oz's to get mouthy, it was only one , so by Beagle's logic it implies nothing but is worth starting a row about!
FAA pilots can be horribly ill disciplined at times. Equally annoying are the CAA ones who are dangerously inflexible "This is the right way because it's what I was taught in England and I'm not adapting it for anyone", and again believe me, this is so common.
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Yes - because I was so asonished at their staggering lack of prowess I merely sought to establish whether they were typical products of certain '3-week instant pilot' establishments. I certainly hope that they weren't. But, on the other hand, I've only ever heard high praise concerning Oz standards.
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I've flown with many US trained PPLs most of who weren't as good as theyshould be to have a licence.
The problem isn't that the British think they're the best, its just that would be pilots go the the US for cheap licences. They go to schools which push them through the PPL too quickly and with too much hand holding. Then they come home to Great Britain where every thing in aviation is wierd to them, They probably haven't flown in months and virtually can't fly.
Some off my own students who have been to America told me the instructor they had pulled their flying to bits and the different ideas (joining downwind at 45 degrees) mesmerised them.
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The problem isn't that the British think they're the best, its just that would be pilots go the the US for cheap licences. They go to schools which push them through the PPL too quickly and with too much hand holding. Then they come home to Great Britain where every thing in aviation is wierd to them, They probably haven't flown in months and virtually can't fly.
Some off my own students who have been to America told me the instructor they had pulled their flying to bits and the different ideas (joining downwind at 45 degrees) mesmerised them.
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