Supervised Solo's
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Supervised Solo's
To de restrict the F.I (R) the CAA ask for 25 supervised solo flights and 100 hours instructing.
Question.... Is a solo x-c flight one supervised solo or two?
Question.... Are four night time Stop/Go circuits one supervised solo or four?
Sorry if this all sounds a bit dim but no one that I know really seems to have the answer.
Any idea's anyone?
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The whole thing is about supervision, not the number of take offs and landings. If you send a student on a Qual X Cty it is one flight because you only brief the student once. The student logs 3 flights one for each leg.
There is no added value to the instructor if the student does five circuits compared to one.
One sortie, one brief one supervised solo.
There is no added value to the instructor if the student does five circuits compared to one.
One sortie, one brief one supervised solo.
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Noggin, yes i am inclined to agree with you.
Honest Frank.....a little bit offensive i think. Instructors are underpaid as it is. If you were an instructor how would you feel about sending 2 of your students off on solo flights and not earning any money for the rest of the day?
If a student is flying solo he is entitled to the guidance (supervision?) of an instructor. This forms part of his training and part of the ppl syllabus.
I would suggest that the worst scenario based on your thoughts might be instructors doing more dual flying than necessary in order to earn money.
Think about it.
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An instructor not being paid to supervise solo flights? That flying club has a cheek.
All the flying clubs I know of pay the instructor for the supervision they do. At the end of the day the instructor's licence is being 'used' by the student. He has to be on site, or in the ATZ if anything goes wrong. And it's our butt that gets kidded if all hell breaks loose.
Honest Frank please have some respect for our highly under paid and deserved profession.
I take pride in my instructing!
All the flying clubs I know of pay the instructor for the supervision they do. At the end of the day the instructor's licence is being 'used' by the student. He has to be on site, or in the ATZ if anything goes wrong. And it's our butt that gets kidded if all hell breaks loose.
Honest Frank please have some respect for our highly under paid and deserved profession.
I take pride in my instructing!
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We went through this a couple of months ago and Timothy Denyer (FCL,Gatwick) ruled that a multi-leg x/country was only one supervised flight for the purpose of removing the restriction.
I agree with the remarks about being paid for supervised flights. Although I am not in the aircraft, I have to be instantly available should the need arise and so I should not be doing anything else during the solo flight. Sadly that is no longer the case where I teach.
It seems that either the student pays dual for student solo flights or he/she pays solo and the instructor doesn't get anything. Ho hum.
I agree with the remarks about being paid for supervised flights. Although I am not in the aircraft, I have to be instantly available should the need arise and so I should not be doing anything else during the solo flight. Sadly that is no longer the case where I teach.
It seems that either the student pays dual for student solo flights or he/she pays solo and the instructor doesn't get anything. Ho hum.
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I still have a current FI rating but no longer instruct due to the beckoning airlines.
The school at which I used to instruct would charge the student DUAL rates.Yes I agree with all the supervising business.But what about the (and its been quoted before)"underpaid" instructor-Of which I was one.I would find myself, as I have said before, sitting on the deck with my thumb up my arse-"supervising" but not getting a penny for it even though the company was charging the student for my time.
For those who are paid for "supervising"-
How are you paid?
Hourly rate or what?
It was worse when working part-time and only receiving flight pay(no basic)
Im not insulting anyone just being honest & frank.
The school at which I used to instruct would charge the student DUAL rates.Yes I agree with all the supervising business.But what about the (and its been quoted before)"underpaid" instructor-Of which I was one.I would find myself, as I have said before, sitting on the deck with my thumb up my arse-"supervising" but not getting a penny for it even though the company was charging the student for my time.
For those who are paid for "supervising"-
How are you paid?
Hourly rate or what?
It was worse when working part-time and only receiving flight pay(no basic)
Im not insulting anyone just being honest & frank.
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We pay our instructors $20.80 per hour of supervised solo, including supervision of GFPT students. The student pays $15.00 an hour less when the instructor hops out.
(That's aussie dollars.)
(That's aussie dollars.)
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Honest Frank... I have just re read this and believe I have misunderstood you (sorry)
At my club we get paid by the hour and the stude pays dual rate. If we send a stude solo then he/she pays dual and we get paid as normal.
Having said all that we do NOT get paid for briefings (not even the long ones).
Hourly rate 12 pounds.
One day I will have a real job!?!?
Keep smilin
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The flying school I worked for is part of a large group of schools based around the M25 who are well known for ripping off the instructors.
There was one individual who springs to mind who used to do as much dual flying as was possible then palm the student onto other instructors to send solo.Before the intro of JAR it was possible (as you may of been aware)to have a student finish their solo flying after the GFT.This guy would take full advantage of this.All his students would have under 1 hours solo before the GFT .Obviously not good for the student for many reasons but it happened-all because the FI's were not paid to supervise.
I'm glad you get paid at your respective schools as you need every help you can get.
There was one individual who springs to mind who used to do as much dual flying as was possible then palm the student onto other instructors to send solo.Before the intro of JAR it was possible (as you may of been aware)to have a student finish their solo flying after the GFT.This guy would take full advantage of this.All his students would have under 1 hours solo before the GFT .Obviously not good for the student for many reasons but it happened-all because the FI's were not paid to supervise.
I'm glad you get paid at your respective schools as you need every help you can get.
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Well our Timothy disposed of my restriction and I claimed three supervisory flights for a students QXC. Does that mean I'm teaching illegally? Ooo, how exciting. Operating outside of the law, a maverick flying instructor who lived by his own rules - "those pen pushing, blotter jotter, bureacrats from City Hall will never stop me." - If you need help learning to PFL, and if you can find him, maybee you can hire "The Welshman" <cue A-team soundtrack>.
In a rather odd mood tonight.
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Spanish bandits!
But seriously it’s a silly system; collect your signatures before you can send first solos. How does sending 25 post first solos suddenly allow you to send a first solo?
Surely 100 hours instructing and a good brief from an FI on sending first solos would be more sensible. But I’m not bitter 3/25 collected in one year. Too many IMC students!
It is odd that I can pop down the road, stick roundels on my Single Engine Piston and send 16 year olds off into the blue yonder on their first solos.
Silllllllly, very silly!
But seriously it’s a silly system; collect your signatures before you can send first solos. How does sending 25 post first solos suddenly allow you to send a first solo?
Surely 100 hours instructing and a good brief from an FI on sending first solos would be more sensible. But I’m not bitter 3/25 collected in one year. Too many IMC students!
It is odd that I can pop down the road, stick roundels on my Single Engine Piston and send 16 year olds off into the blue yonder on their first solos.
Silllllllly, very silly!
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I dont think its a bad system when
you compare it with what went before
Its all about MENTORING ie the senior
FI is validating that the FI(R) has
experience in ab-initio instruction
and so is the student
In the past an AFI could have upgraded
and in theory taught only upper
air work and been granted privileges
which had not been validated
you compare it with what went before
Its all about MENTORING ie the senior
FI is validating that the FI(R) has
experience in ab-initio instruction
and so is the student
In the past an AFI could have upgraded
and in theory taught only upper
air work and been granted privileges
which had not been validated
