Brazil Begins Fingerprinting U.S. Travelers
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Maybe the Brasilians won't upgrade anytime soon to high tech fingerprint scanners. Visiting U.S. citizens will not only be delayed at immigration, but will continue to get black ink on their fingers. Irritated citizens will be inclined to call their congressmen and senators to complain about the far reaching effects of this immigration reciprocity. The Bush administration's bullying immigration policy applied to selective countries is embarrassing.
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If there is paranoia, it isn't appearent, U.S. flts are full. I have found the TSA, INS and others to be very courteous. I have seen the hassle the arrogant and "don't bother me" ones, that happens every were.
The U.S. media is well known for miss information, missleading and wrong information and sensationalizing, there are many spoofs on American TV on this. If you don't know this, you live under a rock.
If you think that it is funny that a killer of many innocent peoples name slipped through U.S. INS, you have a problem.
The war on terror may or may not be winnable, but we have to try.
No one goes to a country that has a VAT system looking for consumer goods, prices are already over inflated, especially the fun stuff.
Critics of the United States seem to forget that when in need, no matter who or were, the United States will be the first to offer and render assistance. Nothing is ever asked for in return.
Brazil can do what they want, I don't think to many Americans really give a s--t. They will need U.S. assistance and they will still get it.
If there is paranoia, it isn't appearent, U.S. flts are full. I have found the TSA, INS and others to be very courteous. I have seen the hassle the arrogant and "don't bother me" ones, that happens every were.
The U.S. media is well known for miss information, missleading and wrong information and sensationalizing, there are many spoofs on American TV on this. If you don't know this, you live under a rock.
If you think that it is funny that a killer of many innocent peoples name slipped through U.S. INS, you have a problem.
The war on terror may or may not be winnable, but we have to try.
No one goes to a country that has a VAT system looking for consumer goods, prices are already over inflated, especially the fun stuff.
Critics of the United States seem to forget that when in need, no matter who or were, the United States will be the first to offer and render assistance. Nothing is ever asked for in return.
Brazil can do what they want, I don't think to many Americans really give a s--t. They will need U.S. assistance and they will still get it.
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crack up: The problem isn't in the States, as U.S. Immigration has high tech computerized finger printing scanners. The problem is for U.S. citizens arriving at GRU. Go there and stand in line an extra 2+ hours, waiting to get black ink on your fingers.
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...not so sure about the computerized system. When I arrived in SAT from MEX last week, it took 1:30 to clear immigration. The compurized system did not cooperate and then I had to wait to get a special stamp in my passport. 
It was actually a good Mexican friend who told me that the VAT is refundable. You should have seen this place before Christmas. Crazy!
crack up I don't think the whole issue is funny at all. The only fact is that future-criminals with no previous criminal history won't be detected by the system. Finally, I would think twice about "nothing is ever asked for in return". I have never seen this anywhere. Politics is not that simple...
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It was actually a good Mexican friend who told me that the VAT is refundable. You should have seen this place before Christmas. Crazy!
crack up I don't think the whole issue is funny at all. The only fact is that future-criminals with no previous criminal history won't be detected by the system. Finally, I would think twice about "nothing is ever asked for in return". I have never seen this anywhere. Politics is not that simple...
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You're right, they won't detect people with no previous criminal history, but they will detect and fill up files with all "potential terrorists", read here any people from North Africa, Middle East, Pakistan, Malaysia.... I don't see why US citizens should get offended to be treated like everybody arriving in the US is treated.
OK US is trying to protect their people from terrorists threats... maybe not that much. Everybody knows that every airplanes are no-smoking airplane. So why matches and lighters are not on the list of the forbidden items in airplane, as the nail-cutter they took out from my pocket (very dangerous a nail-cutter!). What is the point to have matches, the last person who lighted fire in a airplane was Richard Reed... seems like the Tobacco lobbies wants you to be able to light your cigarets when you get out of your plane (cause you cannot wait more after 8-10h flights without cigaret)... security doesn't weight much in front of money-political interests.
By the way, I must have been lucky, but when I got in MIA with my visa to finish my flight training, I had a very nice person at the custom, and this was a little more than one year ago.
OK US is trying to protect their people from terrorists threats... maybe not that much. Everybody knows that every airplanes are no-smoking airplane. So why matches and lighters are not on the list of the forbidden items in airplane, as the nail-cutter they took out from my pocket (very dangerous a nail-cutter!). What is the point to have matches, the last person who lighted fire in a airplane was Richard Reed... seems like the Tobacco lobbies wants you to be able to light your cigarets when you get out of your plane (cause you cannot wait more after 8-10h flights without cigaret)... security doesn't weight much in front of money-political interests.
By the way, I must have been lucky, but when I got in MIA with my visa to finish my flight training, I had a very nice person at the custom, and this was a little more than one year ago.
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Well sometimes the U.S. asks for a little of their own Medicine. If they had their heads out of their collectives asses at Homeland Security they would profile the bad guys, stop this PC Bullsh1t and this would not happen...But the courts here have gone nuttso trying to appease everyone. They have Lawyers out to protect Lawyers who are protecting Lawyers..
Its no wonder the world is in a turmoil.
Yes the Brazilans have a bit of 'In your face" which is good for the media, but will cost them Tourist Dollars. Thats sad as I understand its very beautiful down there.
P.S. Do any of you really believe the bad guys have ever been fingerprinted?? If so who has the database for comparison...ha ha
Its no wonder the world is in a turmoil.
Yes the Brazilans have a bit of 'In your face" which is good for the media, but will cost them Tourist Dollars. Thats sad as I understand its very beautiful down there.
P.S. Do any of you really believe the bad guys have ever been fingerprinted?? If so who has the database for comparison...ha ha
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A friend I meet in America sent me this link:
http://members.cox.net/classicweb/email.htm
I think it covers the issue.
TTF
http://members.cox.net/classicweb/email.htm
I think it covers the issue.
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I have not forgotten 9/11 but I am not sure that it justifies all this massive fingerprinting paranoia. How do I know that my prints and data are not being misused?
I disagree with "The only way to be secure is never to be safe". That is a perfect excuse for a government to apply Orwell's 1984 methods.
I disagree with "The only way to be secure is never to be safe". That is a perfect excuse for a government to apply Orwell's 1984 methods.
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Squawk writes: "I disagree with "The only way to be secure is never to be safe". That is a perfect excuse for a government to apply Orwell's 1984 methods."
Have to agree a bit with this and it can be said there is a lot of jumping through the hoop nowadays. Sort of the old saying "like a chicken running around with its head cut off." Nail clipper scare etc. New Rules, and the "Patriot Act" as if your not a Patriot if you disagree.
We have to watch the path we travel as we have asked for our problems here, by allowing them to get here in the first place.
Sort of a question as to how much to we want to give up to be secure. Me I dont want to give up anything, but I do want things secure. We wont get that by playing PC, only by playing hardball with the bad guys.
Have to agree a bit with this and it can be said there is a lot of jumping through the hoop nowadays. Sort of the old saying "like a chicken running around with its head cut off." Nail clipper scare etc. New Rules, and the "Patriot Act" as if your not a Patriot if you disagree.
We have to watch the path we travel as we have asked for our problems here, by allowing them to get here in the first place.
Sort of a question as to how much to we want to give up to be secure. Me I dont want to give up anything, but I do want things secure. We wont get that by playing PC, only by playing hardball with the bad guys.
