British Airways vs. BASSA (current Airline Staff Only)
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Naming individuals on BASSA forum
As a current BA cabin crew member, and one who went to work having voted 'NO', I am totally disgusted that someone such as DH, ie a person who has been dismissed from the company, can name people on a website which enables people to have anonymity if they so choose. Why didn't I join BASSA? Oh yes, I remember now!!!!
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Is it at all possible that DH is in breach of his own union's codes for such an action? I know the Unite Rulebook is easily downloaded from their website. I'm guessing the BASSA constitution is only available to members. I'm just wondering whether his intimidatory tactic towards this individual could be construed, formally, as conduct unbecoming a senior officer of the union?
Haven't time to check myself - just off out of the door but might prove interesting especially as DH seems to consider himself exempted from all normal codes of practice.
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Haven't time to check myself - just off out of the door but might prove interesting especially as DH seems to consider himself exempted from all normal codes of practice.
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Odd isn't it that the bullying that BASSA accuse the company of, the intimidation and bullying that so few of the rest of us have ever seen, is displayed so openly by the very person who wishes his membership to vote for IA.
Openly intimidatory tactics and verbal bullying from a paid member of Unite?
Oooops.
Openly intimidatory tactics and verbal bullying from a paid member of Unite?
Oooops.
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The outing by DH of an anonymous contributor on the BASSA forum is beyond the pale and further proof that he is totally out of control. His actions should send shivers down the spine of every BASSA member.
Tony Woodley and Derek Simpson need to get a grip and take control of this.
Tony Woodley and Derek Simpson need to get a grip and take control of this.
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Probably the only sensible solution to this whole sorry mess is to eject BASSA from the Unite conglomerate. As the membership dwindles in the face of such obnoxious actions from the BASSA board the Unite union needs to decide whether BASSA is a credible, functioning body.
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Wobblestum.
The only sensible thing to do is to eject BALPA from the TUC, for providing strike breakers and getting involved in another union's legitimate dispute.
I have not been on the BASSA forum lately, but will have a look. There are posters here who copy and paste directly from the BASSA forum. We know who these people are, but no action has been taken as yet to eject them. I am sure that no one would want to see that interpreted as bullying or harassment by BASSA.
There is not much point taking the subs off of members if they are out to do as much damage as possible to the organisation. Once they have been identified, then chuck them out. In the past there has not been enough discipline, with some crew ignoring agreements selfishly to do their own thing, to the detriment of the majority.
Fortunately there is now a receptacle for such characters....it is called the PCCC
The only sensible thing to do is to eject BALPA from the TUC, for providing strike breakers and getting involved in another union's legitimate dispute.
I have not been on the BASSA forum lately, but will have a look. There are posters here who copy and paste directly from the BASSA forum. We know who these people are, but no action has been taken as yet to eject them. I am sure that no one would want to see that interpreted as bullying or harassment by BASSA.
There is not much point taking the subs off of members if they are out to do as much damage as possible to the organisation. Once they have been identified, then chuck them out. In the past there has not been enough discipline, with some crew ignoring agreements selfishly to do their own thing, to the detriment of the majority.
Fortunately there is now a receptacle for such characters....it is called the PCCC
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You are a laugh.
Who decides when a member should be outed in an anonymous forum?
Who decides when a member should be asked to leave Bassa?
Just wondered if Bassa has all these procedures in place and has followed them in the unfortunate case of Purser xxxxx xxxxx above?
Or is it just DH who is judge jury and executioner?
I think we should be told.
Who decides when a member should be outed in an anonymous forum?
Who decides when a member should be asked to leave Bassa?
Just wondered if Bassa has all these procedures in place and has followed them in the unfortunate case of Purser xxxxx xxxxx above?
Or is it just DH who is judge jury and executioner?
I think we should be told.
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For crying out loud Hector, it wasn't the pilots who broke the strike. It was long-serving, fully fledged CABIN CREW.
We came to work. 80% of us. We don't agree with BASSA, we don't agree with DH, we don't agree with you.
We like our jobs, we like BA and we want to continue working here. We want to feed our families, pay our mortgages and use our staff travel to see the world. Working one down was never going to kill us, so we came to work. I came to work during all 3 strike phases - the only pilots I saw were operating on the flight deck. I worked with one VCC from Waterside the entire time.
We think BASSA have behaved despicably and we are pleased that BA are taking such a hardline against bullying and intimidation. This latest outrage from DH naming and shaming people shows how low this man is prepared to go. It also demonstrates why the PCCC have remained anonymous - can you imagine what it would be like if one of us PCCC members got on a flight working with the BASSA mob, and they knew who we are? Their behaviour is so unpredictable, which is why we have remained professional and anonymous to avoid any trouble. We are a peaceful, law-abiding, hard-working and respectful organisation - everything they are not.
The writing is on the wall now Hector. For you, for BASSA and for everyone else who stills funds this sorry affair. BASSA members have had plenty of opportunity to get out of this mess - they could have accepted the latest offer and walked away with some dignity intact. By not doing so, they have now sealed their own fate.
Any BASSA member now remains in the Union at their own risk.
I am BA cabin crew and this is my own viewpoint and not that of BA.
We came to work. 80% of us. We don't agree with BASSA, we don't agree with DH, we don't agree with you.
We like our jobs, we like BA and we want to continue working here. We want to feed our families, pay our mortgages and use our staff travel to see the world. Working one down was never going to kill us, so we came to work. I came to work during all 3 strike phases - the only pilots I saw were operating on the flight deck. I worked with one VCC from Waterside the entire time.
We think BASSA have behaved despicably and we are pleased that BA are taking such a hardline against bullying and intimidation. This latest outrage from DH naming and shaming people shows how low this man is prepared to go. It also demonstrates why the PCCC have remained anonymous - can you imagine what it would be like if one of us PCCC members got on a flight working with the BASSA mob, and they knew who we are? Their behaviour is so unpredictable, which is why we have remained professional and anonymous to avoid any trouble. We are a peaceful, law-abiding, hard-working and respectful organisation - everything they are not.
The writing is on the wall now Hector. For you, for BASSA and for everyone else who stills funds this sorry affair. BASSA members have had plenty of opportunity to get out of this mess - they could have accepted the latest offer and walked away with some dignity intact. By not doing so, they have now sealed their own fate.
Any BASSA member now remains in the Union at their own risk.
I am BA cabin crew and this is my own viewpoint and not that of BA.
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I do like the changing of names Hector, how long until you run out of purile changes?
You love to blame anyone except the BASSA board who called ill thpught out IA at the wrong time for the wrong reasons. Then, when everyone else pulled together to ensure the company would be in a position to recover quickly ( thus ensuring our futures) BASSA claims they are the only ones who clalled it correctly. Convieniently forgetting that IFcE achieved some rationalisation through imposition.
The only way as, something that most parents know, children who consistently refuse to act their age need to have reasonable rules imposed on them.
I was VCC, I wasn't used. There were too many regular CC working and that lead to an increase in aircraft to which I could return to do my day job.
As the Flight Crew CAP is going up we seem to be running more and more services in preparation for the next BASSA spat.
Enjoy it while you can. The CC deserve proper representation, something that BASSA has consistently failed to do (at least they are consistent in something).
You love to blame anyone except the BASSA board who called ill thpught out IA at the wrong time for the wrong reasons. Then, when everyone else pulled together to ensure the company would be in a position to recover quickly ( thus ensuring our futures) BASSA claims they are the only ones who clalled it correctly. Convieniently forgetting that IFcE achieved some rationalisation through imposition.
The only way as, something that most parents know, children who consistently refuse to act their age need to have reasonable rules imposed on them.
I was VCC, I wasn't used. There were too many regular CC working and that lead to an increase in aircraft to which I could return to do my day job.
As the Flight Crew CAP is going up we seem to be running more and more services in preparation for the next BASSA spat.
Enjoy it while you can. The CC deserve proper representation, something that BASSA has consistently failed to do (at least they are consistent in something).
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Originally Posted by Hector Vector
The only sensible thing to do is to eject BALPA from the TUC, for providing strike breakers and getting involved in another union's legitimate dispute.
I have not been on the BASSA forum lately, but will have a look.
There are posters here who copy and paste directly from the BASSA forum. We know who these people are, but no action has been taken as yet to eject them.
. You can't eject those people because you've no idea who they are. BASSA doesn't even know who's a member at the moment!
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Hector Vector,
What is your problem with the very flight crew and their union, that each time you and all the Bassa followers go to work, you entrust them with your lives.
I would suggest that if you regard for them is so low then instead of trusting them with your life, you distance yourself and leave what is clearly such a poor employer.
As for strike breakers, as you have been reminded these were mainly Unite members, mostly Bassa members too and many other factions of unite, so by your suggestion unite and Bassa should eject themselves from the TUC. See how your statement holds no water ???.
All the energy that has been wasted by Unite/Bassa blaming everyone around them rather than taking a grown up approach to this issues raised by BA 2 years ago have got you where you are now, backed into a very dark corner.
As for DH publishing a members details on a public forum, this could open him up to all sorts of private litigation. Look again at this "leader" and ask is it any surprise the union were not able to defend his actions during his dismissal procedure with BA and why he now finds himself a former BA employee.
This will sadly be a learning tool for all future union reps training, when covering " how to destroy a union and its reputaion"
You must have a rock solid compromise solution to this dispute, so what is it?,
Im expecting to see:
Sack Willie
CSD off the trolley
Crew member back
Bonus scheme, like the pilots( but without their pay cut)
staff travel back
Sacked members back
No new fleet
and for good measure a well deserved pay rise ???.
None of which will happen !!!!!!
What is your problem with the very flight crew and their union, that each time you and all the Bassa followers go to work, you entrust them with your lives.
I would suggest that if you regard for them is so low then instead of trusting them with your life, you distance yourself and leave what is clearly such a poor employer.
As for strike breakers, as you have been reminded these were mainly Unite members, mostly Bassa members too and many other factions of unite, so by your suggestion unite and Bassa should eject themselves from the TUC. See how your statement holds no water ???.
All the energy that has been wasted by Unite/Bassa blaming everyone around them rather than taking a grown up approach to this issues raised by BA 2 years ago have got you where you are now, backed into a very dark corner.
As for DH publishing a members details on a public forum, this could open him up to all sorts of private litigation. Look again at this "leader" and ask is it any surprise the union were not able to defend his actions during his dismissal procedure with BA and why he now finds himself a former BA employee.
This will sadly be a learning tool for all future union reps training, when covering " how to destroy a union and its reputaion"
You must have a rock solid compromise solution to this dispute, so what is it?,
Im expecting to see:
Sack Willie
CSD off the trolley
Crew member back
Bonus scheme, like the pilots( but without their pay cut)
staff travel back
Sacked members back
No new fleet
and for good measure a well deserved pay rise ???.
None of which will happen !!!!!!
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The only sensible thing to do is to eject BALPA from the TUC, for providing strike breakers and getting involved in another union's legitimate dispute.
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Well I am totally shocked that Duncan Holley has been allowed to post like this on an anonymous BASSA sight. It is bullying in it's worst form.
What he does not seem to understand is that many BASSA members don't post, they just read the posts, often frightened to post because they feel that, although the forum is anonymous, they know that BASSA will know who they are. Many people just read it and it is these moderate members who will be the most shocked by this. Hopefully some of them might actually realise what they are dealing with and resign.
I really hope that this WW Purser will not get a hard time on the aircraft from BASSA strikers. Hopefully thoes like me who did not strike will help protect him. I feel very sorry for him. I hope the Unite leadership get to hear about this. I hope this Purser puts in a formal complaint.
What he does not seem to understand is that many BASSA members don't post, they just read the posts, often frightened to post because they feel that, although the forum is anonymous, they know that BASSA will know who they are. Many people just read it and it is these moderate members who will be the most shocked by this. Hopefully some of them might actually realise what they are dealing with and resign.
I really hope that this WW Purser will not get a hard time on the aircraft from BASSA strikers. Hopefully thoes like me who did not strike will help protect him. I feel very sorry for him. I hope the Unite leadership get to hear about this. I hope this Purser puts in a formal complaint.
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And don't mention the PCCC on the BASSA forum or else.......
Discussion about the "pseudo" alternate cabin crew representative body is forbidden under Forum Rules.
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What we are witnessing with Duncan's wholly unwarranted outing of a BASSA forum member is the unedifying sight of someone who has held a considerable (and disproportionate) amount of power for 13 years doing all he can to exercise whatever power is left as the end is in sight.
This is not pretty to watch and I fear there is worse to come.
If I was still in BASSA I would get out now (quietly and quickly). Who knows what could be next.
This is not pretty to watch and I fear there is worse to come.
If I was still in BASSA I would get out now (quietly and quickly). Who knows what could be next.
Perhaps the cult is beginning to build up for the final suicidal frenzy?
When the Wall Street Journal describes this fiasco as "Is BASSA an Unruly Child for Unite in British Airways Row?", then you know that a wider audience is aware of BASSA's childish tantrums for what they are:
Is BASSA an Unruly Child for Unite in British Airways Row? - The Source - WSJ
It brings back unpleasant memories of Jim Jones and his cult in Guyana, which claimed a lot of innocents, but it may just be better for the wider good if BASSA hurries on with consuming itself in it's quest for a suicidal end.
When the Wall Street Journal describes this fiasco as "Is BASSA an Unruly Child for Unite in British Airways Row?", then you know that a wider audience is aware of BASSA's childish tantrums for what they are:
Cleaning up BASSA’s mess, Unite was forced to remind cabin crew:
“If you are dismissed while taking unofficial industrial action, you will have no right to complain of unfair dismissal. If you fail to work normally, you will be taking part in unofficial action.”
“If you are dismissed while taking unofficial industrial action, you will have no right to complain of unfair dismissal. If you fail to work normally, you will be taking part in unofficial action.”
It brings back unpleasant memories of Jim Jones and his cult in Guyana, which claimed a lot of innocents, but it may just be better for the wider good if BASSA hurries on with consuming itself in it's quest for a suicidal end.