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Industrial action was carried out by the cabin crew members who are members of Unite. It is a legal human right to take industrial action - even in the form of strike action. It is also illegal to be singled out and penalised for taking such action. The cabin crew community have been "Backing BA" for years, before it became a populist pathetic mantra!!!
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troublemakers??
Yes- let's get rid of all the "troublemakers" - there is a small problem though! The "troublemakers" run into thousands. I think a re-think is in order otherwise who will serve our Customers.
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It is also illegal to be singled out and penalised for taking such action
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Yes- let's get rid of all the "troublemakers" - there is a small problem though! The "troublemakers" run into thousands. I think a re-think is in order otherwise who will serve our Customers.
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I think the results from yesterday speak volumes, the 'troublemakers' that run into thousands would be roughly 3419 I'm guessing. Less than 10% of the entire workforce. The same workforce that are tired and fed up with the pointless and reckless actions of the mindless minority.
We've all had enough, either accept the offer which is much better than any of could have expected under the circumstances or leave. Surely you don't want to work for a company you hate so much? The rest of us want to get on with putting our customers first and putting BA back at the top of it's game!
I think the results from yesterday speak volumes, the 'troublemakers' that run into thousands would be roughly 3419 I'm guessing. Less than 10% of the entire workforce. The same workforce that are tired and fed up with the pointless and reckless actions of the mindless minority.
We've all had enough, either accept the offer which is much better than any of could have expected under the circumstances or leave. Surely you don't want to work for a company you hate so much? The rest of us want to get on with putting our customers first and putting BA back at the top of it's game!
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All the press reports I have read emphasise the minority of staff who have rejected the deal.
This is the first time this has been made so obvious to the average Joe in the street.
Poor old Joe must be wondering what the fuss is all about.
This is the first time this has been made so obvious to the average Joe in the street.
Poor old Joe must be wondering what the fuss is all about.
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Whilst I agree with your sentiments I feel that not enough of the Cabin Crew are taking these ballots seriously.
Within a democratic voting system a non vote (otherwise known as an apathy vote) where the ballot is not returned is considered a vote in favour of the balloted item.
Perhaps if the apathetic part of the Cabin Crew Community could agree that if they truly are against the destructive actions of BASSA then they need to portray that by returning a strong NO vote thus nipping this idiocy in the bud.
The power lies in your hands.
Within a democratic voting system a non vote (otherwise known as an apathy vote) where the ballot is not returned is considered a vote in favour of the balloted item.
Perhaps if the apathetic part of the Cabin Crew Community could agree that if they truly are against the destructive actions of BASSA then they need to portray that by returning a strong NO vote thus nipping this idiocy in the bud.
The power lies in your hands.
Wirbelsturm - I believe that you and some others here have misunderstood what has actually happened. I can fully understand that. The way I see it is that over 11000 votes were sent out by Unite. Yet Bassa themselves admit on their website they have only 9750 members at the moment ( I believe it to be much less ) I know so many crew who have resigned from the union YET received a ballot. I did, but chose not to get involved, as I believe around 3000+ others who didn't. Also it seems from the Bassa website,yes I've still got access too!!!, that a lot of the euro commuters never got a ballot paper in time.
So its not apathy I can assure you. The BIG problem now is that so many crew have resigned that a YES vote to strike is IMO a fait accompli. The only thing to stop it is that Unite/Bassa are so much up
street with their admin that a lot of crew 'could' vote next time who aren't technically still in the union. This is why I believe the strike ballot when called will have more holes in it than a large piece of Emmental!!
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King Dunc's latest scribe - still seems to be going on about those bloody tomatoes and his eating habits!!
CYCLES" by Duncan
Jul 21st, 2010 by admin
Hi everyone, some important developments over the last few days that seemed worthy of a “blog” or message from me, if only to let you know I am still around.
Firstly, the important things. Tomatoes! You will all be pleased to know my 9 plants have blossomed in the post-Bedfont warm summer and it is now struggle to get into the greenhouse. I reckon I shall start harvesting in a week so it is salad for breakfast, lunch and dinner!
Talking about salads, an update on my post Bedfont diet. I was determined to lose the Bedfont bulge so, immediately after the last day of action, I weighed myself - 13st 10lbs. Horrified the diet started that day, No fat Greek yoghurt and fruit for breakfast, salad for lunch (low fat salad dressing of course), and grilled fish for dinner. I stuck rigorously to this for 3 weeks and encouraged by Louise took up jogging again. Full of expectation I then got on the scales. Bloody hell - you could have knocked me down with a feather, I was still 13st 10lbs! I was convinced the scales must have got stuck or I was in a time warp, but no all that work and not one pound lost. I guess it is an age thing or perhaps as Louise has suggested, “an alcohol thing”. Looks like when this dispute nightmare is ended the next battle will have to include giving up or at least cutting down on the beer/cider.
For the last 24 hours part of an old Frank Sinatra song that I have on my juke-box has been going around my head. It’s called “Cycles” and the final verse contains these lines
“ but I’ll keep my head up high
although I’m kind of tired,
my gal just upped and left last week
Friday I got fired.
You know it’s almost funny,
But things can’t get worse than now, so I’ll keep on trying to sing
But please don’t ask me how”.
Well yesterday wasn’t Friday but the final nail in my 35 year BA career coffin was hammered home as I received the letter that told me my final appeal had been turned down. It really is quite sobering to realise BA have been able to sack me simply because I chose to prioritise critical union work over flying, in the middle of a dispute.
10 years ago I would have not envisaged that being allowed to happen but we live in strange times and under different regimes (BA, UNITE). It seems that the job of BASSA branch secretary is a dangerous one as Mike Coleman, my predecessor was also sacked by BA in the same year as a dispute (1997). BA never change their spots!
I have an employment tribunal booked for February but BA are sparing no expense in hiring the top lawyers in opposing my claim. My expectations (having revised my opinion of the judiciary over the last 12 months) are not high. However on the bright side, unlike Frank “my gal has not upped and left” ...........yet!
But as another song goes, I have no regrets, I would do it exactly the same way. We simply cannot have BA dictating to us how and when our important union work should be done. If the big Union leaders accept that principle then they might as well pack their bags and go back to the world of free wills and cheap life insurance. We are all at the crossroads. They need to take that on board and quickly.
BA and Walsh are far more powerful and ruthless than previous BA regimes. They have assiduously "courted" the media and convinced the City that dismantling the union is the only option if costs are to be cut to help profits and bonuses to be raised.
The whole trade union movement is watching our situation with baited breath. I was invited to speak at a lecture in the House of Commons on Monday night and in attendance were leaders of other trade unions such as RMT, the Firemen’s union, Communication Workers and Prison Officers and they all sent their best wishes to BA striking cabin crew and told me how much respect they had for us because we are standing up to the big corporate bully. Their admiration for you all was quite humbling and almost frightening because their future they believe is in your hands with this dispute. (I know, I gulped hard too!)
They were as keen to learn the result of yesterday’s consultative ballot as we were. There has since been talk of a disappointing turn out but it was no surprise to us. Crew are sick of ballots and this was the second one on a deal that was very similar to the first. You said no then and now, by a 2 to 1 majority, you have said no again, and this time without the urging of BASSA. Had we not remained neutral the vote and the turn out would have added another 15% and we would be back where we were last February. Plus, the lie insultingly peddled by Walsh that crew only say no because BASSA tell them to has been buried for good. So the battle goes on - it has to, as yet there is no acceptable alternative. BASSA is still here, slightly underground maybe but very much here and ready for the task ahead.
Finally, now I have “been terminated” I know there are many of you I may not meet again (don’t worry you can put your Vera Lynn records away). I have said this before but I want to say it again - you (ie BA cabin crew) have all been an integral and massive part of my life. It has been an absolute pleasure to fly with you, an absolute delight to party with you and more recently an absolute privilege to represent you. I will never forget you or my life among you.
Bedfont brought it home to me just how great a community cabin crew are - long may, no hang on a moment, long WILL that continue.
Regards Duncan
Poor Dunc seems to be losing his memory again. Mike Coleman was sacked for hitting a CC89 rep in front of I heard at the time around 40 witnesses. I always said at the time that the 97 strike was in fact about getting back at BA for sacking Mr. Coleman. As an aside, met someone recently who had Mr Coleman on a flight a few weeks ago. Seems he still enjoys ST then.
And so I leave you with another classic from ol'blue eyes, some of the words of which should echo in DH's ears!!
And now the end is near
And so I face the final curtain
My friend I'll say it clear
I'll state my case of which I'm certain
I've lived a life that's full
I traveled each and every highway
And more, much more than this
I did it my way
Regrets I've had a few
But then again too few to mention
I did what I had to do
And saw it through without exemption
I planned each charted course
Each careful step along the byway
And more, much more than this
I did it my way
Yes there were times I'm sure you knew
When I bit off more than I could chew
But through it all when there was doubt
I ate it up and spit it out, I faced it all
And I stood tall and did it my way
I've loved, I've laughed and cried
I've had my fill, my share of losing
And now as tears subside
I find it all so amusing
To think I did all that
And may I say not in a shy way
Oh no, oh no, not me
I did it my way
For what is a man what has he got
If not himself then he has not
To say the things he truly feels
And not the words of one who kneels
The record shows I took the blows
And did it my way
Yes it was my way
CYCLES" by Duncan
Jul 21st, 2010 by admin
Hi everyone, some important developments over the last few days that seemed worthy of a “blog” or message from me, if only to let you know I am still around. Firstly, the important things. Tomatoes! You will all be pleased to know my 9 plants have blossomed in the post-Bedfont warm summer and it is now struggle to get into the greenhouse. I reckon I shall start harvesting in a week so it is salad for breakfast, lunch and dinner!
Talking about salads, an update on my post Bedfont diet. I was determined to lose the Bedfont bulge so, immediately after the last day of action, I weighed myself - 13st 10lbs. Horrified the diet started that day, No fat Greek yoghurt and fruit for breakfast, salad for lunch (low fat salad dressing of course), and grilled fish for dinner. I stuck rigorously to this for 3 weeks and encouraged by Louise took up jogging again. Full of expectation I then got on the scales. Bloody hell - you could have knocked me down with a feather, I was still 13st 10lbs! I was convinced the scales must have got stuck or I was in a time warp, but no all that work and not one pound lost. I guess it is an age thing or perhaps as Louise has suggested, “an alcohol thing”. Looks like when this dispute nightmare is ended the next battle will have to include giving up or at least cutting down on the beer/cider.
For the last 24 hours part of an old Frank Sinatra song that I have on my juke-box has been going around my head. It’s called “Cycles” and the final verse contains these lines
“ but I’ll keep my head up high
although I’m kind of tired,
my gal just upped and left last week
Friday I got fired.
You know it’s almost funny,
But things can’t get worse than now, so I’ll keep on trying to sing
But please don’t ask me how”.
Well yesterday wasn’t Friday but the final nail in my 35 year BA career coffin was hammered home as I received the letter that told me my final appeal had been turned down. It really is quite sobering to realise BA have been able to sack me simply because I chose to prioritise critical union work over flying, in the middle of a dispute.
10 years ago I would have not envisaged that being allowed to happen but we live in strange times and under different regimes (BA, UNITE). It seems that the job of BASSA branch secretary is a dangerous one as Mike Coleman, my predecessor was also sacked by BA in the same year as a dispute (1997). BA never change their spots!
I have an employment tribunal booked for February but BA are sparing no expense in hiring the top lawyers in opposing my claim. My expectations (having revised my opinion of the judiciary over the last 12 months) are not high. However on the bright side, unlike Frank “my gal has not upped and left” ...........yet!
But as another song goes, I have no regrets, I would do it exactly the same way. We simply cannot have BA dictating to us how and when our important union work should be done. If the big Union leaders accept that principle then they might as well pack their bags and go back to the world of free wills and cheap life insurance. We are all at the crossroads. They need to take that on board and quickly.
BA and Walsh are far more powerful and ruthless than previous BA regimes. They have assiduously "courted" the media and convinced the City that dismantling the union is the only option if costs are to be cut to help profits and bonuses to be raised.
The whole trade union movement is watching our situation with baited breath. I was invited to speak at a lecture in the House of Commons on Monday night and in attendance were leaders of other trade unions such as RMT, the Firemen’s union, Communication Workers and Prison Officers and they all sent their best wishes to BA striking cabin crew and told me how much respect they had for us because we are standing up to the big corporate bully. Their admiration for you all was quite humbling and almost frightening because their future they believe is in your hands with this dispute. (I know, I gulped hard too!)
They were as keen to learn the result of yesterday’s consultative ballot as we were. There has since been talk of a disappointing turn out but it was no surprise to us. Crew are sick of ballots and this was the second one on a deal that was very similar to the first. You said no then and now, by a 2 to 1 majority, you have said no again, and this time without the urging of BASSA. Had we not remained neutral the vote and the turn out would have added another 15% and we would be back where we were last February. Plus, the lie insultingly peddled by Walsh that crew only say no because BASSA tell them to has been buried for good. So the battle goes on - it has to, as yet there is no acceptable alternative. BASSA is still here, slightly underground maybe but very much here and ready for the task ahead.
Finally, now I have “been terminated” I know there are many of you I may not meet again (don’t worry you can put your Vera Lynn records away). I have said this before but I want to say it again - you (ie BA cabin crew) have all been an integral and massive part of my life. It has been an absolute pleasure to fly with you, an absolute delight to party with you and more recently an absolute privilege to represent you. I will never forget you or my life among you.
Bedfont brought it home to me just how great a community cabin crew are - long may, no hang on a moment, long WILL that continue.
Regards Duncan
Poor Dunc seems to be losing his memory again. Mike Coleman was sacked for hitting a CC89 rep in front of I heard at the time around 40 witnesses. I always said at the time that the 97 strike was in fact about getting back at BA for sacking Mr. Coleman. As an aside, met someone recently who had Mr Coleman on a flight a few weeks ago. Seems he still enjoys ST then.
And so I leave you with another classic from ol'blue eyes, some of the words of which should echo in DH's ears!!
And now the end is near
And so I face the final curtain
My friend I'll say it clear
I'll state my case of which I'm certain
I've lived a life that's full
I traveled each and every highway
And more, much more than this
I did it my way
Regrets I've had a few
But then again too few to mention
I did what I had to do
And saw it through without exemption
I planned each charted course
Each careful step along the byway
And more, much more than this
I did it my way
Yes there were times I'm sure you knew
When I bit off more than I could chew
But through it all when there was doubt
I ate it up and spit it out, I faced it all
And I stood tall and did it my way
I've loved, I've laughed and cried
I've had my fill, my share of losing
And now as tears subside
I find it all so amusing
To think I did all that
And may I say not in a shy way
Oh no, oh no, not me
I did it my way
For what is a man what has he got
If not himself then he has not
To say the things he truly feels
And not the words of one who kneels
The record shows I took the blows
And did it my way
Yes it was my way
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Duncan said
So the battle goes on - it has to, as yet there is no acceptable alternative
'everyone knows an ant, cant,...move a rubber tree plant..!! I see an analogy here!
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It's OK - I will delete mine, yours is laid out better. It is no laughing matter when someone is sacked, but there are aspects of his posting which make one wonder...
for example
Surely the fellow must realise that if the employer says 'no, go to work' then disregarding that comes under gross misconduct? Or a meringue?
for example
It really is quite sobering to realise BA have been able to sack me simply because I chose to prioritise critical union work over flying, in the middle of a dispute.
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It's OK - I will delete mine, yours is laid out better. It is no laughing matter when someone is sacked, but there are aspects of his posting which make one wonder...
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It really is quite sobering to realise BA have been able to sack me simply because I chose to prioritise critical union work over flying, in the middle of a dispute.
Surely the fellow must realise that if the employer says 'no, go to work' then disregarding that comes under gross misconduct? Or a meringue?
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It really is quite sobering to realise BA have been able to sack me simply because I chose to prioritise critical union work over flying, in the middle of a dispute.
Surely the fellow must realise that if the employer says 'no, go to work' then disregarding that comes under gross misconduct? Or a meringue?
Thanks Strikemaster. Again DH's memory is going. He has forgotten that he also went onto radio 5 live as 'Richard' in Feb - Even I recognised his voice in 2 mins flat!! and then he seems to have forgotten the abusive texts he has sent to some crew who weren't toeing the party line
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Apologies if I caused offence with my previous post. I stand corrected if people can find other roles that utilise their customer facing skills and still pay as well as cabin crew earn. I also accept that it is a career for those who have progressed within it. The problem in the current economic climate is that a) there are not vast numbers of jobs to be had and b) employers are getting very particular about the skills they require. Whereas 10 or 20 years ago if you had 80% of the skill set employers would hire you on the basis that you would grow the remaining 20%, nowadays they look for candidates who have 100% coverage. Graduates are finding that the minimum most employers will countenance is a 2:1 which means an awful lot of people with degrees are in danger of winding up flipping burgers.
My comments were not meant to sound smug. I genuinely feel for anyone who after a reasonably lengthy period of service with an employer not only finds that advancement prospects are close to zero, but also that the role itself is being reshaped, potentially in ways that are detrimental to the individual. If you don't have skills that can readily transfered directly to another company or industry for an equivalent or better salary it is scary. I know as I've been in precisely that dilemma.
My comments were not meant to sound smug. I genuinely feel for anyone who after a reasonably lengthy period of service with an employer not only finds that advancement prospects are close to zero, but also that the role itself is being reshaped, potentially in ways that are detrimental to the individual. If you don't have skills that can readily transfered directly to another company or industry for an equivalent or better salary it is scary. I know as I've been in precisely that dilemma.
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JUAN TRIPP,
Thanks for that. What you say makes sense in many ways. Although, unfortunately, the general perception is that so many non returned votes are wasted votes from department members who could stop this damage in its tracks.
So, whilst I wholeheartedly agree that the BASSA paperwork is more corrupt than a mafia hard drive, the 'shop floor' see it as something that the sensible crew members can, and should, stop.
asperge,
Nice to see another CF member here to regurgitate the ol' BASSA mantra.
In other words I didn't turn up for the job I was paid for and, contracturally agreed to do, so they had the audacity to sack me as I was organising damaging industrial action against the company...... how very dare they!
Thanks for that. What you say makes sense in many ways. Although, unfortunately, the general perception is that so many non returned votes are wasted votes from department members who could stop this damage in its tracks.
So, whilst I wholeheartedly agree that the BASSA paperwork is more corrupt than a mafia hard drive, the 'shop floor' see it as something that the sensible crew members can, and should, stop.
asperge,
Nice to see another CF member here to regurgitate the ol' BASSA mantra.
BA have been able to sack me simply because I chose to prioritise critical union work over flying
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This vote was a huge waste of time as we knew the proposal would never be accepted. We have done nothing but given BA additional time to recruit and train further VCC. Instead of voting on this proposal, we should have balloted for industrial action and forced BA to negotiate seriously.
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Ava Hannah,
Welcome back, how was Jo'Burg?
Forgive me if I'm wrong but didn't BASSA send a letter to BA stating, quite clearly, and I can find the YouTube link somewhere if you wish, that they, BASSA, didn't want to negotiate?
The only reason for it being rejected is that the only ones who voted against it were the ones with the most to lose and the rest of the CC community, having left BASSA, couldn't be bothered any more.
You reap what you sow.
Welcome back, how was Jo'Burg?
we should have balloted for industrial action and forced BA to negotiate seriously.
Forgive me if I'm wrong but didn't BASSA send a letter to BA stating, quite clearly, and I can find the YouTube link somewhere if you wish, that they, BASSA, didn't want to negotiate?
The only reason for it being rejected is that the only ones who voted against it were the ones with the most to lose and the rest of the CC community, having left BASSA, couldn't be bothered any more.
You reap what you sow.
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Ava Hannah, Welcome back, how was Jo'Burg?
Forgive me if I'm wrong but didn't BASSA send a letter to BA stating, quite clearly, and I can find the YouTube link somewhere if you wish, that they, BASSA, didn't want to negotiate? The only reason for it being rejected is that the only ones who voted against it were the ones with the most to lose and the rest of the CC community, having left BASSA, couldn't be bothered any more.
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Interesting, you changed your post in the time it took me to refresh the page? Odd that you claimed, originally that people didn't have time, which would imply poor time management from the Union, no mention of it in your current post?
Wonder why?
Simple maths tells you that a minority (Approx 27%) are 'for' this action and the rest either aren't members of BASSA, can't be bothered or didn't receive the ballot in time.
Somewhat ironic, don't you think, that the numbers rejecting the deal
happen to be about the same number as those who lost staff travel for ill advised action at an ill advised time.
Sadly, I am sure, you will come up with some BASSA spin which blames the rest of us for the poor turn out for yet another BASSA failure. Surely if BASSA are keen on representing their World Wide crew community with such gusto they would ensure that all members had adequate time to get their votes in on such an important issue.
Anyway, you haven't answered my query as to why BASSA should force BA to the negotiating table when BASSA don't want to negotiate?
Wonder why?
Simple maths tells you that a minority (Approx 27%) are 'for' this action and the rest either aren't members of BASSA, can't be bothered or didn't receive the ballot in time.
Somewhat ironic, don't you think, that the numbers rejecting the deal
happen to be about the same number as those who lost staff travel for ill advised action at an ill advised time.
Sadly, I am sure, you will come up with some BASSA spin which blames the rest of us for the poor turn out for yet another BASSA failure. Surely if BASSA are keen on representing their World Wide crew community with such gusto they would ensure that all members had adequate time to get their votes in on such an important issue.
Anyway, you haven't answered my query as to why BASSA should force BA to the negotiating table when BASSA don't want to negotiate?
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Instead of voting on this proposal, we should have balloted for industrial action and forced BA to negotiate seriously.
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as for all the arguments whether BASSA sent that papers out on time, with enough time......blah blah blah
I have a very good friend who left UNITE in MARCH
and guss what
HE RECEIVED A PAPER!
BASSA at their old tricks again! or may be Mr. Holley hasnt had enough time off yet to sort out the books.............SAD!
I have a very good friend who left UNITE in MARCH
and guss what
HE RECEIVED A PAPER!
BASSA at their old tricks again! or may be Mr. Holley hasnt had enough time off yet to sort out the books.............SAD!
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This vote was a huge waste of time as we knew the proposal would never be accepted. We have done nothing but given BA additional time to recruit and train further VCC. Instead of voting on this proposal, we should have balloted for industrial action and forced BA to negotiate seriously.
Had BASSA negotiated on par with all other departments, it would never have come to this. And for sure, you would have had a better offer, with your staff travel intact.
It's now got to a point where our patience is running out.
Time to get onboard like everyone else, appreciate that you still have a job, and look after the passengers that pay YOUR wages.
Your frustrations should be towards BASSA..Not a company that tried negotiating for two years with them, encountering the same old mantra.
Welcome back, btw.