British Airways vs. BASSA (current Airline Staff Only)
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The facts are that Crew Defence of which I am a member, is taking the racial discrimination line for the sake of expediency.
Perhaps I should sue BA for not providing me with a chauffeur driven limo to work as I had the audacity to choose to live greater than walking distance from my place of work!
Talk about clutching at straws.
Is this due to the FACT that BASSA failed in its claim that it would get ST back in a jiffy? Along with a whole host of other untruths?
The punishment of employees taking lawful industrial action is illegal in Europe and I believe, the UK is part of Europe.
DH did not fulfill his contractual requirement due to not reporting for work as he was involved in ORGANISING ballots for IA, not for taking part in legal industrial action. As he thought he was above the law he did this on more than one occasion and was dismissed.
Unfortunately Willie Walsh with his indiscriminate sacking of union reps and other cabin crew for the flimsiest of reasons, thinks the UK is an Iron Curtain satellite state and he can ignore laws, contracts and do whatever he likes.
Also be wary about what EU laws you quote and hide behind. The delightful New Labour government, by the people for the people, took a thick red marker to the EU employment laws before signing up to them. I think you may well be shocked/surprised to see what was thrown out by the Unions beloved Government.
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This is being done via a "mutuality agreement" with the Iberia and AA pilot unions.
Presumably BASSA has done similar preliminary work with the Iberia and AA (and indeed RJ, AY, LN, QF, MX etc) CC unions?
No? Thought not.
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The facts are that Crew Defence of which I am a member, is taking the racial discrimination line for the sake of expediency.
You can ask Lizanne all about that if you like!
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I agree, it will never be the same. It was never going to be once the low-cost model gained a foothold and proved a success. We can refuse to address the new environment, but ultimately it will only result in our downfall. We will be just another extinct species that failed to adapt to changing conditions. I do work harder for relatively less money than, say 5 years ago. However, I'd rather that than no job at all and I still think I'm relatively well off when compared to others.
But that's the difference between me and you - I might not like it but I accept it. I don't think I'm a special case that should be untouched by recessions and the like. I don't think that world owes me a living and some diamond-encrusted terms and conditions that will be set in stone for all time.
At over 30 years of age, I have enough experience to know that life isn't like that.
Those of you like NutJob who for whatever reason went into work, don't seen to realise that the same fate awaits you. There will not be any exceptions. It is all over NutJob. BA will never be the same.
But that's the difference between me and you - I might not like it but I accept it. I don't think I'm a special case that should be untouched by recessions and the like. I don't think that world owes me a living and some diamond-encrusted terms and conditions that will be set in stone for all time.
At over 30 years of age, I have enough experience to know that life isn't like that.
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Those of us who went to work realised straight away that the same fate awaited us; frankly anyone who could read a newspaper could see the writing on the wall. It was the strikers who were slow on the uptake but it seems the penny is beginning to drop. We can stick our fingers in our ears and pretend that its all going to go away or we can accept that some things have to change and negotiate the best possible deal. Drag that union of yours out of the seventies, elect some new reps and get them to negotiate you a future! They might also want to get themselves over to Madrid and do a deal with the IB unions while they can!
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Those of us who went to work realised straight away that the same fate awaited us; frankly anyone who could read a newspaper could see the writing on the wall. It was the strikers who were slow on the uptake but it seems the penny is beginning to drop. We can stick our fingers in our ears and pretend that its all going to go away or we can accept that some things have to change and negotiate the best possible deal. Drag that union of yours out of the seventies, elect some new reps and get them to negotiate you a future! They might also want to get themselves over to Madrid and do a deal with the IB unions while they can!
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Yes quite right they are BASED at LHR. Thus they get a London waiting allowance of around £2500+.
Sorry but they don't!.. ground staff do but cabin crew do not receive any sort of London weighting so far as I am aware!
Yes quite right they are BASED at LHR. Thus they get a London waiting allowance of around £2500+.
Sorry but they don't!.. ground staff do but cabin crew do not receive any sort of London weighting so far as I am aware!
Thats interesting. I thought LHR CC did get it. I know the crew at LGW don't and never did. Does anyone know for sure? Happy to be put right on this one. By the way LW is now between £3-4k
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London weighting
LHR and LGW lost london weighting allowances back in the late eighties at the same time as each other. After the merger with Bcal LHR and LGW were both mainline bases then and paid the same money as each other. London weighting was absorbed into the salary for all mainline crew during a pay deal around that time.
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London weighting LHR and LGW lost london weighting allowances back in the late eighties at the same time as each other. After the merger with Bcal LHR and LGW were both mainline bases then and paid the same money as each other. London weighting was absorbed into the salary for all mainline crew during a pay deal around that time.
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Sorry mods, but this is kind of topical... Also, apologies for any formatting issues, it's a copy/paste job.
A union boss at a convention in Las Vegas decides to*visit a local brothel. He asks the madam, ‘Is this a union house?’
‘No, I’m sorry, it isn’t,’ she says.
‘Well, if I pay $100, what do the girls get?’ he asks.
‘The house gets $80 and the girl gets $20.’
Mighty offended by such unfair dealings, the man stomps off in search of a more equitable shop.
Finally, he reaches a brothel where the madam says, ‘Why yes, this is a union house.’
‘And if I pay $100, what do the girls get?’ he asks.
‘The girls get $80 and the house gets $20.’
‘That’s more like it!’ the man says. He looks around the room and points to a gorgeous young redhead. ‘I’d like her for the night.’
‘I’m sure you would, sir, but…’ says the madam, gesturing at a 70-year-old woman in the corner, ‘Ethel here has seniority.’
A union boss at a convention in Las Vegas decides to*visit a local brothel. He asks the madam, ‘Is this a union house?’
‘No, I’m sorry, it isn’t,’ she says.
‘Well, if I pay $100, what do the girls get?’ he asks.
‘The house gets $80 and the girl gets $20.’
Mighty offended by such unfair dealings, the man stomps off in search of a more equitable shop.
Finally, he reaches a brothel where the madam says, ‘Why yes, this is a union house.’
‘And if I pay $100, what do the girls get?’ he asks.
‘The girls get $80 and the house gets $20.’
‘That’s more like it!’ the man says. He looks around the room and points to a gorgeous young redhead. ‘I’d like her for the night.’
‘I’m sure you would, sir, but…’ says the madam, gesturing at a 70-year-old woman in the corner, ‘Ethel here has seniority.’
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Good Impartial BASSA advice to its members?
I have a question to Bassa members:
If Duncan Holley and Mark Everard are sacked and
from post 1091 I believe?:
"There are now only seven Branch Committee members left, five of those remaining still have the threat of disciplinary action hanging over them"
Question is, if re-instatment of all staff affected by disciplinaries is an issue on dispute, then is the Bassa Branch Committee going to be slightly biased when they give advice to their members?
Thank you for your replies
If Duncan Holley and Mark Everard are sacked and
from post 1091 I believe?:
"There are now only seven Branch Committee members left, five of those remaining still have the threat of disciplinary action hanging over them"
Question is, if re-instatment of all staff affected by disciplinaries is an issue on dispute, then is the Bassa Branch Committee going to be slightly biased when they give advice to their members?
Thank you for your replies
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this cannot go on forever - our passengers are getting frustrated and all employees are bored of it. It seems to me that there are not many BASSA 'leaders' left now ...
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VCC are volunteering for their own reasons, but they are not surplus to requirements, workload is cut back to essential tasks and those not volunteering are picking up what needs to be done, however this is not sustainable in the long term, but is a commitment people are prepared to make to see us though these tough times, however I think we all agree that we would rather the whole situation was resolved, and quickly.
I am not sure where your thoughts that VCC`s are driving towards further redundacies, it is for exactly the opposite that I have volunteered, and yes I do believe it is the right thing to do and it IS backing BA.
I guess we will never agree, but for what its worth these are my thoughts.
VCC are volunteering for their own reasons, but they are not surplus to requirements, workload is cut back to essential tasks and those not volunteering are picking up what needs to be done, however this is not sustainable in the long term, but is a commitment people are prepared to make to see us though these tough times, however I think we all agree that we would rather the whole situation was resolved, and quickly.
I am not sure where your thoughts that VCC`s are driving towards further redundacies, it is for exactly the opposite that I have volunteered, and yes I do believe it is the right thing to do and it IS backing BA.
I guess we will never agree, but for what its worth these are my thoughts.
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I find it quite astounding, that many of the "arguments" given by BASSA are complete no-brainers.
The re-instatement of staff travel.
Why allow your union to tell you, before going on strike, that staff travel would be reinstated within 5 minutes, then have to take the company to court YOURSELF to try and get it back. What the devil are you paying Union fees for, if not for legal representation when needed?
The re-instatement of dismissed crew
BASSA claim that BA have dismissed/suspended crew "arbitrarily". Well in that case, any union worth their salt would be able to defend the alleged perpetrators, present a case and get them re-instated. Ideally within 5 minutes.
BASSA allege that BA has acted illegally on both counts, but yet are completely incapable of presenting a legitimate and plausible case against BA. Isn't that precisely what a Union is supposed to do - represent its members against "unlawful employment practises"? Why are they finding it so difficult to do? I would have thought that this is "basics" for a Union.
So, what's it to be BASSA? Either BA have acted "illegally" and you have the intelligence and legal expertise to prove it, or they haven't and you BASSA have misled your members.
I think you have misled your members DISGRACEFULLY. I fly with crew every trip who have lost huge amounts of money, lost their staff travel and honestly don't know which way to turn now. That some are now throwing good money after bad and funding this Crew Defence themselves, makes my blood boil. Our once great community has been ripped apart by what BASSA has done to it. It is truly shameful.
I am BA cabin crew, and this is my own view and not that of BA.
The re-instatement of staff travel.
Why allow your union to tell you, before going on strike, that staff travel would be reinstated within 5 minutes, then have to take the company to court YOURSELF to try and get it back. What the devil are you paying Union fees for, if not for legal representation when needed?
The re-instatement of dismissed crew
BASSA claim that BA have dismissed/suspended crew "arbitrarily". Well in that case, any union worth their salt would be able to defend the alleged perpetrators, present a case and get them re-instated. Ideally within 5 minutes.
BASSA allege that BA has acted illegally on both counts, but yet are completely incapable of presenting a legitimate and plausible case against BA. Isn't that precisely what a Union is supposed to do - represent its members against "unlawful employment practises"? Why are they finding it so difficult to do? I would have thought that this is "basics" for a Union.
So, what's it to be BASSA? Either BA have acted "illegally" and you have the intelligence and legal expertise to prove it, or they haven't and you BASSA have misled your members.
I think you have misled your members DISGRACEFULLY. I fly with crew every trip who have lost huge amounts of money, lost their staff travel and honestly don't know which way to turn now. That some are now throwing good money after bad and funding this Crew Defence themselves, makes my blood boil. Our once great community has been ripped apart by what BASSA has done to it. It is truly shameful.
I am BA cabin crew, and this is my own view and not that of BA.
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It seems to me that Bassa can not lead their members sensibly if most of their leadership appear to be under disciplinaries. Disciplinaries being one of the issues? 
Just dug up the detail from Unite's rules.Branch meetings require at least 5 committe members to be present in order to form a quorum. There is a clause which allows the union to appoint a branch secretary if one doesn't exist, but thisi seen as a short term measure, so Duncan can still operate as branch secretary with Unite's blessing. However, it sounds like the committee is heading towars being unquorate.
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Am I missing something here with regards to Crew Defence's claim of racial discrimination? BA has removed staff travel from all strikers regardless of race or creed. It is personal choice as to where you live and commute from, BA has no responsibility to provide discounted transport to and from work. Choice of where you live does not equal racial discrimination.
I think that Crew Defence has been set up because crew are starting to realise that Bassa isn't quite as member-focused as they'd been lead to believe, striking crew are scared that they will be left with nothing when Unite eventually agrees a deal. In any event I believe that BA will drag this poorly advised litigation out for many years before it finally gets to Court and looking at the fund raising efforts on the Bassa forum I doubt very much if Crew Defence will have the finances to see it through to its conclusion.
I think that Crew Defence has been set up because crew are starting to realise that Bassa isn't quite as member-focused as they'd been lead to believe, striking crew are scared that they will be left with nothing when Unite eventually agrees a deal. In any event I believe that BA will drag this poorly advised litigation out for many years before it finally gets to Court and looking at the fund raising efforts on the Bassa forum I doubt very much if Crew Defence will have the finances to see it through to its conclusion.