British Airways vs. BASSA (current Airline Staff Only)
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jetset lady is right, there are a lot less CC on here now. Some of the stalwarts who seemed to exist only to post have drifted off, from both sides of the argument. We are getting on with the reality of the situation we find ourselves in, we know there are days when the atmosphere on the crew leaves something to be desired and that there are rifts and divisions that will take years to heal (if ever). Talking around it in ever decreasing circles will not make it better and will not bring the two camps together.
The summer has been very busy, the flights are rammed and we are working flat out (yes, even Eurofleet CSD's have been needed!). There is a sense of holding our breath and waiting to see what November and the birth of MF brings. It will be interesting to see how much work we lose and whether we are back to days sitting at home with nothing to do but post on forums. Many are quietly getting on with retraining and qualifying for other jobs, just in case. There has been an outbreak of text books in the TV room; new electricians, plumbers and teachers are rising from the ashes of the 2009 dispute. Yes, we are all worried, and rightly so, but all that is left is to wait and see how it plays out. As ever with BA, life is anything but boring.
The summer has been very busy, the flights are rammed and we are working flat out (yes, even Eurofleet CSD's have been needed!). There is a sense of holding our breath and waiting to see what November and the birth of MF brings. It will be interesting to see how much work we lose and whether we are back to days sitting at home with nothing to do but post on forums. Many are quietly getting on with retraining and qualifying for other jobs, just in case. There has been an outbreak of text books in the TV room; new electricians, plumbers and teachers are rising from the ashes of the 2009 dispute. Yes, we are all worried, and rightly so, but all that is left is to wait and see how it plays out. As ever with BA, life is anything but boring.
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Not the ones on Eurofleet, they are used to the finer things in life! In the old days the Flight Engineer could be relied on but now, if you can find a cheap beer in Oslo, I'll pay for it!
Look forward to flying with you and claiming my beer
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Dave3 thanks for presenting a reasoned and passionate explanation of your feelings about the dispute and your backing of BA.
I would like to ask a question and do not wish for this to be taken as antagonistic, I have a genuine query as to how you and any other striker see this dispute progressing.
Forgetting for a moment the entrenched positions on both sides of the divide, I think it is fair to say that the strikes so far have not achieved what UNITE/BASSA hoped for. BA has not changed it's position and altered the imposition and has subsequently pressed on with NF. It is (in my opinion) unlikely that further strike action will alter this - BA has now had a long time to prepare for any further action and as time passes the resolve of many (not all) weakens - this is just human nature and does not reflect on the strength of belief, people just weary of dispute.
So what happens next? How do BASSA bring this dispute to an end? I ask how BASSA bring this to an end because it seems that BA are just pressing on with business despite the ongoing dispute, they seem to be at the point where to BA the dispute is largely irrelevant.
I would like to ask a question and do not wish for this to be taken as antagonistic, I have a genuine query as to how you and any other striker see this dispute progressing.
Forgetting for a moment the entrenched positions on both sides of the divide, I think it is fair to say that the strikes so far have not achieved what UNITE/BASSA hoped for. BA has not changed it's position and altered the imposition and has subsequently pressed on with NF. It is (in my opinion) unlikely that further strike action will alter this - BA has now had a long time to prepare for any further action and as time passes the resolve of many (not all) weakens - this is just human nature and does not reflect on the strength of belief, people just weary of dispute.
So what happens next? How do BASSA bring this dispute to an end? I ask how BASSA bring this to an end because it seems that BA are just pressing on with business despite the ongoing dispute, they seem to be at the point where to BA the dispute is largely irrelevant.
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Staff Travel goes to Court
Latest from Bassa is the high court claim with regards to staff travel has been issued and served, giving BA until November to file their defence.
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I think this thread reflects, quite accurately, the real world situation with regards to the BASSA industrial action.
There are many within the company who have made cuts and sacrifices and disagree with the standard BASSA position. They are in the majority with respect to employee numbers and that is in evidence here.
The dwindling minority who, for various and personally valid reasons, support the BASSA action seem to be finding it more difficult to quantify or justify as the time goes by.
Sadly the 'ultimate' BASSA weapon of IA seems to have been severely blunted over the past 18 months and even Unite seem to be tiring of the hard line stance of a, now, unelected board after their tenure ran out.
Time to force new BASSA elections, ignore the 'show of hands' to extend Lizanne's reign, and try and get some proper representation.
There are many within the company who have made cuts and sacrifices and disagree with the standard BASSA position. They are in the majority with respect to employee numbers and that is in evidence here.
The dwindling minority who, for various and personally valid reasons, support the BASSA action seem to be finding it more difficult to quantify or justify as the time goes by.
Sadly the 'ultimate' BASSA weapon of IA seems to have been severely blunted over the past 18 months and even Unite seem to be tiring of the hard line stance of a, now, unelected board after their tenure ran out.
Time to force new BASSA elections, ignore the 'show of hands' to extend Lizanne's reign, and try and get some proper representation.
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It does cost to be crew.
Commuting to and from work
You need to be groomed at all times.
No roots on show and your hair must be well groomed.
clean smart shoes x2
neat nails
moisurisers for skin because of dehydration due to flying
smart clothes in case you have to pos cab home.
Dry cleaned uniform
a big chunk of your pay does go on looking smart.
for the ladies cosmetics.
Commuting to and from work
You need to be groomed at all times.
No roots on show and your hair must be well groomed.
clean smart shoes x2
neat nails
moisurisers for skin because of dehydration due to flying
smart clothes in case you have to pos cab home.
Dry cleaned uniform
a big chunk of your pay does go on looking smart.
for the ladies cosmetics.
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Goodness me, what a load of tosh!
"Minor infractions" - they mean a total failure to follow a simple rule!
"An army of low-paid office workers" - I'm sure the engineers, check-in staff, ramp staff, TRMs and others will approve of that! Special dig at the pilots there too, but they don't realise that nobody outside their own ranks shares their personal obsession with the pilots.
"The Asset Protection Group"? - what outside agency is this? Do they mean the one wholly internal to BA?
The last person I heard saying they wished to remain anonymous was "Richard" on Radio 5. Seems like he's been busy writing again!
"Minor infractions" - they mean a total failure to follow a simple rule!
"An army of low-paid office workers" - I'm sure the engineers, check-in staff, ramp staff, TRMs and others will approve of that! Special dig at the pilots there too, but they don't realise that nobody outside their own ranks shares their personal obsession with the pilots.
"The Asset Protection Group"? - what outside agency is this? Do they mean the one wholly internal to BA?
The last person I heard saying they wished to remain anonymous was "Richard" on Radio 5. Seems like he's been busy writing again!
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reading the above, makes me draw a comparrison to Police who take action against anti-social thugs on a rundown estate. After years of getting away with it and ruining the lives of hundreds of law adiding citizens. Police finally take a 'zero tolerance' on an estate and start clamping down on anti social behaviour, arresting many of the ring leaders for unlawful acts committed in full view of their neighbours and the police. These ring leaders call in their lawyers who claim victimisation and the individuals are shell shocked as they clearly thought they were above the law......
not suggesting any crew have broken the law, but it does sound like an episode of the Bill. Does anyone beleive this? Not those of us who have been 'neighbours' to these for many years that is for sure.
not suggesting any crew have broken the law, but it does sound like an episode of the Bill. Does anyone beleive this? Not those of us who have been 'neighbours' to these for many years that is for sure.
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That fabrication is a conspiracy fanatics dream.
I was held at the hold point at LHR the other day as FIVE, no, SIX other aircraft were let ahead of me onto the runway!!!! ATC, the tower, the BAA, no, the police they have all got it in for me....................!
Or perhaps I had to wait as there was a restriction on my departure routing.
As with all things in life the detail is in the viewpoint.
I'm sure the BASSA faithful will enjoy reading it though.
I was held at the hold point at LHR the other day as FIVE, no, SIX other aircraft were let ahead of me onto the runway!!!! ATC, the tower, the BAA, no, the police they have all got it in for me....................!
Or perhaps I had to wait as there was a restriction on my departure routing.
As with all things in life the detail is in the viewpoint.
I'm sure the BASSA faithful will enjoy reading it though.
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The outside agency "The Asset Protection Group". That bit's fabricated. I suspect the surveillance is imagined too, given that no evidence whatsoever has been presented to support it. I'm inclined to believe the bullying and harassment of Unite members is all in their imaginations too. They simply don't like being told things they don't want to hear, a trait I've found all too prevalent amongst cabin crew.
PS Re Willies army of strikebreakers - why no mention of the many hundreds of members of Unite who are flying as VCC?
PPS Which bit of a reps job is setting up a bogus website linking BAs name to pornography?
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CP, you claim to be a 747 pilot, but your attitude belies you ever having reached that status. Perhaps on freighters?
Whatever it is you do in real life, your ignorant blanket statement has shown that you are unlikely to make a useful future contribution to this thread.
So you won´t be making any.
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PS Re Willies army of strikebreakers - why no mention of the many hundreds of members of Unite who are flying as VCC?
PPS Which bit of a reps job is setting up a bogus website linking BAs name to pornography?
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They simply don't like being told things they don't want to hear, a trait I've found all too prevalent amongst cabin crew.
Whatever it is you do in real life, your ignorant blanket statement has shown that you are unlikely to make a useful future contribution to this thread.
So you won´t be making any.
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The outside agency "The Asset Protection Group". That bit's fabricated.
I suspect the surveillance is imagined too, given that no evidence whatsoever has been presented to support it.
I'm inclined to believe the bullying and harassment of Unite members is all in their imaginations too.
Crew who went on strike are bullied on a daily basis - freedom of speech is no longer tolerated in BA - ask those who are reported by Flight Crew for simply 'daring' to discuss the situation
They simply don't like being told things they don't want to hear, a trait I've found all too prevalent amongst cabin crew.
Crew who went on strike are bullied on a daily basis - freedom of speech is no longer tolerated in BA - ask those who are reported by Flight Crew for simply 'daring' to discuss the situation
PS Re Willies army of strikebreakers - why no mention of the many hundreds of members of Unite who are flying as VCC?
PPS Which bit of a reps job is setting up a bogus website linking BAs name to pornography?
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brilliant
We also know
that Mr Walsh lunches regularly with Paul Dacre, Editor of the
Daily Mail. British Airways have cultivated a large proportion of
the national media, with the exception, perhaps, of the
Financial Times and the Guardian, which has made it almost
impossible to get balanced reporting or pro-Union coverage.
Not that it really matters who WW has lunch with but I particulary like the bit on the lack of pro-union coverage, is that because, and I will go out on a limb here,that there wasn't and isn't any?
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The alleged website did not link to BA but was under the name of another 'organisation' - unless you know something different and BA and that 'organisation' are in cahoots?
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Point 1) Assest Protection Group.
I do not agree they are involved - and won't until there is cast iron proof. Until that point it sounds like conspiracy theory and alien abduction to me
I do not agree they are involved - and won't until there is cast iron proof. Until that point it sounds like conspiracy theory and alien abduction to me
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No, but to be fair the meta-links used did include BA, there was no collusion between BA and the PCCC.
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Point 1) Assest Protection Group.
I do not agree they are involved - and won't until there is cast iron proof. Until that point it sounds like conspiracy theory and alien abduction to me
I do not agree they are involved - and won't until there is cast iron proof. Until that point it sounds like conspiracy theory and alien abduction to me