British Airways vs. BASSA (current Airline Staff Only)
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Congratulations to those of you who signed the BA offer earlier this summer. as you have really sold yourselves down the river. Don't be surprised, or shocked, when in three years time BA wants to discuss this so called top-up payment and change (impose) it to a lower amount of money because they have transferred all of our LR routes to New Fleet. To all of the temporary crew who have not qualified for New Fleet but returned to back to BA during our dispite. This is what you get from BA. It will be the same outcome for everyone who is backing BA. Once they have reached an agreement with IFCE, they will be looking once again at achieving further cost savings from other work groups. Ground staff, pilots and managers would be on the line. What goes around, comes around as the old saying goes. I never socialise with any strikebreaking crew downroute or work a position onboard where I have to look after our flight crew any longer as I find their actions to be nothing but disgusting. I have no sympathy to strikebreakers (VCC including pilots, regular crew who crossed the picket line and temporary crew) if they are feeling left out or being completely ignored as they have done nothing but prolonged our dispute. Send out a new ballot, please. I can't wait to return it. To all of the cabin crew who crossed the picket line earlier this year. It's not too late to change your mind. Wake up and understand that we are dealing with a nasty selfish piece of management who is wanting to get rid of you! We can already see what is happening in HKG and SIN. We are not talking decades. We are talking only a few years before we are history. Because of what? Because of the greediness of WW and BF.
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Sanctimonious, self-indulgent, hollow twaddle. Trust me, your company downroute isn't missed in the slightest.
Chop on to the mythical job where you'll be as appreciated as your ego thinks it deserves to be.
MrB
Chop on to the mythical job where you'll be as appreciated as your ego thinks it deserves to be.
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Miss M I was surprised and shocked last year when BASSA rerfused to discuss the new recruits coming on to our fleets, I was shocked and surprised that they then wouldn't negotiate or discuss the monthly payment. Now the only thing that surprises me is that I was surprised in the first place, why should I have expected any more from a group that played childish games, threw their toys out of the pram and sold their members down the river because theywouldn't even sit in the same room as the 89 people.
Are you not surprised Miss M that they haven't sent you another ballot? Perhaps thats because the result would come as a nasty surprise to you. Whist you are in your room alone and feeling sorry and bitter, the rest of us are getting on with it. When you decide to get over it we will all still be here waiting, until then, enjoy your own company!
Are you not surprised Miss M that they haven't sent you another ballot? Perhaps thats because the result would come as a nasty surprise to you. Whist you are in your room alone and feeling sorry and bitter, the rest of us are getting on with it. When you decide to get over it we will all still be here waiting, until then, enjoy your own company!
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Miss M, Whether you accept the offer today or in 6 months time, you will have to accept it. Get used to the idea... I can understand why you are fustrated.. If I was in the union, I would be as well...
Best Of Luck..
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I never socialise with any strikebreaking crew downroute or work a position onboard where I have to look after our flight crew any longer as I find their actions to be nothing but disgusting. I have no sympathy to strikebreakers (VCC including pilots, regular crew who crossed the picket line and temporary crew) if they are feeling left out or being completely ignored as they have done nothing but prolonged our dispute. Send out a new ballot, please. I can't wait to return it.
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I never socialise with any strikebreaking crew downroute or work a position onboard where I have to look after our flight crew any longer as I find their actions to be nothing but disgusting. I have no sympathy to strikebreakers (VCC including pilots, regular crew who crossed the picket line and temporary crew) if they are feeling left out or being completely ignored as they have done nothing but prolonged our dispute. F.
This sort of attitude is exactly what BA needs to 'remove' . Can I say to all the CC that are positive to BA, (whether you striked or not), you are always welcome 'look after your flight crew' and very welcome to come out down route. Its difficult for us pilots sometimes, but if you want to come out and share your troubles over a drink or 2, then please just ask us - I can assure you that in 98% of flight crew the answer will we YES! The flight deck is always open in flight as well if you want a chat ... and it doesn't have to be about work
The sooner BA gets rid of the crew that are nasty, covertly bully & think BA owes them a living the better - I am sure the CC that fit into this bracket know who they are and know they could not earn more anywhere else - I genuinely think this is the reason why 'the militants are who the militants are'
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Miss M,
I don't imagine that your company will be missed for one second on trips.
However, if I ever meet you I will treat you with the same courtesy and respect that I would accord to anyone else. That is I would treat you as an individual and not assume your membership of any group that I may or may not approve of.
Until you change my mind.
I would appreciate the same courtesy from you.
I don't imagine that your company will be missed for one second on trips.
However, if I ever meet you I will treat you with the same courtesy and respect that I would accord to anyone else. That is I would treat you as an individual and not assume your membership of any group that I may or may not approve of.
Until you change my mind.
I would appreciate the same courtesy from you.
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The majority of cabin crew crossed the picket line because they were happy to make reasonable changes to ensure that they still have a job in the future. Despite a minority of the crew community refusing to believe that there was ever any need to. BASSA is feeding it's members lie after lie which they are taking in and this is causing them no end of misery, stress, anger and bitterness.
The 'BA backers' on the other hand have accepted the need for change, been made a good offer (all things considered) accepted it and are coming to work with a smile on their faces. Not full of hate or resentment refusing to work harmoniously with strikers or talk to our flight crew colleagues.
If these union backers are so happy fighting the cause, why is it that I am yet to meet a happy striker?
The 'BA backers' on the other hand have accepted the need for change, been made a good offer (all things considered) accepted it and are coming to work with a smile on their faces. Not full of hate or resentment refusing to work harmoniously with strikers or talk to our flight crew colleagues.
If these union backers are so happy fighting the cause, why is it that I am yet to meet a happy striker?
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Neither is yours I can assure you which is why I happily turned down the offer to a bar round from three of your colleagues on my last trip.
The Flying Nunn
What gives you the idea that I am sitting in my room all alone and feeling sorry and bitter? I can tell you that I have never been lonely on any trip since March. Should it ever happen that I would be the only striking crew member on a future trip, I would rather spend my time downroute alone.
BASSA wants guarantees, not assurances, from BA which they are not willing to give. We know from history that the company sometimes takes its own decisions and completely ignores exisiting agreements. BASSA and Unite have tried to negotiate with BA but it's our management who doesn't want to reach an agreement. Unite had no problem reaching an agreement with BAA, had they? Although, it can't be easy to negotiate with BA when one of their managers didn't even know what an MBT was...
essessdeedee
Because I have been with BA for 15 years and created myself a career in this company. Many of us have, including some of those on the flight deck whose costs have increased whilst ours in the cabin has decreased. I will not allow a temporary, incompetent and unreasonable management to destroy everything because they all of the sudden think that we are too expensive and wanting to replace us with a cheaper workforce.
Neither is yours I can assure you which is why I happily turned down the offer to a bar round from three of your colleagues on my last trip.
The Flying Nunn
What gives you the idea that I am sitting in my room all alone and feeling sorry and bitter? I can tell you that I have never been lonely on any trip since March. Should it ever happen that I would be the only striking crew member on a future trip, I would rather spend my time downroute alone.
BASSA wants guarantees, not assurances, from BA which they are not willing to give. We know from history that the company sometimes takes its own decisions and completely ignores exisiting agreements. BASSA and Unite have tried to negotiate with BA but it's our management who doesn't want to reach an agreement. Unite had no problem reaching an agreement with BAA, had they? Although, it can't be easy to negotiate with BA when one of their managers didn't even know what an MBT was...
essessdeedee
Because I have been with BA for 15 years and created myself a career in this company. Many of us have, including some of those on the flight deck whose costs have increased whilst ours in the cabin has decreased. I will not allow a temporary, incompetent and unreasonable management to destroy everything because they all of the sudden think that we are too expensive and wanting to replace us with a cheaper workforce.
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Miss BA, here on PPRuNe CC Forum we discuss arguments, not the supposed character traits of the people posting them.
Best get used to that sooner rather than later.
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I never socialise with any strikebreaking crew downroute or work a position onboard where I have to look after our flight crew any longer as I find their actions to be nothing but disgusting.
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To be fair, part of what MissM says is correct.
From a LGW crew member, it certainly does and I think you'll find it finally has.
Yes, it may come back to LGW again. In fact, I'm pretty sure it will but from talking to friends working for Virgin, Thompson, EasyJet, Ryaniar and BMI, it's happening across the whole industry. CAA limits are no longer limits, they now appear to be targets but like I say, it's not just BA. Aviation has changed for the worse and the old days are gone. You can either accept it and try to get the best realistic deal possible or get out while you still can. I'll hang on for a while to see how it all pans out but if I ever come to hate it as much as you seem to, I won't hesitate.
Originally Posted by MissM
What goes around, comes around as the old saying goes.
Yes, it may come back to LGW again. In fact, I'm pretty sure it will but from talking to friends working for Virgin, Thompson, EasyJet, Ryaniar and BMI, it's happening across the whole industry. CAA limits are no longer limits, they now appear to be targets but like I say, it's not just BA. Aviation has changed for the worse and the old days are gone. You can either accept it and try to get the best realistic deal possible or get out while you still can. I'll hang on for a while to see how it all pans out but if I ever come to hate it as much as you seem to, I won't hesitate.
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From Miss M
Nice to see you back by the way!
Ummm. Why dont you give Mr. Tomorite a call. Apparently you were all going to get a ballot to strike IMMEDIETELY if the last vote was against the BA offer which it was. Thats weeks ago now and nothing it seems is imminent. Any reason why, I'd love to know
Nice to see you back by the way!
Send out a new ballot, please. I can't wait to return it.
Ummm. Why dont you give Mr. Tomorite a call. Apparently you were all going to get a ballot to strike IMMEDIETELY if the last vote was against the BA offer which it was. Thats weeks ago now and nothing it seems is imminent. Any reason why, I'd love to know
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To be fair, part of what MissM says is correct.
Spot on 
It's over and I think the name of the game now is either adapt or face the fact that Bassa could have been involved but chose not to, Either fit in or look elsewhere for something more suitable to your needs.
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Originally Posted by MissM
What goes around, comes around as the old saying goes.
From a LGW crew member, it certainly does and I think you'll find it finally has.
Yes, it may come back to LGW again. In fact, I'm pretty sure it will but from talking to friends working for Virgin, Thompson, EasyJet, Ryaniar and BMI, it's happening across the whole industry. Aviation has changed and the old days are gone. You can either accept it or get out while you still can. I'll hang on for a while to see how it all pans out but if I ever come to hate it as much as you seem to, I won't hesitate.
Originally Posted by MissM
What goes around, comes around as the old saying goes.
From a LGW crew member, it certainly does and I think you'll find it finally has.
Yes, it may come back to LGW again. In fact, I'm pretty sure it will but from talking to friends working for Virgin, Thompson, EasyJet, Ryaniar and BMI, it's happening across the whole industry. Aviation has changed and the old days are gone. You can either accept it or get out while you still can. I'll hang on for a while to see how it all pans out but if I ever come to hate it as much as you seem to, I won't hesitate.
It's over and I think the name of the game now is either adapt or face the fact that Bassa could have been involved but chose not to, Either fit in or look elsewhere for something more suitable to your needs.
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BASSA wants guarantees, not assurances, from BA which they are not willing to give. We know from history that the company sometimes takes its own decisions and completely ignores exisiting agreements. BASSA and Unite have tried to negotiate with BA but it's our management who doesn't want to reach an agreement. Unite had no problem reaching an agreement with BAA, had they? Although, it can't be easy to negotiate with BA when one of their managers didn't even know what an MBT was...
Out in the real world, employees have no guarantees beyond their notice period. The best you do to protect your future and employment and income is to prove your worth and perform.
At the moment, all BASSA has done has prove that its members are dispensible.
Regarding the rehashed argument about BAA/Unite, if you look at the issues Unite has agreed with BA on, the one consistent theme is the absence of BASSA.