British Airways vs. BASSA (Airline Staff Only)
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If so, not much compensation.
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These are true figures - and as you can see nowhere near 70% Operating
47% Cancelled 53% Operating
Walsh cannot let this drag on, given that the Union have asked a number of times to get back round the table. He has let the Union have their strike and it has been much more successful than BA ever envisaged - now it's time to get it settled.
47% Cancelled 53% Operating
Walsh cannot let this drag on, given that the Union have asked a number of times to get back round the table. He has let the Union have their strike and it has been much more successful than BA ever envisaged - now it's time to get it settled.
The strike has been exactly as BA planned, the only suprise they had was too many crew turning up last weekend. BA can last at this level a very very long time. Their contingency plans last until August. Most striking crew members have contingency plans that will last until they check epay this week.
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Walsh cannot let this drag on, given that the Union have asked a number of times to get back round the table. He has let the Union have their strike and it has been much more successful than BA ever envisaged - now it's time to get it settled.
For a start, the number of departures does not necessarily reflect the numbers of passengers carried - substituting a 320 on a 319 route may enable a cancellation of another 319 service, but the same number of pax to be carried. They are just all on one aircraft.
Secondly, and more importantly, how can you describe a strike by a (supposedly "indispensable") section of the work force a success when the airline is able to run at least 65% of its' normal operation? A percentage that is increasing with every passing day.
The fact is that the strikers have found themselves TOTALLY marginalised within the company (remember, a significant number of the VCC are fellow UNITE members!) and increasingly irrelevant to the continued survival of the company.
Time is running out for sure, but for whom?
Another one to disagree BACabinCrew.
From Heathrow
Total number of flights operated today/planned to operate 143 (inc wetleases)
Total number of flights cancelled/planned cancelled 102 (inc freighters)
That gives an overall average of 71%
From Heathrow
Total number of flights operated today/planned to operate 143 (inc wetleases)
Total number of flights cancelled/planned cancelled 102 (inc freighters)
That gives an overall average of 71%
Last edited by StudentInDebt; 28th Mar 2010 at 13:39. Reason: to add that these are just Heathrow figures
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Another one to disagree BACabinCrew.
Total number of flights operated today/planned to operate 143 (inc wetleases)
Total number of flights cancelled/planned cancelled 102 (inc freighters)
That gives an overall average of 71%
Total number of flights operated today/planned to operate 143 (inc wetleases)
Total number of flights cancelled/planned cancelled 102 (inc freighters)
That gives an overall average of 71%
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The fact remains whichever percentage you believe, that BA are flying the vast majority of its passengers whilst saving an absolute packet on the wages of striking cabin crew.
The short haul wet leases are cheaper/hr than BAs normal costs/hr.
I am assuming bacabincrew has forgotten about the existance of LGW and LCY? Thats another 80 odd departures to the good for BA.
The short haul wet leases are cheaper/hr than BAs normal costs/hr.
I am assuming bacabincrew has forgotten about the existance of LGW and LCY? Thats another 80 odd departures to the good for BA.
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Anyone can quote statistics to suit their arguement.
Its 70% of the passengers (180,000) that have flown not 70% of the aircraft that are operating.They are just using bigger planes with all the smaller ones parked up.
CRM is fine among the crew that are working now(if not better).When the strikers come back? I am sure it will change but will be no worse than what I have known over the last 20 years where a hard core bunch just hate the pilots for being pilots.Ho Hum I can live with that.
WW will probably not sack crew but if this dispute is still ongoing after 12 weeks then employment law becomes favourable towards the employer as long as they can show they have made reasonable offers towards the employees.So it wasn`t a good idea for Bassa to not let you read the offer or to not recommend it to you , as most think it was quite reasonable.Again a court would decide but Bassa have been woeful in all their court cases so far.
Bassa have no end game plan but I am sure WW does.
Anyone can quote statistics to suit their arguement.
Its 70% of the passengers (180,000) that have flown not 70% of the aircraft that are operating.They are just using bigger planes with all the smaller ones parked up.
CRM is fine among the crew that are working now(if not better).When the strikers come back? I am sure it will change but will be no worse than what I have known over the last 20 years where a hard core bunch just hate the pilots for being pilots.Ho Hum I can live with that.
WW will probably not sack crew but if this dispute is still ongoing after 12 weeks then employment law becomes favourable towards the employer as long as they can show they have made reasonable offers towards the employees.So it wasn`t a good idea for Bassa to not let you read the offer or to not recommend it to you , as most think it was quite reasonable.Again a court would decide but Bassa have been woeful in all their court cases so far.
Bassa have no end game plan but I am sure WW does.
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CRM is fine among the crew that are working now(if not better).
Thats a joke!!!!!!
I am sure it will change but will be no worse than what I have known over the last 20 years where a hard core bunch just hate the pilots for being pilots.
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Well, regardless of numbers that have flown (frankly, as BA are misrepresenting and skewing the stats it's unlikely anyone could come out with a valid figure) and anything else that has passed to get us to this position, I think the case for crew striking is just getting stronger.
If, at this point, the union don't fight to retain staff travel, it becomes a useless service for everyone. Would you really want to be on a plane with crew who have lost their 'perks' while you were flying using them? It's now in all crew's interests to get that perk back for everyone and it looks as if facing off WW is the only way to achieve that.
Next, the basic fact that cuts are going to follow cuts are going to follow cuts. The argument 'BA crew are xx% more expensive' is not going to go away. It will be being rolled out repeatedly in the next few years until it's the other way around.
Not striking means that most won't use staff travel as it won't be returned to all. It means that we'll have annual rounds of cuts to the job and the amount you take home. I just don't see any argument for doing anything but striking anymore.
If, at this point, the union don't fight to retain staff travel, it becomes a useless service for everyone. Would you really want to be on a plane with crew who have lost their 'perks' while you were flying using them? It's now in all crew's interests to get that perk back for everyone and it looks as if facing off WW is the only way to achieve that.
Next, the basic fact that cuts are going to follow cuts are going to follow cuts. The argument 'BA crew are xx% more expensive' is not going to go away. It will be being rolled out repeatedly in the next few years until it's the other way around.
Not striking means that most won't use staff travel as it won't be returned to all. It means that we'll have annual rounds of cuts to the job and the amount you take home. I just don't see any argument for doing anything but striking anymore.
The airline has cancelled 30% of flights from the UK on Sunday, including 42% of Heathrow departures.
As to CRM. I had a whole load of poo at work last week from tues to fri. The nicest operating day was monday, with a bunch of crew who wanted to be there. Funny huh?
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this has now been blown out of the water due to the actions in part of those breaking the strike and those who have had Crew suspended for Facebook etc
SURELY if anybody has threatened your friends or someone you love at work you would be happy to see them suspended, see the company take care of those who are being harassed?
Everybody has the right to make their choice, whatever their reasons. Nobody should be made scared because of what they decide to do.
Maybe this is what BASSA members need to remember: striking is legal, intimidating and threatening people IS NOT.
If my reaction seems excessive is because we should not tolerate threatening of any sort.
This is a work issue, this is about people having to make a decision on whether they want or can afford to go on strike. But the inflammatory tone used by the Union is making this personal, about WW, about each cabin crew who is breaking the strike, no matter for what reason, each volunteer, no matter why they are doing it. BASSA has the responsibility of ensuring that this does not become personal and that nobody's safety is at risk.
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I certainly won't lose any sleep about crew losing staff travel. They were told catagorically what would happen if they went on strike so they have no complaints that Willie Walsh has followed through with what he promised.
Why would I be bothered if the crew on any flight I was on were being 'Grumpy' towards me. They don't allocate my seat, the check in staff who didn't go on strike do, whether its an ID90. Premium Standby or my ABC.
I for one don't really care what food/drink I get on a plane, it's a means to an end to get me and my family on holiday.
Why would I be bothered if the crew on any flight I was on were being 'Grumpy' towards me. They don't allocate my seat, the check in staff who didn't go on strike do, whether its an ID90. Premium Standby or my ABC.
I for one don't really care what food/drink I get on a plane, it's a means to an end to get me and my family on holiday.
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There`s an element of truth in what you say.My last flight I had one ground staff volunteer and 3 pilot volunteers.The ground staff chap looked totally overawed and incredibly nervous.
To put him at his ease I just said `don`t worry - there`s 3 people over there who have got less of a clue than you`.Ice broken and everyone laughed.From then on everything was fine and no problem with CRM.But point taken
There`s an element of truth in what you say.My last flight I had one ground staff volunteer and 3 pilot volunteers.The ground staff chap looked totally overawed and incredibly nervous.
To put him at his ease I just said `don`t worry - there`s 3 people over there who have got less of a clue than you`.Ice broken and everyone laughed.From then on everything was fine and no problem with CRM.But point taken
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Well said. Weeks before the strike started when I dared to voice an opinion that others didn't like I was told to get out of the union as my views weren't welcome. As you can imagine the language used was alot more colourful than Ive posted but I won't lower myself to repeat it. There are policies in place that are supposed to protect colleagues from harrasment, however evidently there is still some intimidation happening. I might not agree with the reason
for striking but I respect someones wish to do so. This should be reciprocated, however and people be allowed to come to work with dignity. Anyone bullying others should not be allowed anywhere near an aircraft as this could seriously compromise safety.
Well said. Weeks before the strike started when I dared to voice an opinion that others didn't like I was told to get out of the union as my views weren't welcome. As you can imagine the language used was alot more colourful than Ive posted but I won't lower myself to repeat it. There are policies in place that are supposed to protect colleagues from harrasment, however evidently there is still some intimidation happening. I might not agree with the reason
for striking but I respect someones wish to do so. This should be reciprocated, however and people be allowed to come to work with dignity. Anyone bullying others should not be allowed anywhere near an aircraft as this could seriously compromise safety.
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Still don't understand the contradictory messages about staff travel. One minute it's imperative to get them back and the next minute members on the radio are saying that they aren't important as not really a perk because it's much cheaper to travel with low cost airlines and most crew don't use them. Which one is it?
Does anybody on here know the total amount of pax that BA carried this time last year, against the 180,000 it has announced?
I am asking those people who "hear" things, or have "sources". It is only that I "hear" that BA handled between 4 and 8 thousand less passengers at my base, over the strike dates, than they would normally carry. This is at a base with almost no flight disruption.
I am asking those people who "hear" things, or have "sources". It is only that I "hear" that BA handled between 4 and 8 thousand less passengers at my base, over the strike dates, than they would normally carry. This is at a base with almost no flight disruption.
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I am asking those people who "hear" things, or have "sources". It is only that I "hear" that BA handled between 4 and 8 thousand less passengers at my base, over the strike dates, than they would normally carry. This is at a base with almost no flight disruption.
Also 30% of the shorthaul flights were cancelled there last weekend so hardly no flight disruption.
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Staff travel
even though it might be cheaper to buy a commercial ticket what staff travel offers is the flexibility... commercial tickets are non refundable, non changeable, subject to conditions such as Sat night stay etc.... definitely not good for someone that commutes nor for a last minute holiday... even hotlines have got conditions so no thinking that hotlines can be a replacement 
Even staff on their annual concessions change their mind on the dates, cancel and rebook because they can... this is not something cool to say to the BBC but it is certainly something important especially for staff that have relatives or friends abroad.
Even staff on their annual concessions change their mind on the dates, cancel and rebook because they can... this is not something cool to say to the BBC but it is certainly something important especially for staff that have relatives or friends abroad.