British Airways vs. BASSA (Airline Staff Only)
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Zilli
There won't be a problem.
Firstly because the only misinformation regarding confrontation - and bullying and harrassment - is coming from Bassa. And because BA and the outstations and hotels have taken steps to ensure no unpleasantness occurs.
I don't think it would anyway because it is easy for strikers to be aggressive and threatening on their anonymous forums , but quite different to be confrontational personally.
If witnessed , any such behaviour would result in disciplinary action.
Most importantly.
Why not have the stomach to do what you think is right.
Weigh the issues and make an intelligent and informed decision ; then follow it through. You have then done your best.
Just been informed that the % reporting is up again from last weekend.
61% WW
56% EF
96% LGW
These are figures for BA cabin crew reporting for duty today.
NOT returning crew or volunteers.
So the majority of crew are working.
And that majority is increasing with each day of the strike.
Sometimes you have to do what is best. For yourself and your family.
Don't be afraid, don't feel the need to strike just to be one of the gang.
There won't be a problem.
Firstly because the only misinformation regarding confrontation - and bullying and harrassment - is coming from Bassa. And because BA and the outstations and hotels have taken steps to ensure no unpleasantness occurs.
I don't think it would anyway because it is easy for strikers to be aggressive and threatening on their anonymous forums , but quite different to be confrontational personally.
If witnessed , any such behaviour would result in disciplinary action.
Most importantly.
Why not have the stomach to do what you think is right.
Weigh the issues and make an intelligent and informed decision ; then follow it through. You have then done your best.
Just been informed that the % reporting is up again from last weekend.
61% WW
56% EF
96% LGW
These are figures for BA cabin crew reporting for duty today.
NOT returning crew or volunteers.
So the majority of crew are working.
And that majority is increasing with each day of the strike.
Sometimes you have to do what is best. For yourself and your family.
Don't be afraid, don't feel the need to strike just to be one of the gang.
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Hi Zilli,
Just like to add a little support concerning your decission with regards to reporting for work.
I do appreciate you have to make a difficult choice, and many of us had to make or are currently making this very same decission. I would however like to say, please be strong and stand up for what you believe in!!! Also, please don't let anybody ever intimmidate you. You can't allow anybody to bully and or harras you. Don't make a decission based on 'fear'!
As for spending days in your hotel room or with Flight Crew or Management...... the spirit and feeling of being part of a really motivated team is very uplifting. I have been working last weekend and will be working again over the next couple of days. You will be amazed about the support you will receive from BA!!!! And I can also garantuee you that you will draw a lot of strength from your fellow colleagues who will be with you and decided to come into work...... and there are loads of us..... and all willing to have a drink with you downroute
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Please don't be afraid......
Good luck with your decission.... whatever way it might take you!!!
Regards from a cc colleague!!!
Just like to add a little support concerning your decission with regards to reporting for work.
I do appreciate you have to make a difficult choice, and many of us had to make or are currently making this very same decission. I would however like to say, please be strong and stand up for what you believe in!!! Also, please don't let anybody ever intimmidate you. You can't allow anybody to bully and or harras you. Don't make a decission based on 'fear'!
As for spending days in your hotel room or with Flight Crew or Management...... the spirit and feeling of being part of a really motivated team is very uplifting. I have been working last weekend and will be working again over the next couple of days. You will be amazed about the support you will receive from BA!!!! And I can also garantuee you that you will draw a lot of strength from your fellow colleagues who will be with you and decided to come into work...... and there are loads of us..... and all willing to have a drink with you downroute
!!!Please don't be afraid......
Good luck with your decission.... whatever way it might take you!!!
Regards from a cc colleague!!!
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Inappropriate Family Fun Day On Sunday
Does anyone else find it disgusting that our colleagues in Unite are planning a "Family Fun Day" at their picketing HQ at Bedfont Football Ground tomorrow. So while many passengers cannot fly, the Cabin Crew will be enjoying face painting and a bouncy castle.
Their attitude revolts me.
Their attitude revolts me.
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Zilli, if you go to work, you will be doing what the MAJORITY ofyour colleagues are doing. Nearly 2/3 of them who were rostered to work today have come to work.
The strikers are the MINORITY, and the threatening few are a tiny handful. Be proud of your convictions, join your colleagues, and let's get thiscompany going again.
Then, with the help of the PCCC, we can all negotiate effectively for a secure future.
The strikers are the MINORITY, and the threatening few are a tiny handful. Be proud of your convictions, join your colleagues, and let's get thiscompany going again.
Then, with the help of the PCCC, we can all negotiate effectively for a secure future.
If some of the money I pay, allows people in dispute to join together and protest and be family friendly too, then it is money well spent. It will probably keep those extreme left wingers that a minority of this thread keep commenting on (if they actually exist) away too.
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if we are all staying in the same hotel, and I come across colleagues during my stay, what am I supposed to say or do? I maybe willing to be a strike breaker, but I am not prepared to justify my actions to colleagues downroute. Am I expected to stay in my room for a week and have room service
Zilli, I am glad many posters have offered you their support, and rightly so. But at the end of the day, please consider this -
We have heard a huge amount, especially from those who believe in IA about the huge responsibilities and experience required for the job of CC - dealing with medical emergencies, disruptive passengers, and god forbid a flight emergency. In those situations our passengers will except positive, assertive, immediate action. May I suggest that compared to any of these examples, being afraid to hold a discussion with a colleague who holds opposing views, or hiding in a hotel bedroom are not the image expected by the public. :confused
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Most of them are interfering with our union. They never tell you the truth if they are strike-breakers. If you are serving them food and drinks on the aircraft be careful and don't spit (or worse) in all there food and NEVER give them first class food or club food. They have there own crew food which is better then ours.
A few weeks ago the MET police invoked the anti terrorism act after a similar threat was made.Been in CRC most of today. Of home now, not seen the TV reporters as promised by BASSA to try and put some people of. Plenty of Cabin Crew around, the perception being that there was less than last Saturday, but infact there was more its just that this Saturday they all had flights to go on.
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Unite press release
BA conning passengers Unite warns
So Zorro Masks or Venetian Carnival Masks all round then?
Would solve Zilli's worries too
BA conning passengers Unite warns
instead of fully trained professional crew, they'll be attended to by a ragbag bunch of pilots, managers and strike-breakers masquerading as crew.
Would solve Zilli's worries too
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This dispute won't be solved by industrial action
Steve Turner of UNITE speaking to Sky News from Bedfont this morning:
......and according to BASSA/UNITE
????
"This dispute won't be solved by industrial action......."
If this current action does not achieve a settlement, more strikes are planned for April.
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Does anyone else find it disgusting that our colleagues in Unite are planning a "Family Fun Day" at their picketing HQ at Bedfont Football Ground tomorrow.
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The man at the top
From "The Telegraph":
"... Mr Walsh doesn't have much of a work/life balance. He can "get by on five hours sleep" and according to his staff often comes in very early and never takes holidays. Wouldn't an ordinary person take more time out of work to enjoy the rest of life – friends and family, maybe fly abroad?"
"I have no issues with trade unionism. I genuinely want to make an effort to work in a more constructive way."
""I struggle to say to people that you should ignore what has happened, because you can't ignore it. I wouldn't ignore it."
If Mr Walsh is admitting that as a customer he might not choose to fly British Airways to go on holiday at the moment, it is not clear that he really feels it. This is a man who doesn't like going on holiday, and has no holidays planned."
"I find them (holidays) irritating," he says. "I don't like being inactive. I burn in the sun, so lying on a lounger is like torture to me."
How can a man who find holidays irritating run a business which deals also with leisure travel and holidays, he should probably not be the CEO of BA.
Wrong man in the wrong job. The result is clear, this strike is redicolous.
The Union might be wrong, the CEO might be wrong, who knows who is really right?
What we all know is that BA is a great Airline, with a fantastic loyal workforce, this major carrier cannot be totally destroyed like this and Mr Walsh is not the right person to find the best solution during these difficult times.
He should go on holiday first and maybe relax a bit and calm down.
It is not healthy not to go on holiday for so many years
Running a business does not mean being a dictator: the suspension of travel benefits is a clear obvious unlawful discrimination against the legal strikers and who is going to pay for this incredible misjudgement of the BA Board?
Why nobody on this forum can admit this incredible mistake?
It would have been prefectly lawful if the travel concessions were removed from all BA Employees, but the targeted removal from strikers only goes against all present legislation and it is pure discrimination against those who went on a legal strike.
Final honest comment:
I feel more and more sorry for the BA Cabin Crew Community, all of them, strikers and non-strikers, these men and women are the real victims of a very poor and counter-productive Management style. The damage to the Company and to the lives of thousands of people can be immense.
"... Mr Walsh doesn't have much of a work/life balance. He can "get by on five hours sleep" and according to his staff often comes in very early and never takes holidays. Wouldn't an ordinary person take more time out of work to enjoy the rest of life – friends and family, maybe fly abroad?"
"I have no issues with trade unionism. I genuinely want to make an effort to work in a more constructive way."
""I struggle to say to people that you should ignore what has happened, because you can't ignore it. I wouldn't ignore it."
If Mr Walsh is admitting that as a customer he might not choose to fly British Airways to go on holiday at the moment, it is not clear that he really feels it. This is a man who doesn't like going on holiday, and has no holidays planned."
"I find them (holidays) irritating," he says. "I don't like being inactive. I burn in the sun, so lying on a lounger is like torture to me."
How can a man who find holidays irritating run a business which deals also with leisure travel and holidays, he should probably not be the CEO of BA.
Wrong man in the wrong job. The result is clear, this strike is redicolous.
The Union might be wrong, the CEO might be wrong, who knows who is really right?
What we all know is that BA is a great Airline, with a fantastic loyal workforce, this major carrier cannot be totally destroyed like this and Mr Walsh is not the right person to find the best solution during these difficult times.
He should go on holiday first and maybe relax a bit and calm down.
It is not healthy not to go on holiday for so many years
Running a business does not mean being a dictator: the suspension of travel benefits is a clear obvious unlawful discrimination against the legal strikers and who is going to pay for this incredible misjudgement of the BA Board?
Why nobody on this forum can admit this incredible mistake?
It would have been prefectly lawful if the travel concessions were removed from all BA Employees, but the targeted removal from strikers only goes against all present legislation and it is pure discrimination against those who went on a legal strike.
Final honest comment:
I feel more and more sorry for the BA Cabin Crew Community, all of them, strikers and non-strikers, these men and women are the real victims of a very poor and counter-productive Management style. The damage to the Company and to the lives of thousands of people can be immense.
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Strike after Easter
Rover90 wrote:
According to Steve Turner, if there is no settlement then more industrial action will be called after Easter.
BBC News - BA strike: Second walk-out causes more disruption
......and according to BASSA/UNITE
Quote:
If this current action does not achieve a settlement, more strikes are planned for April.
????
Quote:
If this current action does not achieve a settlement, more strikes are planned for April.
????
BBC News - BA strike: Second walk-out causes more disruption
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I have been a member or at least a silent member of pprune for about the last 6 yrs. I have to be honest here, the posts by various BA pilots have done nothing to win friends for the BA cause.
I am NOT a young filly, I am a purser, and I have been flying for most of my working life, some with other airlines, so I have first hand knowledge of the life outside of BA, and I have no illusions as to the jobs that are open to me in the real world and their pay.
I dont believe my union are doing whats best for me. I believe they are protecting the top table at Bassa, ie the csds. I am not 100% sure that I like what BA are offering, but to be honest I dont want to be, or even hope to be around when the time comes that the BA as I know it is finished. I am more then willing to work for another 4/5 years on the terms that BA have offered. I think BASSA are playing a fools game. WW will win in the end. My colleagues will have lost a lot.
What I am still finding hard to reconsile is, having to work for another 4/5 yrs with these colleagues that decided to strike. I dont want my name to be mud, and even though I am a strong individual, after flying for 25+ years, I value friendships when you are away for days at a time.
I am NOT a young filly, I am a purser, and I have been flying for most of my working life, some with other airlines, so I have first hand knowledge of the life outside of BA, and I have no illusions as to the jobs that are open to me in the real world and their pay.
I dont believe my union are doing whats best for me. I believe they are protecting the top table at Bassa, ie the csds. I am not 100% sure that I like what BA are offering, but to be honest I dont want to be, or even hope to be around when the time comes that the BA as I know it is finished. I am more then willing to work for another 4/5 years on the terms that BA have offered. I think BASSA are playing a fools game. WW will win in the end. My colleagues will have lost a lot.
What I am still finding hard to reconsile is, having to work for another 4/5 yrs with these colleagues that decided to strike. I dont want my name to be mud, and even though I am a strong individual, after flying for 25+ years, I value friendships when you are away for days at a time.
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It is clear now that PPRUNE is in this instance being monopolised by strike breakers and those unsympathetic to the cause. Having been through such a situation I can say never forgive and never forget. Never trust a person who has undermined you and never forget their underhandedness.