British Airways vs. BASSA (Airline Staff Only)
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ottergirl - you say the shorthaul network is being cancelled but my nightstops next week are still in tact and nothing on my roster has been cancelled - believe whatever propaganda you want to, nothing is for certain yet and I think BA are (rightly) keeping their options open
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Absolutely staggering in my opinion - we are taking part in a lawful dispute.
Given that a verdict is unlikely before the beginning of the strike, are you going to go walk out knowing that you may potentially be striking illegally and can be summarily dismissed if it is proven to be the case?
Equally relevant. If BA win this injunction, anyone who took part in the earlier strike will also have taken part in an illegal strike and runs the risk of being summarily dismissed.
BA have wanted rid of the militants since the beginning. That they would achieve it was never in dispute, although how they planned to do it was subject for discussion. This is how they will do it.
So wwcrewmember, will YOU go on strike on Tuesday?
Last throw of the dice for a very worried man - there is no way that BA will win this.
If a court decides that UNITE and BASSA have not complied as required in the previous 2 strike dates, then it was not legal striking. Consequently the vast majority of protection vanishes, retrospectively! How many people will really be willing to stick their necks out next week? Very few, I am willing to wager, very few indeed.
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In answer to the question why apply for the injunction now?
The answer's in the Intranet news item:
"...The Trade Union and Labour Relations (Consolidation) Act 1992 requires unions to send everyone eligible to vote details of the exact breakdown of the ballot result. This point of law was clarified in April following Network Rail’s successful application for an injunction to stop a strike by the RMT..."
So it's a point of law that post-dates the March strikes.
If it does become an illegal strike, that'll be a horrible feeling of deja vu for Tony Woodley, thinking back to the Gate Gourmet events a few years ago
(2005 was it?).
The answer's in the Intranet news item:
"...The Trade Union and Labour Relations (Consolidation) Act 1992 requires unions to send everyone eligible to vote details of the exact breakdown of the ballot result. This point of law was clarified in April following Network Rail’s successful application for an injunction to stop a strike by the RMT..."
So it's a point of law that post-dates the March strikes.
If it does become an illegal strike, that'll be a horrible feeling of deja vu for Tony Woodley, thinking back to the Gate Gourmet events a few years ago
(2005 was it?).
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I had the impression the online ballot was just a straw poll to boost morale for the strikers - isn't this strike still covered by the previous ballot? Or is it that BASSA keep changing the reasons for the strike? Sorry, muddled thinking cos I've OD'd on chocolate after hearing about the injunction.
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Do you have any idea how long it would take to recruit and properly train up over 3000 cabin crew
There are at least 1000 recently unemployed cabin crew who could be refreshed very quickly. Then allowing for "new fleet" scheduling I reckon a full operation within 3 months max. BA are newly flush with cash after not having to pay certain fines.
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BA could operate to minimum levels for some time
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With the strikers sacked, and Bassa rendered ineffective, BA could operate to minimum levels for some time. Wouldn't need 13,000 crew in the future - maybe 11,000.
There are at least 1000 recently unemployed cabin crew who could be refreshed very quickly. Then allowing for "new fleet" scheduling I reckon a full operation within 3 months max. BA are newly flush with cash after not having to pay certain fines.
There are at least 1000 recently unemployed cabin crew who could be refreshed very quickly. Then allowing for "new fleet" scheduling I reckon a full operation within 3 months max. BA are newly flush with cash after not having to pay certain fines.
(The opinions above are personal and not those of my employer)
Not without considerable damage to our brand! Why go there when we don't have to? My experience of training new-entrant crew tells me that our disclosure service struggles when we have two courses a week (24 in each) as does uniform stores, The Rivers, ID unit, etc so I think your optimism is unfounded. Lets hope we don't have to put it to the test, eh!
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Do you have any idea how long it would take to recruit and properly train up over 3000 cabin crew; these are not the same as volunteers who can do without serving hot drinks or administering drugs? Add in CRC and promotion courses and it would screw up our operation with shortages for the best part of a year.
Do you have any idea how long it would take to recruit and properly train up over 3000 cabin crew; these are not the same as volunteers who can do without serving hot drinks or administering drugs? Add in CRC and promotion courses and it would screw up our operation with shortages for the best part of a year.
Don't forget we Eurofleet CSDs have been going on about the lack of work for some time. We have been surplus for the best part of 2009 though work has picked up for me this year inspite of of still getting non-op days occasionally. This does mean a better use of resources on Eurofleet and a smile on our faces in getting more work finally.
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So it could be a couple of years at least to replace the crew then?
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What does the CC vs BA have to do with the Professional Pilots Rumour Network?
Here is the fact, BA have far much more money to withstand a standoff, then the CC can afford to loose with a long drawn out strike, as now is the BA CC next step.
I feel everyone should be paid a fair wage for their work, but it seems NOBODY here can say what the the BA CC really want to achieve, to make this conflict end.
In normal circumstances, if it is that bad, why don't you just leave and find other work? That is the logical conclusion of this now. It is not like BA is the only company in the world you can work for. Personally if I felt I was treated badly, I would just pack my bags and say bye bye! Why don't unhappy BA CC do the same?
Here is the fact, BA have far much more money to withstand a standoff, then the CC can afford to loose with a long drawn out strike, as now is the BA CC next step.
I feel everyone should be paid a fair wage for their work, but it seems NOBODY here can say what the the BA CC really want to achieve, to make this conflict end.
In normal circumstances, if it is that bad, why don't you just leave and find other work? That is the logical conclusion of this now. It is not like BA is the only company in the world you can work for. Personally if I felt I was treated badly, I would just pack my bags and say bye bye! Why don't unhappy BA CC do the same?
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Not without considerable damage to our brand! Why go there when we don't have to? My experience of training new-entrant crew tells me that our disclosure service struggles when we have two courses a week (24 in each) as does uniform stores, The Rivers, ID unit, etc so I think your optimism is unfounded. Lets hope we don't have to put it to the test, eh!
And would it be the same damage to the brand that was caused by the use of VCC in march that actually INCREASED the cabin crew GPM results?
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So 500 no ID holders in 12 weeks against potential 5000+ strikers means 120 weeks or over two years?
We're all replaceable, and its important to remember that when you intend to cost your employer more than you cost to replace.
If no change happens then they would be happy again?
BA cabin crew need realise that BA isn't about them.. BA isn't just them. Many of them need to get a grip, or pack up and ship out.