British Airways - CC Industrial Relations Mk V
MissM
BASSA and BA had a negotiated disruption agreement for use in the event of significant disruption...
The worse winter weather to hit Britain in decades causes significant disruption.
BA asks for BASSA's agreement to trigger disruption agreement.
BASSA says "No"...
It would seem in this case it's BASSA who don't care about what agreements are and what they actually stand for.
No need because BA seems to take matters into their own hands and not care about what agreements are and what they actually stand for
The worse winter weather to hit Britain in decades causes significant disruption.
BA asks for BASSA's agreement to trigger disruption agreement.
BASSA says "No"...
It would seem in this case it's BASSA who don't care about what agreements are and what they actually stand for.
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It is worth noting that UNITE are the main contributor to the Labour party so with a general election likely to happen within 4 months or so; there is NO WAY they will want a public reation like the 12 day Xmas strike caused. They simply cannot risk the public turning their backs on what is already a wounded Labour party.
My own opinion is that this will be decided over and above BASSA's head and settled out of court at sometime before or during the imminent case.
My own opinion is that this will be decided over and above BASSA's head and settled out of court at sometime before or during the imminent case.
Sadly for the BASSA their petty squabble with their employer will not be allowed to disrupt the plans of UNITE to have the Labour Party re-elected.
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Surely one factor is that customers won't be getting to their destinations if there is a strike? How can that be of any benefit of customers (who presumably lose their money) or the airline (which is apparently losing £1m a day)?
The only beneficiaries would seem to be the cabin crews at Heathrow, who are virtually unaffected by the changes anyway, who will be able to flex their muscles and damage both the airline and the passengers - where is the real benefit in that?
For you customers, don't worry because you will be getting to your destination at the expense of BA completely ignoring current agreements for their cabin crew!
The only beneficiaries would seem to be the cabin crews at Heathrow, who are virtually unaffected by the changes anyway, who will be able to flex their muscles and damage both the airline and the passengers - where is the real benefit in that?
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No need because BA seems to take matters into their own hands and not care about what agreements are and what they actually stand for. For you customers, don't worry because you will be getting to your destination at the expense of BA completely ignoring current agreements for their cabin crew!
I suggest you read your jpm's and get aquainted with scheme. Quickly.
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Agreements? Such as the disruption agreement? Or this from another thread by someone claiming to be BA cabin crew?
I personally (although we are told not to do it) when taking the meal order usually take the orders based on FFP rank starting with gold cards, then silver and so on ending with Upgrades and then staff! That way the most important passengers in the cabin are least likely to be put out!
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Surely one factor is that customers won't be getting to their destinations if there is a strike? How can that be of any benefit of customers (who presumably lose their money) or the airline (which is apparently losing £1m a day)?
The only beneficiaries would seem to be the cabin crews at Heathrow, who are virtually unaffected by the changes anyway, who will be able to flex their muscles and damage both the airline and the passengers - where is the real benefit in that?
The only beneficiaries would seem to be the cabin crews at Heathrow, who are virtually unaffected by the changes anyway, who will be able to flex their muscles and damage both the airline and the passengers - where is the real benefit in that?
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Maybe BASSA and its Chairman said no to make a stand after what has been happening lately. Facts remain that BA completely ignored our agreements and decided to take matters into their own hands. Maybe they could have approached BASSA again and tried to find a solution!
But, it's obvious now and even confirmed by BASSA that our are agreements are Gentlemen's Agreements and not even worth the paper they are written on.
Maybe BASSA and its Chairman said no to make a stand after what has been happening lately. Facts remain that BA completely ignored our agreements and decided to take matters into their own hands. Maybe they could have approached BASSA again and tried to find a solution!
But, it's obvious now and even confirmed by BASSA that our are agreements are Gentlemen's Agreements and not even worth the paper they are written on.
MissM
During massive disruption, ie. now, your duty is to your customers (in my time called passengers!) not adherance to your roster.
Safety permitting you should be flying to the CAA limit to get your pax to their destination. As F/C we had/have no need for a Disruption
Agreement, we just got on with the job unless BASSA tried to interfere with the operation. 2 local nights, industrial limits etc. etc.
You should not mind getting inconvenienced now and again on your generous pay and allowances. ( ie WW Purser Lhr £40,000+ p.a.)
Safety permitting you should be flying to the CAA limit to get your pax to their destination. As F/C we had/have no need for a Disruption
Agreement, we just got on with the job unless BASSA tried to interfere with the operation. 2 local nights, industrial limits etc. etc.
You should not mind getting inconvenienced now and again on your generous pay and allowances. ( ie WW Purser Lhr £40,000+ p.a.)
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But, it's obvious now and even confirmed by BASSA that our are agreements are Gentlemen's Agreements and not even worth the paper they are written on.
Agreements are not contractual and therefore, if one side is being obstinate, and let's face it BA asked an awful lot of times for the disruption agreement, the other side can, indeed, side step them to keep the company and the customers on track.
BA is NOT THERE FOR THE PROTECTION OF THE CABIN CREW. BA exists to provide a service for the paying customer and, as in this case, the management have a remit to ensure that the service is provided.
Well done BA, a sensible decision timely taken.
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Maybe the relevant word in that is Gentleman. When you have Ms Malone calling the appointed CEO of a FTSE 100 company a c*** to his face (and reputedly recounting the story with pride), she is certainly no Lady.
It's good to see the CEO and Board taking back control of our company from the lunatic leaders of one part of the workforce for the benefit of the majority of employees, share holders and first and foremost, our passengers. Well done, Willie
But, it's obvious now and even confirmed by BASSA that our are agreements are Gentlemen's Agreements and not even worth the paper they are written on.
It's good to see the CEO and Board taking back control of our company from the lunatic leaders of one part of the workforce for the benefit of the majority of employees, share holders and first and foremost, our passengers. Well done, Willie
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BA is NOT THERE FOR THE PROTECTION OF THE CABIN CREW. BA exists to provide a service for the paying customer and, as in this case, the management have a remit to ensure that the service is provided.
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Maybe BASSA and its Chairman said no to make a stand after what has been happening lately. Facts remain that BA completely ignored our agreements and decided to take matters into their own hands.
Sorry MissM please make your statement factually correct,
BA decided to take matters into their own hands AFTER BASSA and its Chairman completely ignored the agreements by saying said no to invoking the negotiated disruption agreement.
Pathetic and childish behaviour at best.
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Please can someone from the BASSA brigade explain, rationally, why Cabin Crew require 2 local nights rest on disruption when the flight crew can, legally, have minimum rest and then operate home?
Just curious as it would appear to be the tail wagging the dog?
Just curious as it would appear to be the tail wagging the dog?
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But, it's obvious now and even confirmed by BASSA that our are agreements are Gentlemen's Agreements and not even worth the paper they are written on.
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During massive disruption, ie. now, your duty is to your customers (in my time called passengers!) not adherance to your roster.
Maybe if you have been at work lately you probably would have notice that crew are more or less working as much as allowed. I did a trip the other day and duty turned out to be around 16 hours (non long-range btw!).
BA should be very glad time was on their side.
Safety permitting you should be flying to the CAA limit to get your pax to their destination. As F/C we had/have no need for a Disruption
Agreement, we just got on with the job unless BASSA tried to interfere with the operation. 2 local nights, industrial limits etc. etc.
Agreement, we just got on with the job unless BASSA tried to interfere with the operation. 2 local nights, industrial limits etc. etc.
You should not mind getting inconvenienced now and again on your generous pay and allowances. ( ie WW Purser Lhr £40,000+ p.a.)
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Miss M
If BASSA really wanted to take a stand, then they'd put aside their differences with BA and activate the DA for the sake of the customers. However, they managed to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory by refusing to activate it. The kind of behaviour that is barely fit for the school playground.
So glad I asked the question and thanks so much for the reply. True colours and all that.
Why the hell WOULDN'T you want to just get the job done under the current circumstances??? Other staff groups do. It pains me to think that us moderates will be tarred with the same brush as you militants.
Maybe BASSA and its Chairman said no to make a stand after what has been happening lately.
So glad I asked the question and thanks so much for the reply. True colours and all that.
Why the hell WOULDN'T you want to just get the job done under the current circumstances??? Other staff groups do. It pains me to think that us moderates will be tarred with the same brush as you militants.
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Please can someone from the BASSA brigade explain, rationally, why Cabin Crew require 2 local nights rest on disruption when the flight crew can, legally, have minimum rest and then operate home?
Maybe you could email BASSA instead and ask!