British Airways - CC Industrial Relations Mk V
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Romans44 - you are so right. I am very happy that common sense has kicked in and both sides are sitting down to talk. Lets hope that too much posturing and excess testosterone doesn't get in the way! Fingers crossed!
I am feeling that 2010 may not be such a bad year after all
I am feeling that 2010 may not be such a bad year after all
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Now that is interesting. BASSA have the right to strike and cause mayhem but lets just ignore what BA has in it's arsenal.
I re-iterate. 90 days is for the dissenters. The job will be open for anyone who turns up to work the next day with a new contract duly signed.
This is not personal, just playing "devils advocate". And yes, I have been called that before.
Guys, BA has to give 90 days notice to do that....now a lot can happen in 90 days..can we just move forward?
all of this is simple speculation, I don't think BA will ever go down that road but if they do we will simply have to cross that bridge when we come to that.
all of this is simple speculation, I don't think BA will ever go down that road but if they do we will simply have to cross that bridge when we come to that.
I re-iterate. 90 days is for the dissenters. The job will be open for anyone who turns up to work the next day with a new contract duly signed.
This is not personal, just playing "devils advocate". And yes, I have been called that before.
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Rover 90, I am happy to break the silence. I have contacted the lawyers and we will not be held liable. I just can't believe the amount of speculation and false information on this forum.
Shall we wait till the 2nd of Feb and take it from there?
Shall we wait till the 2nd of Feb and take it from there?
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@ Ottergirl ... but how much damage has been done already? Albert Salmon and I are but a miniscule tip of the iceberg who have already said "abBA".
However, for many of you, I inevitably wish you the best possible outcome for yourselves and the company. The next few weeks will be interesting.
However, for many of you, I inevitably wish you the best possible outcome for yourselves and the company. The next few weeks will be interesting.
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Romans44 - you are so right. I am very happy that common sense has kicked in and both sides are sitting down to talk. Lets hope that too much posturing and excess testosterone doesn't get in the way! Fingers crossed!
I am feeling that 2010 may not be such a bad year after all
I am feeling that 2010 may not be such a bad year after all
Stop the bitterness on both sides and lets try to move forward.
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O H Parsons
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Thank you, that is excellent news.
As you have the ear of O H Parsons, could I leave it with you that you will ensure that an similar assurance will be forwarded to all enquiries received by their office on this subject.
I have contacted the lawyers and we will not be held liable. I just can't believe the amount of speculation and false information on this forum.
As you have the ear of O H Parsons, could I leave it with you that you will ensure that an similar assurance will be forwarded to all enquiries received by their office on this subject.
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Well we will just have to re-build our reputation so that you can't resist trying us again
; after all there is no other way. When you've flown with some of our competitors you might feel differently. In a survey of 2,400 business travellers in Dec by Business Travel and Meetings show, BA was voted favourite airline!
Flying last week was interesting because the attitude on this forum had led me to expect some hostility on the aircraft. Quite the contrary was true! In six busy sectors, I had nothing but positive remarks from our customers. There will always be a few who can't forgive and forget but, by and large, I believe our travelling public like BA and feel at home and safe onboard our planes.
Hope to see you again soon. Either way I wish you bon voyage and you will still get a smile when you fly with me, even if you don't nod back!
; after all there is no other way. When you've flown with some of our competitors you might feel differently. In a survey of 2,400 business travellers in Dec by Business Travel and Meetings show, BA was voted favourite airline!Flying last week was interesting because the attitude on this forum had led me to expect some hostility on the aircraft. Quite the contrary was true! In six busy sectors, I had nothing but positive remarks from our customers. There will always be a few who can't forgive and forget but, by and large, I believe our travelling public like BA and feel at home and safe onboard our planes.
Hope to see you again soon. Either way I wish you bon voyage and you will still get a smile when you fly with me, even if you don't nod back!
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Some crew appear to be brainless - read this - taken from CF:
Is it desperate and disgusting trying to get passengers - who actually have paid for their tickets - to their destinations?
Apparently a jumbo has gone out (and I don't think it was the CPT mentioned earlier) with just 12 crew (so 2 down on our imposed levels) AND a 777 has gone with 8 crew all main crew (no CSD or pursers) so two down again. It looks as if they are doing everything they can to get planes off the ground. Desperate and disgusting.
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If BA win the court case.......
On the subject of personal liability......
Is this the same OHP that reportedly stood up at Sandown and said you couldn't get sacked for going on strike?
if u are a crew member you are welcome to ring O H Parson or email them, they are a bunch of very nice people and I am sure they will give you the same assurance.
Now can we move on?
Now can we move on?
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See, this is the problem; it's not bitterness and hate, never has been, never will be. It's merely an issue with the way that the BA CC union dictates everything, from the day-to-day operation, to the disruption-operation, to the opinions of the crew who are not given a responsible forum or means to debate their concerns, merely told in no uncertain terms that only one view is acceptable.
This forum provides the platform for the other view, and as that does not tie-in with the love-in ethics of the BASSA or CrewForum ethos, then it is seen by those who come from there as anti-their views. The biggest problem is, if you are not used to hearing dissent, then you will perceive it as an attack. It is not, it is merely people having the freedom, courtesy of PPRuNe, to state what they actually feel are the issues pertaining to this debate.
Sadly, certain BASSA suppoters cannot engage in a censorship-free environment, and merely resort to mud-slinging. Others do engage, and are still here meeting the challenge of defensing the indefensible headlong, and fair play to them.
The mere fact that this forum exists to allow free and unfettered/unbiased debate of the issues is in itslef justification for its existence. The ones who shout loudest for it to be shut down and over-moderated are the ones who would have only the dictates of BASSA heard, without criticism. Sadly, BASSA has made many moves recently that are quite rightly prime targets for criticism.
The difference is you cannnot criticise BASSA on either its own forum, or CrewForum. Therefore, PPRuNe is the one place where disaffected BASSA members can speak beside the affected BASSA members.
Priceless. Simples.
This forum provides the platform for the other view, and as that does not tie-in with the love-in ethics of the BASSA or CrewForum ethos, then it is seen by those who come from there as anti-their views. The biggest problem is, if you are not used to hearing dissent, then you will perceive it as an attack. It is not, it is merely people having the freedom, courtesy of PPRuNe, to state what they actually feel are the issues pertaining to this debate.
Sadly, certain BASSA suppoters cannot engage in a censorship-free environment, and merely resort to mud-slinging. Others do engage, and are still here meeting the challenge of defensing the indefensible headlong, and fair play to them.
The mere fact that this forum exists to allow free and unfettered/unbiased debate of the issues is in itslef justification for its existence. The ones who shout loudest for it to be shut down and over-moderated are the ones who would have only the dictates of BASSA heard, without criticism. Sadly, BASSA has made many moves recently that are quite rightly prime targets for criticism.
The difference is you cannnot criticise BASSA on either its own forum, or CrewForum. Therefore, PPRuNe is the one place where disaffected BASSA members can speak beside the affected BASSA members.
Priceless. Simples.
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The difference is you cannnot criticise BASSA on either its own forum, or CrewForum. Therefore, PPRuNe is the one place where disaffected BASSA members can speak beside the affected BASSA members
Well said! That's precisely why the likes of myself, HiFlyer14, TorC, Slidebustle, Glamgirl and many others are here.
Thanks to PPruNe as I've said previously.
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Very well put, Plan 10
I've tried to explain it before (unsuccessfully) but you put it much more eloquently. Thank you.
And thank you Pprune for giving us a place to have a voice.
Gg
I've tried to explain it before (unsuccessfully) but you put it much more eloquently. Thank you.
And thank you Pprune for giving us a place to have a voice.
Gg
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True Glamgirl and Tiramisu, but there have been times when posts I've read on this site, although purporting to be just anti-Bassa comments, have cynically devalued the job we do and this is quite upsetting. As 'intelligent' people - a word we seem to hear a lot of in this column, they should have known better! 
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I'm staggered that BASSA insist on sticking to a disruption agreement. Never mind considering how they can best benefit financially from peoples' misfortune at the hands of the weather; how about BA crew just having the decency (and comercial acumen!) to help people out without insisting on being paid extra for it.
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Ben Asher,
I see your point, but sadly this is what happens when a part of our workforce lets us down and we're all tarred with the same brush. Not always but sometimes.
What I do is carry on regardless and try not to take it personally. I have read several post where the reference tends to be to those of extreme views.
I see your point, but sadly this is what happens when a part of our workforce lets us down and we're all tarred with the same brush. Not always but sometimes.
What I do is carry on regardless and try not to take it personally. I have read several post where the reference tends to be to those of extreme views.
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The difference is you cannnot criticise BASSA on either its own forum, or CrewForum. Therefore, PPRuNe is the one place where disaffected BASSA members can speak beside the affected BASSA members
you have a choice guys...
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IMPOSED WILLING TO WORK/ CREW PUNISHED FOR THE SNOW
We are aware that BA have imposed “Willing to Work”!
This means working outside your agreements, remember Willing to Work has NOT been agreed by BASSA.
Also many crew have been affected by the biggest snow fall in 40 years and BA have decided that, if you are unable to make it into work, it will be deemed an unacceptable reason, this means for example on WW you are placed in 12 hour pool and have your next two trips flexed. In effect, you are being punished because of the snow! By the way a senior manager in IFCE could not make it into work either, we wonder if he will face disciplinary action?
This crucial time where we facing the biggest dispute we shall ever see, senior reps face losing their jobs and crew are being suspended right left and centre etc, etc, etc.
It seems a strange attitude to take especially as BA apparently want to open fruitful negotiations........................... ?
More spin and stupidity from a bunch of hooligans intent at causing more misery and financial loss to everyone involved in the operation.
We are aware that BA have imposed “Willing to Work”!
This means working outside your agreements, remember Willing to Work has NOT been agreed by BASSA.
Also many crew have been affected by the biggest snow fall in 40 years and BA have decided that, if you are unable to make it into work, it will be deemed an unacceptable reason, this means for example on WW you are placed in 12 hour pool and have your next two trips flexed. In effect, you are being punished because of the snow! By the way a senior manager in IFCE could not make it into work either, we wonder if he will face disciplinary action?
This crucial time where we facing the biggest dispute we shall ever see, senior reps face losing their jobs and crew are being suspended right left and centre etc, etc, etc.
It seems a strange attitude to take especially as BA apparently want to open fruitful negotiations........................... ?
More spin and stupidity from a bunch of hooligans intent at causing more misery and financial loss to everyone involved in the operation.
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For those who wish to trawl through the many pages, you'll find that many of us who did not agree with BASSA/UNITE, voted No to strike, then resigned.
I'm pleased that we may have a solution as BA and UNITE have agreed to talk.
As far as working during the severe weather, I would do whatever it takes to help out if required by British Airways.
I'm BA Cabin Crew, an ex-UNITE member and the above are my personal views and noth those of BA.
I'm pleased that we may have a solution as BA and UNITE have agreed to talk.
As far as working during the severe weather, I would do whatever it takes to help out if required by British Airways.
I'm BA Cabin Crew, an ex-UNITE member and the above are my personal views and noth those of BA.
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More spin and stupidity from a bunch of hooligans intent at causing more misery and financial loss to everyone involved in the operation
I just can't understand why there are people out there who pay their membership to bassa and then stub them in the back at every possible opportunities.
What is wrong with you people? Do you have any sort of principles?
IF you hate this Union so much just go away and join another union or even better don't have a union at all...
I am sure you will be so much better off...
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As far as working during the severe weather, I would do whatever it takes to help out if required by Brirish Airways