British Airways - CC Industrial Relations Mk V
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Hurrah!
The only problem is I've spent the last few months telling people to vote no and now I want them to vote yes so that I can fly with people who want to be there, who are happy to serve customers and who recognise what a wonderful job we have!
Bring it on!!!
On a more serious note, I would really like to thank those people - pilots, customers, other BA staff, ex-crew, other airline crew who have taken the time to post on here and stipulate that they think BASSA are wrong (for want of a better word) to try and ruin people's lives like this. Some of us within the crew community have been saying this since the last strike in 2007 and the abuse we have had to take for voicing our opinions is quite frankly shocking. When reading this thread and the huge support we have in stopping this rot, I have had tears in my eyes at your support; you have made it all worthwhile.
And on a brighter note.....the requests for info about PCCC have increased hugely since this announcement.
For the first night in a long night, I am going to sleep with less worry about my job and my position than I have had in a very long time.
I am BA cabin crew, and this is my own view and not that of BA.
The only problem is I've spent the last few months telling people to vote no and now I want them to vote yes so that I can fly with people who want to be there, who are happy to serve customers and who recognise what a wonderful job we have!
Bring it on!!!On a more serious note, I would really like to thank those people - pilots, customers, other BA staff, ex-crew, other airline crew who have taken the time to post on here and stipulate that they think BASSA are wrong (for want of a better word) to try and ruin people's lives like this. Some of us within the crew community have been saying this since the last strike in 2007 and the abuse we have had to take for voicing our opinions is quite frankly shocking. When reading this thread and the huge support we have in stopping this rot, I have had tears in my eyes at your support; you have made it all worthwhile.
And on a brighter note.....the requests for info about PCCC have increased hugely since this announcement.
For the first night in a long night, I am going to sleep with less worry about my job and my position than I have had in a very long time.
I am BA cabin crew, and this is my own view and not that of BA.
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I were a passenger I would be very forgiving if the service was perhaps a little rougher than usual as long as I was on my flight.
I think Cheeky Chappy has got it in one.
Let's face it, when it comes down to brass tacks, all the passenger wants is to get from point A to point B in safety.
All the rest is flummery and frills. Our passenger - given the circumstances - would probably make do with a lunch box (or two, or three) during the flight.
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TB as I think you know I am a SCCM on WW fleet LHR.
I am going to get down The Rivers (no longer Beeline House), tomorrow and start lobbying to have the start age raised to 78 so we can get you back onboard.
Our customers and crew would love you.
Would BA accept a volunteer from a 78-er?
I have a valid CRC check, ID, US visa etc etc and still in SEP (doors etc!).
I wouldn't mind helping out (even as an ex-pilot) as long as it didn't affect my VR payment!
I'll commit to working all the way to JFK without a break (and back again). Ditto MIA etc.
With the recent UK weather, my golfing has been extremely restricted for a few weeks, and I could do with a challenge (and increase the downroute spend average for cabin crew to boot, for the HMRC.
I have a valid CRC check, ID, US visa etc etc and still in SEP (doors etc!).
I wouldn't mind helping out (even as an ex-pilot) as long as it didn't affect my VR payment!
I'll commit to working all the way to JFK without a break (and back again). Ditto MIA etc.
With the recent UK weather, my golfing has been extremely restricted for a few weeks, and I could do with a challenge (and increase the downroute spend average for cabin crew to boot, for the HMRC.
I am going to get down The Rivers (no longer Beeline House), tomorrow and start lobbying to have the start age raised to 78 so we can get you back onboard.
Our customers and crew would love you.
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Still confident the company will back down Lurker?
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Maybe one of the all-knowing posters here could inform UNITE of exactly what it should be doing for it's members...
Regardless of whether crew are overpaid or not, they still rely on the money to live their lives. It's not a case of cutting back a little during a period of recession, it's a case of people not being able to pay the mortgage that they took on 10 years ago, with a guarranteed contracted salary in front of them.
How would the flight crew here like it if another airline was started up and offering pilot jobs to people for £20k? There would be plenty of people applying because it's still seen, rightly or wrongly, as a "glamourous" job. Would you be happy if WW started saying "well X-Air are paying £20k, so we'll pay our pilots £20k plus 10%"?
I've been cabin crew for 6 years. I don't think I'm anything special, but I do think I work as hard as is legally allowed, I give a huge amount of my life to the company and I'm experienced and good at my job. I have a modest mortgage on a modest flat in a modest town in the South East. Why should I let BA take that away? Why shouldn't I fight against WW if he's trying to destroy that? Am I really being selfish to want to keep the small home I've earned through many years of hard work?
Regardless of whether crew are overpaid or not, they still rely on the money to live their lives. It's not a case of cutting back a little during a period of recession, it's a case of people not being able to pay the mortgage that they took on 10 years ago, with a guarranteed contracted salary in front of them.
How would the flight crew here like it if another airline was started up and offering pilot jobs to people for £20k? There would be plenty of people applying because it's still seen, rightly or wrongly, as a "glamourous" job. Would you be happy if WW started saying "well X-Air are paying £20k, so we'll pay our pilots £20k plus 10%"?
I've been cabin crew for 6 years. I don't think I'm anything special, but I do think I work as hard as is legally allowed, I give a huge amount of my life to the company and I'm experienced and good at my job. I have a modest mortgage on a modest flat in a modest town in the South East. Why should I let BA take that away? Why shouldn't I fight against WW if he's trying to destroy that? Am I really being selfish to want to keep the small home I've earned through many years of hard work?
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dns,
We've been through this so many times on this thread already: The company do not want a pay cut. For reasons best known to themselves, the union offered a pay cut. The company has done a pay freeze (which incidentally was in the union proposal as well).
Gg
We've been through this so many times on this thread already: The company do not want a pay cut. For reasons best known to themselves, the union offered a pay cut. The company has done a pay freeze (which incidentally was in the union proposal as well).
Gg
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@ dns:
But they're NOT asking you to take a wage cut. That is not what you're going to strike for.
I've been cabin crew for 6 years. I don't think I'm anything special, but I do think I work as hard as is legally allowed, I give a huge amount of my life to the company and I'm experienced and good at my job. I have a modest mortgage on a modest flat in a modest town in the South East. Why should I let BA take that away? Why shouldn't I fight against WW if he's trying to destroy that? Am I really being selfish to want to keep the small home I've earned through many years of hard work?
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MissM #2216
This is nothing but a PR trick from WW to turn everyone against us and show that everyone else in BA are the good guys and BA cabin crew are the bad guys.
If your union(s) want to win hearts and minds they will have to do better than to threaten crippling strikes. No customer of any airline likes to have his/her travel plans fouled up by a (perceived) bunch of bolshies.
Go back to BASSA*/Amicus*/Unite* and tell them to think about that. And if your "protectors" do not you can consider yourselves short-changed and betrayed.
They are raking in £15 a month from each of their members. They will have jobs during and after this strike.
Will you, MissM? Willie Walsh will not relent on this one. THINK ON.
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1. A stated aim to destroy BA? Do you honestly think BASSA would have as a primary goal to destroy BA? I have paid a lot of attetion to whatever they have said and written in their newsletters and I can't remember that they have openly said "Our goal is to destroy British Airways and leave you with no jobs".
2. Rather than letting WW achieve whatever he wants to achieve, including getting rid of crew instead of being forced onto New Fleet and this 52 redeployment plan, I would rather see BA go bust. So, maybe I did say that.
3. Did I ever say I don't care about LGW? I have said that they sold themselves down the river in 2005 when they agreed to introduce Single Fleet.
4. I said that I have saved money but it certainly doesn't mean that I'm rich.
5. I do but unfortunately there are crew who don't. Some of them don't even realise that the tax issue only concerns our meal allowances and nothing else. I can't comment on how BASSA dealt with this but it probably could have been dealt better with. If crew have any problem with it and think that they are being taxed too much they can send their receipts to HMRC and cross their fingers for a refund.
1. A stated aim to destroy BA? Do you honestly think BASSA would have as a primary goal to destroy BA? I have paid a lot of attetion to whatever they have said and written in their newsletters and I can't remember that they have openly said "Our goal is to destroy British Airways and leave you with no jobs".
2. Rather than letting WW achieve whatever he wants to achieve, including getting rid of crew instead of being forced onto New Fleet and this 52 redeployment plan, I would rather see BA go bust. So, maybe I did say that.
3. Did I ever say I don't care about LGW? I have said that they sold themselves down the river in 2005 when they agreed to introduce Single Fleet.
4. I said that I have saved money but it certainly doesn't mean that I'm rich.
5. I do but unfortunately there are crew who don't. Some of them don't even realise that the tax issue only concerns our meal allowances and nothing else. I can't comment on how BASSA dealt with this but it probably could have been dealt better with. If crew have any problem with it and think that they are being taxed too much they can send their receipts to HMRC and cross their fingers for a refund.
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DNS - for the umpteenth time, the only people who have proposed a pay cut for you are BASSA. New Fleet was off the table, but BASSA didn't want to work hard enough to match the savings, so know your nemesis is back and your union is irrelevant. They have brought you to this destructive nightmare.
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@ MissM
Crossing fingers woudn't need to happen if the subs paid each month were put to use to negotiate better with the tax man rather than concentrating on a lost cause that is called a strike.
I do but unfortunately there are crew who don't. Some of them don't even realise that the tax issue only concerns our meal allowances and nothing else. I can't comment on how BASSA dealt with this but it probably could have been dealt better with. If crew have any problem with it and think that they are being taxed too much they can send their receipts to HMRC and cross their fingers for a refund.
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It's degrading when WW all of the suddens ask the entire airline to volunteer for our positions
If that's what it takes to shock BASSA/Amicus/Unite and their duped cohorts of cabin crew into recognising harsh reality so be it.
Willie Walsh is not playing games, MissM; he is running a business and - believe it or not - trying to save the livelihoods of every community in the company, the company's contractors and their employees, the jobs of the staff down-line and their families.
The list of potential casualties from your (plural) actions must run into hundreds of thousands.
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Here's the response from Lalalalalalalalady regarding the latest unite statement (the one that included the offensive word a few pages back):
No apology. Blame others (as usual). By tomorrow, it'll be too late anyways.
Gg
Hi Guys , it was all done very quickly and we have fed back already about using the rhetoric. There will be more going out to the press tomorrow , around the H&S issues that this may have.
No apology. Blame others (as usual). By tomorrow, it'll be too late anyways.
Gg
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BA always wins any media war simply because passengers need to get to their destinations. I can't actually think of any cabin crew strike which has had a 100% public support. Feel free to prove me otherwise.
Most of us know that UNITE receives a lot of membership fees every month and many also think that UNITE should get on with contacting the media and get their side of the story published. Look at CrewForum as there's a ongoing thread there about it. I also think that they should do it but to be honest I don't think it would make any difference. Maybe UNITE is acting too late. As I have said in previous posts I don't always agree with everything they are doing. The last ballot last year was a huge fiasco and it's not the first time BASSA has made a mistake.
I don't want to strike and the thought of possibly doing it is sickening to say the least. It would be a great relief if BA and UNITE could come to an agreement tonight or tomorrow.
BA always wins any media war simply because passengers need to get to their destinations. I can't actually think of any cabin crew strike which has had a 100% public support. Feel free to prove me otherwise.
Most of us know that UNITE receives a lot of membership fees every month and many also think that UNITE should get on with contacting the media and get their side of the story published. Look at CrewForum as there's a ongoing thread there about it. I also think that they should do it but to be honest I don't think it would make any difference. Maybe UNITE is acting too late. As I have said in previous posts I don't always agree with everything they are doing. The last ballot last year was a huge fiasco and it's not the first time BASSA has made a mistake.
I don't want to strike and the thought of possibly doing it is sickening to say the least. It would be a great relief if BA and UNITE could come to an agreement tonight or tomorrow.
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MissM
This is serious stuff, it is not a PR stunt.
It'll be interesting to see how many voluteers step up, that in itself will send a big message, I think you'll be suprised. Don't forget there are 25,000 other people who's jobs are on the line if this action was protracted, do you think they will just sit there and watch our company go down the tubes? I don't think so.
Good Luck
It'll be interesting to see how many voluteers step up, that in itself will send a big message, I think you'll be suprised. Don't forget there are 25,000 other people who's jobs are on the line if this action was protracted, do you think they will just sit there and watch our company go down the tubes? I don't think so.
Good Luck