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Over It!!!
My POST was aimed at people who have never flown before. In the future I will keep my comments to myself and Syd Girl you can than deal with all these people that complain about the salary and conditions etc as my post was aimed at those people. Reality sets in after five minutes and through my post I just wanted to educate them a little.
FYI I have flown now for over 16 years 2 years at Eastern and than onto QF I didnt mention my flying experience before that so I do know what I am talking about. Although in the big scheme of things the number of flying years means nothing.
As for Impulse, great go get as much as you can. You have done exceptionally well so far considering your terms and conditions from Air Crews Control and how many years have you been with QF 2-3.
FYI I have flown now for over 16 years 2 years at Eastern and than onto QF I didnt mention my flying experience before that so I do know what I am talking about. Although in the big scheme of things the number of flying years means nothing.
As for Impulse, great go get as much as you can. You have done exceptionally well so far considering your terms and conditions from Air Crews Control and how many years have you been with QF 2-3.
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Saloon I understand what you are saying. Studying is hard you dont make much and you dont have much room to breathe. Been there done that and although scary as it may seem the REAL WORLD is the $400 basic salary!
Uni isn't a prerequisite for being a regional flight attendant....I studied and at the end of it I got a job in the career I thought I wanted to pursue earning good money...but then I just wanted a career change. I dont regret study, everything was beneficial.
The airline industry is competitive and for many people just being a flight attendant is an amazing goal to achieve full stop! *congrats all you new flight attendants* ;-) I guess aiming for a salary is less priority at the time but you have the opportunity to focus on it once you are stable somewhere in the industry.
I guess instead of spending 3 years studying full time uni you could perhaps look at it from the perspective that flying regionally for 3 years is like studying full time. You dont earn that much but you LEARN ALOT!!!! :-) and perhaps after that progressing into a position with a higher paying salary is the next goal.
In the meantime if money is of a particular importance at this time of your life may I suggest looking at alternatives careers for awhile? Perhaps in an industry relating to what you studied so you can get satisfaction and experience.
Well....
Lets just hope that regional flight attendants do get a pay increase :-) if not....enjoy lotsa happy flying!!!!
:-)
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Uni isn't a prerequisite for being a regional flight attendant....I studied and at the end of it I got a job in the career I thought I wanted to pursue earning good money...but then I just wanted a career change. I dont regret study, everything was beneficial.
The airline industry is competitive and for many people just being a flight attendant is an amazing goal to achieve full stop! *congrats all you new flight attendants* ;-) I guess aiming for a salary is less priority at the time but you have the opportunity to focus on it once you are stable somewhere in the industry.
I guess instead of spending 3 years studying full time uni you could perhaps look at it from the perspective that flying regionally for 3 years is like studying full time. You dont earn that much but you LEARN ALOT!!!! :-) and perhaps after that progressing into a position with a higher paying salary is the next goal.
In the meantime if money is of a particular importance at this time of your life may I suggest looking at alternatives careers for awhile? Perhaps in an industry relating to what you studied so you can get satisfaction and experience.
Well....
Lets just hope that regional flight attendants do get a pay increase :-) if not....enjoy lotsa happy flying!!!!
:-)
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Well said qfmike! That last post put alot into perspective. I totally agree that regional fa experience would be worth far more (on a more personal level) in the long run - that is the reason that I want to start with a regional (believe it or not). Currently I don't have many commitments (ie dependants, repayments, etc) so I could live off $400 basic a week. But I feel that if it is going to take a substantial number of years to progress salaries should increase accordingly (and fairly, I am hardly saying $60 000 pa for a fifth year fa).
I also can see where SydGirl is coming from. It is illogical to agree to terms and conditions of your contract and then after six months be expecting that contract to change in your favour! You have to work within the boundaries of the system. Whining about low pay isn't going to change anything, but expressing your concerns to the union and then voting accordingly on the EBA will!
And GalleyHag, your comments were appreciated! We all need the inside info and a reality check from those in the know from time to time.
I also can see where SydGirl is coming from. It is illogical to agree to terms and conditions of your contract and then after six months be expecting that contract to change in your favour! You have to work within the boundaries of the system. Whining about low pay isn't going to change anything, but expressing your concerns to the union and then voting accordingly on the EBA will!
And GalleyHag, your comments were appreciated! We all need the inside info and a reality check from those in the know from time to time.
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Well said
Hey qfmike737 and Saloon
Your last comments are great and I agree that getting a job with a regional airline would provide one with heaps of experience.
Qfmike737 your comments and enthusiasm are always quite refreshing.
Cheers
vdd
Your last comments are great and I agree that getting a job with a regional airline would provide one with heaps of experience.
Qfmike737 your comments and enthusiasm are always quite refreshing.
Cheers
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Interesting to see the different views on EAA working conditions, so I thought I would throw in my two bob's worth.
As others have said, Eastern is a good company to work for, but the more influence the evil empire has, the harder some of the pills are to swallow. Sure you know what you get when you sign up, but obviously Qantas managers have no conscience at all to have full time employees, working in positions of responsibility being paid a wage which is almost below the poverty line. I would be embarrassed if I had to admit it, but they probably just rub their hands together and think for everyone they pay that amount they will receive it in bonuses.
It has to have some effect on performance regardless of how professional the attitude of the employee.
Sure the experience is good, the problem is that you cannot live off $27000 a year in Sydney unless you have some outside support in the form of family or partner. The other option is a second job, which a lot used to do, but as working conditions have changed over the years a second job is just sometimes not an option.
When FA's first started with EAA shifts were pretty short and there were only 20-30 FA's. There was the option of a second job as people had both the time and energy to do it. For the amount of time they spent at work the pay seemed OK, especially with QF only a few years away. Over the years the working conditions have changed, shifts have become longer, but it seemed everyone still hung out for progression rather than trying to improve the situation for those currently there and those to join in the future.
Qantas have played on this and unless the current group make a stand to get their pay up to a decent level they will only fall further behind the 8 ball. Banking on progression under the current restrictions is ridiculous, especially as other QLink FA's earn considerably more for doing the same job. Even if progression goes up to a guaranteed 20 a year, it is now 6 years away for those just joining.
How it is done I am not sure, but someone needs to stand up for what has been eroded over the years by management, and maybe, a lack of vision from previous flight attendant groups.
As others have said, Eastern is a good company to work for, but the more influence the evil empire has, the harder some of the pills are to swallow. Sure you know what you get when you sign up, but obviously Qantas managers have no conscience at all to have full time employees, working in positions of responsibility being paid a wage which is almost below the poverty line. I would be embarrassed if I had to admit it, but they probably just rub their hands together and think for everyone they pay that amount they will receive it in bonuses.
It has to have some effect on performance regardless of how professional the attitude of the employee.
Sure the experience is good, the problem is that you cannot live off $27000 a year in Sydney unless you have some outside support in the form of family or partner. The other option is a second job, which a lot used to do, but as working conditions have changed over the years a second job is just sometimes not an option.
When FA's first started with EAA shifts were pretty short and there were only 20-30 FA's. There was the option of a second job as people had both the time and energy to do it. For the amount of time they spent at work the pay seemed OK, especially with QF only a few years away. Over the years the working conditions have changed, shifts have become longer, but it seemed everyone still hung out for progression rather than trying to improve the situation for those currently there and those to join in the future.
Qantas have played on this and unless the current group make a stand to get their pay up to a decent level they will only fall further behind the 8 ball. Banking on progression under the current restrictions is ridiculous, especially as other QLink FA's earn considerably more for doing the same job. Even if progression goes up to a guaranteed 20 a year, it is now 6 years away for those just joining.
How it is done I am not sure, but someone needs to stand up for what has been eroded over the years by management, and maybe, a lack of vision from previous flight attendant groups.
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EBA IV
For those Eastern F/A's whom frequent this site, be cautious about what message you may be sending your collegues. Particularly when discussing sensitive issues like the new EBA.
A vote 'NO' is your choice and indeed your right.
All I ask is that you study the new document, consider it's merit for ALL F/A's, thoroughly understand it's content, and attend the information sessions. Finally, please contact your representatives to discuss any issues of concern.
Is the new agreement everything we ask for? No, it's not.
But it is an improvment on all levels. The EBA team feel they have achieved the best possible result without the negotiations becoming dangerously circular.
Please cosider what a 'NO' vote may mean for you and your collegues.
A vote 'NO' is your choice and indeed your right.
All I ask is that you study the new document, consider it's merit for ALL F/A's, thoroughly understand it's content, and attend the information sessions. Finally, please contact your representatives to discuss any issues of concern.
Is the new agreement everything we ask for? No, it's not.
But it is an improvment on all levels. The EBA team feel they have achieved the best possible result without the negotiations becoming dangerously circular.
Please cosider what a 'NO' vote may mean for you and your collegues.
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I think it is also extremely important to understand what a 'Yes' vote will mean for the Eastern Cabin Crew, especially for such a long duration.
A 'No' vote will certainly initiate new discussions, hopefully focussing on 'lifestyle' issues.
A 'No' vote will certainly initiate new discussions, hopefully focussing on 'lifestyle' issues.
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Most of the proposed EBA is geared to 'Lifestyle'.
Consider the introduction of
i) Part-time for 10% of our crew complement.
ii) Access to single week leave blocks.
iii)Days in Lieu and a payment in exchange for working a DDO.
iv) Four roster requests in stead of three.
v) Confirmed 28day rosters instead of fortnightly.
vii) Allowances paid fortnightly instead of monthly.
Voting 'NO' will not necessarily mean more discussions with management. Firstly, an emergency general meeting would be called and Flight Attendants would have the opportunity to discuss their concerns and decide where to go from there. (Thats if everyone bothers to turn up)
It could mean Industrial action or futher discussions with management.
Be sure about one thing, we may very well see the erosion of the good initiatives we have made with this agreement.
But hey, just call me, you know who I am. I'm more than happy to discuss this further.
Most of the proposed EBA is geared to 'Lifestyle'.
Consider the introduction of
i) Part-time for 10% of our crew complement.
ii) Access to single week leave blocks.
iii)Days in Lieu and a payment in exchange for working a DDO.
iv) Four roster requests in stead of three.
v) Confirmed 28day rosters instead of fortnightly.
vii) Allowances paid fortnightly instead of monthly.
Voting 'NO' will not necessarily mean more discussions with management. Firstly, an emergency general meeting would be called and Flight Attendants would have the opportunity to discuss their concerns and decide where to go from there. (Thats if everyone bothers to turn up)
It could mean Industrial action or futher discussions with management.
Be sure about one thing, we may very well see the erosion of the good initiatives we have made with this agreement.
But hey, just call me, you know who I am. I'm more than happy to discuss this further.
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Hi Negotiator.
Thankyou for your thoughts on what must have been an exhausting adventure. Enterprise bargaining is a very difficult task, requiring very dedicated people to accommplish this. I am certain that many cabin crew are grateful that you are doing this on their behalf as well. But, you already know that it is hard to please everyone, especially when every individual has a different 'want' from an EBA.
Thanks for including a new 'part-time' work arrangement.
As everyone's interpretation of what a 'part-time' work arrangement should look like, I should have made my interpretation of the word 'Lifestyle', clear as well. For me, it is the ability to earn more pay and to afford a better future for myself.
I must stress here that the payscale at Eastern was made very clear to me before I signed my employment contract. I was content to supplement my wage with a second work arrangement.
However, it was also implied that there were ample opportunities to earn much more money in over-time and overnight allowances.
In reality, I have found both illusive and difficult to acheive.
There is also little stability with my work schedule, which I understand can be just the nature of the business itself.
Because every persons financial arrangements are different, I will need to seek an alternative very soon. Although I enjoy aviation with a passion, I dont want to trade my house for the love affair with it.
After much agonising, I have unfortunately decided to exit the business at my earliest opportunity.
Having said that, I recall a moment from a past aviation life, where I had the pleasure of negtiating equipment for leased B747 aircraft from a Singapore based airline company.
I learnt a lot about having all of the finest details made in all contracts after some irritating and embarrassing situations. I also developed a fondness to many proverbs I would hear.
'Never accept first offer', was one from a gentleman I used to deal with there.
But then again, when pressed for promised replacement equipment, he would also add, 'ah yes, we said we would replace, but we didn't say when'!
Best wishes and good fortune with the negotiations!
also
Thankyou for your thoughts on what must have been an exhausting adventure. Enterprise bargaining is a very difficult task, requiring very dedicated people to accommplish this. I am certain that many cabin crew are grateful that you are doing this on their behalf as well. But, you already know that it is hard to please everyone, especially when every individual has a different 'want' from an EBA.
Thanks for including a new 'part-time' work arrangement.
As everyone's interpretation of what a 'part-time' work arrangement should look like, I should have made my interpretation of the word 'Lifestyle', clear as well. For me, it is the ability to earn more pay and to afford a better future for myself.
I must stress here that the payscale at Eastern was made very clear to me before I signed my employment contract. I was content to supplement my wage with a second work arrangement.
However, it was also implied that there were ample opportunities to earn much more money in over-time and overnight allowances.
In reality, I have found both illusive and difficult to acheive.
There is also little stability with my work schedule, which I understand can be just the nature of the business itself.
Because every persons financial arrangements are different, I will need to seek an alternative very soon. Although I enjoy aviation with a passion, I dont want to trade my house for the love affair with it.
After much agonising, I have unfortunately decided to exit the business at my earliest opportunity.
Having said that, I recall a moment from a past aviation life, where I had the pleasure of negtiating equipment for leased B747 aircraft from a Singapore based airline company.
I learnt a lot about having all of the finest details made in all contracts after some irritating and embarrassing situations. I also developed a fondness to many proverbs I would hear.
'Never accept first offer', was one from a gentleman I used to deal with there.
But then again, when pressed for promised replacement equipment, he would also add, 'ah yes, we said we would replace, but we didn't say when'!
Best wishes and good fortune with the negotiations!
also
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Good luck to everyone attending the Eastern Interview tommorrow!!!!
My advice is to be yourself and if you are younger....show that you are a mature person that can handle any situation.
For those that do not succeed...DONT GIVE UP try again and you will be much stronger and confident :-)
Bye Bye and happy flying!
My advice is to be yourself and if you are younger....show that you are a mature person that can handle any situation.
For those that do not succeed...DONT GIVE UP try again and you will be much stronger and confident :-)
Bye Bye and happy flying!
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Any more Eastern interviews?
Hi guyes, anyone know of any more eastern interviews, im kind of pissed off i did get a phone call inviting me for an inteview.
They miss out on so many quality people.
They miss out on so many quality people.
