QANTAS CABIN CREW DISCUSSIONS ( IV)
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Originally Posted by Lurker@L5
why does the cabin crew thread always get a "thumbs down" symbol?
The only way to change it is for people to give it a better rating, so I suggest you put in a vote Lurker@L5.
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it is interesting
since the announcment of VR one would assume the boys/girls in the bunker would have had some sort of strategy/plan 
in place how to deal with various numbers of exiting cabin crew. appears resources works to normal routine-no idea what to do.
in place how to deal with various numbers of exiting cabin crew. appears resources works to normal routine-no idea what to do.
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A strategy ??????
QCC.............you mentioned STRATEGY.
This word is bandied around by the high flying "corporates" but it means JACK at QF.
There is NO PLAN. Its just a running series of Wham Bam,/ Slip , Slop, Slap, -near enough is good enough approach to Customer Service, Fleet planning, .....and as for People mangement-the "strategy" is ridicule, rip and regurgitate!!!!!
This VR is becoming yet another debacle.
Again, we have done what was required, ie follow the VR process, stick to their deadlines. Now for the exit date ..........P--s orf ! we are not ready to release you yet.
I have left 3 messages on voice mail today of our People managers-nil response and now I was just told from BOS that the Dopes are off until Tuesday due to Monday being a Bank Holiday.
Hello.............last time I checked I was working for an Airline. Since when do our People Managers work for a defacto Bank.
We get shat upon constantly by others saying that all crew are rorters and take heaps of sick leave blah blah blah.
So when WE need service from a legitamate querey ......we now have to wait another 3 days.
These morons have outdone themselves this time !!!!
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This word is bandied around by the high flying "corporates" but it means JACK at QF.
There is NO PLAN. Its just a running series of Wham Bam,/ Slip , Slop, Slap, -near enough is good enough approach to Customer Service, Fleet planning, .....and as for People mangement-the "strategy" is ridicule, rip and regurgitate!!!!!
This VR is becoming yet another debacle.
Again, we have done what was required, ie follow the VR process, stick to their deadlines. Now for the exit date ..........P--s orf ! we are not ready to release you yet.
I have left 3 messages on voice mail today of our People managers-nil response and now I was just told from BOS that the Dopes are off until Tuesday due to Monday being a Bank Holiday.
Hello.............last time I checked I was working for an Airline. Since when do our People Managers work for a defacto Bank.
We get shat upon constantly by others saying that all crew are rorters and take heaps of sick leave blah blah blah.
So when WE need service from a legitamate querey ......we now have to wait another 3 days.
These morons have outdone themselves this time !!!!
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There is NO plan!
Today they have announced a leave reduction, temp part-time and limited VR program for SH. On the same piece of paper they list days where LH have been called in to cover shortages in planned SH patterns and that SYD open time is to cover PER shortages... All this when we are told PER and SH generally is over crewed yet they recruit Contract C (85 hour min) casuals like there is no tomorrow.
What the?!
Pardon me for being a ditz but I don't see ANY method in this madness. Can anyone enlighten me?
Also anyone know how the VR at LH will be awarded? I met a CSM in SIN the other day who was very excited about the prospect of leaving after 34 years.
What the?!
Pardon me for being a ditz but I don't see ANY method in this madness. Can anyone enlighten me?
Also anyone know how the VR at LH will be awarded? I met a CSM in SIN the other day who was very excited about the prospect of leaving after 34 years.
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Day of Action -17th August
"Pardon me for being a ditz but I don't see ANY method in this madness. Can anyone enlighten me?"
Good one Ditzy.....you ARE the enlightened one.
There is TOTAL madness in their methods..............its called UTTER STUPIDITY.
I for one will be attending the next AGM ( Aug 17 ) and "voicing " my disgust at those punces masquerading as board members.
I've got nothing to lose!!! The "hit squad" ( team Managers) will be impotent to retaliate as .............I'm outta here. &&^$#@@$%**^%!!
My question without notice ( except if a board member reads this !!!! )
1.WHAT WILL BE THE EXECUTIVE SHARE BONUS DIVIDEND BE FOR THE 2005/2006 FINANCIAL YEAR ??????
2.WHAT IS THE STRATEGY FOR THE IMPLEMENTATION OF WORKCHOICES???
Good one Ditzy.....you ARE the enlightened one.
There is TOTAL madness in their methods..............its called UTTER STUPIDITY.
I for one will be attending the next AGM ( Aug 17 ) and "voicing " my disgust at those punces masquerading as board members.
I've got nothing to lose!!! The "hit squad" ( team Managers) will be impotent to retaliate as .............I'm outta here. &&^$#@@$%**^%!!
My question without notice ( except if a board member reads this !!!! )
1.WHAT WILL BE THE EXECUTIVE SHARE BONUS DIVIDEND BE FOR THE 2005/2006 FINANCIAL YEAR ??????
2.WHAT IS THE STRATEGY FOR THE IMPLEMENTATION OF WORKCHOICES???
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A QF Planning session
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GGM=Group General Manager.
BM=Base Manger.
CM=Cabin Crew Managers
Scene: Meeting room gathering with all of the above present.( May '06)
GGM: "OK, everyone we have just been told from HR that we are not "best practice". A benchmark organisation ( eg Westpac) has an attrition rate of 11%. Cabin Crew L/H is 1.5%. We need a strategy to get this figure up, plus we need to rid ourselves of the 35-55 demographic of pot belied , balding stewards and pearshaped menopausal hosties. We've hit them with "Crew Connect", a crap EBA, LHR base, Regional flying, LSL direction, expansion of Kiwi Base, Buenaventure, JFK shuttles.......and they still won't leave. Any ideas??
BM: mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.
CM:ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh.
GGM: Come on you clowns , your KPI bonus is at risk!
CM#1: Oh, what about VR?
BM: Great idea,why didn't I think of that.OK, CM#1 you draft a expression of interest document. Lets say the number will be , ahhhhhhhhhhh, what about my street number, ie 326!!!!!!!!!!!.
BM: Brilliant idea GGM. OK , eveyone lets get to it.
CM#2: Do you think we need to tell Pattern Planning?
BM: Shut up, we'll worry about that later.
LATER COMES......... there are over 500 expression of interests confirmed.
BM: GGM, well we got our numbers, now what???? We can't let them go, pattern planning tells us there is a crew shortage.
GGM: No worries, lets just turn all the flying over to Regional haul and recruit more C-grade Casuals.
BM: Still not enough?
GGM: Well, we'll boost the CNS base.
BM: Still not enough?
GGM: We'll make the AKL base like the LHR base, ie appoint CSM's and they can do their own thing .
BM: Gee, you're clever GGM, I would love to be able to make decisions like you one day.
MUCH, MUCH LATER.
After more delays the A-380 will be arriving-Nov07.
BM: GGM, we haven't got enough crew, the FAAA will not give us any more dispensations for minimum operating flights, we had to cancel 3 flights last week -due to lack of standby's.........????????
GGM: You idiots, can't you make a decision yourselves. This is our opportunity to bring in AWA's. Lets make a A-380 division........all on contracts. Employ young, nubile, spunky 18 year olds and lets roll them over and churn-em out.
CCM:1 The EBA states that the A-380 is to be crewed by L/H.
BM: The EBA is a thing of the past, its extinct, gone deceased.......get with it CM:1 or GET OUT!
much much much later.
All sitting in a Pizza Hut restaurant......end of finacial year bash
GGM: Thanks everyone for another great year. Our attrition/burn out rate is 16%...........
BM: Whooooooooo Hooooooooooooo
CM: Rah rahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh.
GGM: Now, I only has to Sprites and 3 pieces of Ham & Cheesa pizza.......thats all I'm paying for!!!!!!!!
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GGM=Group General Manager.
BM=Base Manger.
CM=Cabin Crew Managers
Scene: Meeting room gathering with all of the above present.( May '06)
GGM: "OK, everyone we have just been told from HR that we are not "best practice". A benchmark organisation ( eg Westpac) has an attrition rate of 11%. Cabin Crew L/H is 1.5%. We need a strategy to get this figure up, plus we need to rid ourselves of the 35-55 demographic of pot belied , balding stewards and pearshaped menopausal hosties. We've hit them with "Crew Connect", a crap EBA, LHR base, Regional flying, LSL direction, expansion of Kiwi Base, Buenaventure, JFK shuttles.......and they still won't leave. Any ideas??
BM: mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.
CM:ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh.
GGM: Come on you clowns , your KPI bonus is at risk!
CM#1: Oh, what about VR?
BM: Great idea,why didn't I think of that.OK, CM#1 you draft a expression of interest document. Lets say the number will be , ahhhhhhhhhhh, what about my street number, ie 326!!!!!!!!!!!.
BM: Brilliant idea GGM. OK , eveyone lets get to it.
CM#2: Do you think we need to tell Pattern Planning?
BM: Shut up, we'll worry about that later.
LATER COMES......... there are over 500 expression of interests confirmed.
BM: GGM, well we got our numbers, now what???? We can't let them go, pattern planning tells us there is a crew shortage.
GGM: No worries, lets just turn all the flying over to Regional haul and recruit more C-grade Casuals.
BM: Still not enough?
GGM: Well, we'll boost the CNS base.
BM: Still not enough?
GGM: We'll make the AKL base like the LHR base, ie appoint CSM's and they can do their own thing .
BM: Gee, you're clever GGM, I would love to be able to make decisions like you one day.
MUCH, MUCH LATER.
After more delays the A-380 will be arriving-Nov07.
BM: GGM, we haven't got enough crew, the FAAA will not give us any more dispensations for minimum operating flights, we had to cancel 3 flights last week -due to lack of standby's.........????????
GGM: You idiots, can't you make a decision yourselves. This is our opportunity to bring in AWA's. Lets make a A-380 division........all on contracts. Employ young, nubile, spunky 18 year olds and lets roll them over and churn-em out.
CCM:1 The EBA states that the A-380 is to be crewed by L/H.
BM: The EBA is a thing of the past, its extinct, gone deceased.......get with it CM:1 or GET OUT!
much much much later.
All sitting in a Pizza Hut restaurant......end of finacial year bash
GGM: Thanks everyone for another great year. Our attrition/burn out rate is 16%...........
BM: Whooooooooo Hooooooooooooo
CM: Rah rahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh.
GGM: Now, I only has to Sprites and 3 pieces of Ham & Cheesa pizza.......thats all I'm paying for!!!!!!!!
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outstanding www
keep up the entertainment
however on a more sad note our domestic collegues have accepted the IBIS dump in brisbane as new crew hotel. the standards are slipping fast
however on a more sad note our domestic collegues have accepted the IBIS dump in brisbane as new crew hotel. the standards are slipping fast
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from what I have been told the PUB in Canberra is worse, its right in the middle of the housing commission complex, It's a Motel style accommodation,
Oh well, they constantly sell themselves short. Why aren't they calling their FAAA domestic and voicing their opinion!
Oh well, they constantly sell themselves short. Why aren't they calling their FAAA domestic and voicing their opinion!
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LHCC Promotions
Once the Company has determined its manpower level requirements,and the VR has been finalized(Who Knows when that will be?)there will be some movement amongst the ranks.
CSMs are being asked to offer up names of CSSs who they consider would be suitable for promotion.A short list of names will then be drawn up.
A similar approach is to be considered for FAs.
How do I know this?
I am a CSM and have been asked for some names.
How this will pan out with the interview procedure remains to be seen.
At least there is some hope of promotion for those who have been waiting for an indeterminable time.
Lets hope it is sooner rather than later.
CSMs are being asked to offer up names of CSSs who they consider would be suitable for promotion.A short list of names will then be drawn up.
A similar approach is to be considered for FAs.
How do I know this?
I am a CSM and have been asked for some names.
How this will pan out with the interview procedure remains to be seen.
At least there is some hope of promotion for those who have been waiting for an indeterminable time.
Lets hope it is sooner rather than later.
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My List
I have 6 CSS in mind.
I just hope that my input has a little impact.
If I make a mistake...I have to fly with the mistakes.
A very good CSS is worth his/her weight in gold
I just hope that my input has a little impact.
If I make a mistake...I have to fly with the mistakes.
A very good CSS is worth his/her weight in gold
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Quote- "A very good CSS is worth his/her weight in gold"
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Too true.
AFAIK they also have the most demanding and least recognised job on board by far.
Does anyone really believe the buffoons that pass for QF CC management will choose the next round of CSM's based on OPERATIONAL ABILITY over the hoards of brown nosing, sycophants who are in their faces day in and day out ?
I doubt it.
After all, the present lot ["management"] are the most clueless we have EVER had.
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Too true.
AFAIK they also have the most demanding and least recognised job on board by far.
Does anyone really believe the buffoons that pass for QF CC management will choose the next round of CSM's based on OPERATIONAL ABILITY over the hoards of brown nosing, sycophants who are in their faces day in and day out ?
I doubt it.
After all, the present lot ["management"] are the most clueless we have EVER had.
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CC Management.
......................please don't get me started on my favourite topic.
I've already been booted out by Tightslot and sinbinned by DUNNUNda for my past Visitor diatribes.
Think you guys have summed up my feelings nicely.
Quick pass me the .................cough medicine !!!!!!!!!!
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I've already been booted out by Tightslot and sinbinned by DUNNUNda for my past Visitor diatribes.
Think you guys have summed up my feelings nicely.
Quick pass me the .................cough medicine !!!!!!!!!!
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This just appeared in the latest CCN 31 July.
here is an excerpt..
General News
Let's shine on the world's stage - Qantas Airlines Strategy
Day 2006
"Believe in yourself, believe in management and believe in Qantas", was Executive General
Manager John Borghetti's message to over 700 of his staff at the annual Qantas Airlines Strategy
Day held at the Australian Technology Park on 5 July.
Believe in management, now that took a lot of guts to say that or the guy has absolutely no idea what's going on.
OMG what planet are they on,I have never known the staff in all areas of QANTAS that have such disdain and lack of faith in management.
here is an excerpt..
General News
Let's shine on the world's stage - Qantas Airlines Strategy
Day 2006
"Believe in yourself, believe in management and believe in Qantas", was Executive General
Manager John Borghetti's message to over 700 of his staff at the annual Qantas Airlines Strategy
Day held at the Australian Technology Park on 5 July.
Believe in management, now that took a lot of guts to say that or the guy has absolutely no idea what's going on.
OMG what planet are they on,I have never known the staff in all areas of QANTAS that have such disdain and lack of faith in management.
Il Duce
