QANTAS CABIN CREW DISCUSSIONS ( IV)
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I don't know where you get the figure of 20k from?Nor do I want to, try doing third world country trips and see what it adds up to? It doesnt matter how much you have left over its not worth anything back here!
I sure hope short haul have got strong stomachs to avoid Bombay belly and they enjoy site seeing.
At least when operations understood what a demanding trip it was to Bombay they included it with a London so you could return via BKK or Sin.
For all Carmens ability to rationalise it still can't factor in human fatigue and cast iron stomachs.
I sure hope short haul have got strong stomachs to avoid Bombay belly and they enjoy site seeing.
At least when operations understood what a demanding trip it was to Bombay they included it with a London so you could return via BKK or Sin.
For all Carmens ability to rationalise it still can't factor in human fatigue and cast iron stomachs.
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Dear Twiggs
If you look closely at any keyboard you will find that "M" and "N" are in juxtaposition and are quite frequently and accidentally interchanged in what is commonly called a "typo".
Thank you so much for bringing this error to my attention.
However the general thrust of my post has not,I feel, been denigrated by this faux pas.
Feel free, however, in your seeming prolific moments of sheer perpetual boredom to bring these aberrations to my attention.
Thank you so much for bringing this error to my attention.
However the general thrust of my post has not,I feel, been denigrated by this faux pas.
Feel free, however, in your seeming prolific moments of sheer perpetual boredom to bring these aberrations to my attention.
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F-U you get a TWO !!!!
In all my years of flying I've never seen the CSM/FSD group so "jacked off". The Visitors have been churning out their KPI reviews like the proverbial sausage factory.
They say they walk in.......cop criticism and ridicule then the statement......"if things don't improve .........you may be managed out !!!!!-oh and by the way you're worth a TWO for the year.
This is the THANKS they are getting for putting up with abuse from pax, IFE breakdowns, unrealistic duty free targets, appalling behaviour by some F/A's,crap from the drivers and lack of any support from their so called Manager.
So much for career progression.
Hang in there.
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They say they walk in.......cop criticism and ridicule then the statement......"if things don't improve .........you may be managed out !!!!!-oh and by the way you're worth a TWO for the year.
This is the THANKS they are getting for putting up with abuse from pax, IFE breakdowns, unrealistic duty free targets, appalling behaviour by some F/A's,crap from the drivers and lack of any support from their so called Manager.
So much for career progression.
Hang in there.
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I don't think so Twiggs,your original post mentioned nothing of the sort,it did point out that you say you were only taxed 5% on your meal allowances and that would only inflame outsiders view of our pay and condidtions and now you try to redeem yourself with this beauty...
Quote from Twiggs "Most of the meal allowances cabin crew receive are tax free."
And in defence all you can do is to attack someone over a typo error
With comments like these Darth is laughing all the way to the press.
You are either a company plant or something else but in any case you are intent on damaging the cabin crew position .
Quote from Twiggs "Most of the meal allowances cabin crew receive are tax free."
And in defence all you can do is to attack someone over a typo error
With comments like these Darth is laughing all the way to the press.
You are either a company plant or something else but in any case you are intent on damaging the cabin crew position .
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I don't think so Twiggs,your original post mentioned nothing of the sort,it did point out that you say you were only taxed 5% on your meal allowances and that would only inflame outsiders view of our pay and condidtions and now you try to redeem yourself with this beauty...
Quote from Twiggs "Most of the meal allowances cabin crew receive are tax free."
Quote from Twiggs "Most of the meal allowances cabin crew receive are tax free."
Secondly,that the part that you quoted was nothing new, I just deleted the next part which had the figures.
I do apologise to those who think it is damaging to do so.
As far as attacking Argus Moon by correcting his ignorance of the correct term (no I don't buy the typo excuse), I think that response was quite measured considering Argus Moon had just sent me an insulting personal message attacking my intelligence.
As far as damaging the cabin crew position, I feel I am defending it, by correcting statements about our conditions that are incorrect or exaggerated.
The sooner people like you realise how good we have it, the sooner we will be in a better position to retain jobs that have some resemblance of what they were in the past.
It has nothing to do with what anyone else thinks, the press, GD, the public.
No-one gives a toss about our position except us.
We have to be realistic.
With regard to allowances, I find it very frustrating when we have a formula for calculating allowances that is based on what time it is in the port we departed from.
I think it was back when EBA V was being negotiated, the company wanted to introduce "time of arrival into port" based calculations for allowances.
The union at the time decided to fight it because apparently the the company would save some money on allowances!
Never mind that when I arrive in London at 5am, the first allowance I receive in the northern winter is dinner! Then when I get back to Singapore I arrive at 6pm but I still get a lunch allowance from that day.
I think most people want to get an allowance that is reflective of the meal times they are experiencing at the local port, NOT what will end up giving them the most in the pocket at the end of the trip.
This mentality that we can't negotiate conditions that are of benefit to us and the company is totally warped and totally destuctive.
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Naive
Twiggs you are naive.
Everybody in todays society cares about everybodys business especially wages and remuneration(did I get the spelling right?).
If it is perceived you are receiving more than what is considered reasonable others will attempt to have your T and Cs reduced.Sad but true.
Broadcasting in a public forum your wages and associated perks is inviting an attack from both within and without.
Lets move on to another topic shall we?
How about we discuss the impending introduction of AWAs?
Everybody in todays society cares about everybodys business especially wages and remuneration(did I get the spelling right?).
If it is perceived you are receiving more than what is considered reasonable others will attempt to have your T and Cs reduced.Sad but true.
Broadcasting in a public forum your wages and associated perks is inviting an attack from both within and without.
Lets move on to another topic shall we?
How about we discuss the impending introduction of AWAs?
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CABIN CREW FORUM.......pleeeeeze
Spot on M to M.
its time to apply the BLOW TORCH back where it has most effect, :
1. The Visitors.
2. The FAAA "pie eaters".
3. John Howard and the pending "silver bullet"-AWA's.
Lets not get side tracked.
And lets get this back to a Cabin Crew Forum, NOT a place of wannabe's, frustrated techies and company stooges.
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its time to apply the BLOW TORCH back where it has most effect, :
1. The Visitors.
2. The FAAA "pie eaters".
3. John Howard and the pending "silver bullet"-AWA's.
Lets not get side tracked.
And lets get this back to a Cabin Crew Forum, NOT a place of wannabe's, frustrated techies and company stooges.
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Why be so precious?
So that everyone can see how well off you are, here are the current per diems for most cities at which longhaul cabin crew are accommodated.
BANGKOK BAHT THB2,680
BRISBANE DOLLAR AUD160.50
CAIRNS DOLLAR AUD127.00
FRANKFURT EURO EUR72.30
HONG KONG DOLLAR HKD838
HONOLULU DOLLAR USD91.25
JAKARTA RUPIAH IDR761,090
JOHANNESBURG RAND ZAR408.00
LONDON POUND GBP74.40
MANILA PESOS PHP3,158
MELBOURNE DOLLAR AUD155.50
MUMBAI RUPEE INR3,350
NARITA YEN JPY15,500
PERTH DOLLAR AUD140.00 Add 15% for Public Hols
SINGAPORE DOLLAR SGD180.20
SYDNEY DOLLAR AUD134.20 Add 15% for Public Hols
Most people, if they spent these sums of money on meals, would be the size of the proverbial house. I ask you: how may gluttons would eat their way thru SIN $180 a day unless they frequented Raffles?
In addition, people, crew receive further 'living' allowances:
ODTA $42.98/a day
ADTA $22.49/a day
SDTA (male) $44.64/week
SDTA (female) $43.13/week
Is it any wonder therefore that
(1) some of the cyberspace bullies would like this information suppressed, and
(2) Qantas is trying to reign in these extravagnaces as they are far beyond the scope of what is fair and reasonable.
Twiggs, don't let the bullies get to you. Their use of abusive personal e-mails to those who dare disagree with them is just as ign of their cowardice, insecurity and boorishness; most societies cast them away as soon as their abhorrent behaviour is known. Just because one has an alernative view, it doesn't mean that that person is, to quote Wed-whatever- he-calls-himself, "wannabe's, frustrated techies and company stooges."
BANGKOK BAHT THB2,680
BRISBANE DOLLAR AUD160.50
CAIRNS DOLLAR AUD127.00
FRANKFURT EURO EUR72.30
HONG KONG DOLLAR HKD838
HONOLULU DOLLAR USD91.25
JAKARTA RUPIAH IDR761,090
JOHANNESBURG RAND ZAR408.00
LONDON POUND GBP74.40
MANILA PESOS PHP3,158
MELBOURNE DOLLAR AUD155.50
MUMBAI RUPEE INR3,350
NARITA YEN JPY15,500
PERTH DOLLAR AUD140.00 Add 15% for Public Hols
SINGAPORE DOLLAR SGD180.20
SYDNEY DOLLAR AUD134.20 Add 15% for Public Hols
Most people, if they spent these sums of money on meals, would be the size of the proverbial house. I ask you: how may gluttons would eat their way thru SIN $180 a day unless they frequented Raffles?
In addition, people, crew receive further 'living' allowances:
ODTA $42.98/a day
ADTA $22.49/a day
SDTA (male) $44.64/week
SDTA (female) $43.13/week
Is it any wonder therefore that
(1) some of the cyberspace bullies would like this information suppressed, and
(2) Qantas is trying to reign in these extravagnaces as they are far beyond the scope of what is fair and reasonable.
Twiggs, don't let the bullies get to you. Their use of abusive personal e-mails to those who dare disagree with them is just as ign of their cowardice, insecurity and boorishness; most societies cast them away as soon as their abhorrent behaviour is known. Just because one has an alernative view, it doesn't mean that that person is, to quote Wed-whatever- he-calls-himself, "wannabe's, frustrated techies and company stooges."
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Revenge is sweet
Good one Blah Lerty!!!
Your last post was obviously put up to get a response.
You won't get one from me.
But, I went back to have a look at your last post...see below:
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BA LERT wrote:
"Mach 2 Male-
You need to do one of two things: put up or shut up. If you chose the latter option, you should also resign.
Also, mach2male, if you really believe that Qantas is as bad as you write, do everyone a favour and resign before it's too late lest you be marched off for some psychological assessment.
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Just so you know I AM taking your advice and have taken VR,
however,one other point seriously bothers me about your last post LERTY
-you sound like you're sitting up the pointy end of the aircraft, someone who sends back his "white with one"' ...cause its not strong enough.
For someone to be so vindictive and vitriolic in his manner towards cabin crew worries me from a CRM perspective...........look at yourself in the mirror BLERTY and then consider who should be marched off for a "psychological assessment".
Oh yeah.......FYI its:
WED WEBBING WOOP....................you know that red thing you pull when your inflation just isn't what it should be!!!!!!
Your last post was obviously put up to get a response.
You won't get one from me.
But, I went back to have a look at your last post...see below:
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BA LERT wrote:
"Mach 2 Male-
You need to do one of two things: put up or shut up. If you chose the latter option, you should also resign.
Also, mach2male, if you really believe that Qantas is as bad as you write, do everyone a favour and resign before it's too late lest you be marched off for some psychological assessment.
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Just so you know I AM taking your advice and have taken VR,
however,one other point seriously bothers me about your last post LERTY
-you sound like you're sitting up the pointy end of the aircraft, someone who sends back his "white with one"' ...cause its not strong enough.
For someone to be so vindictive and vitriolic in his manner towards cabin crew worries me from a CRM perspective...........look at yourself in the mirror BLERTY and then consider who should be marched off for a "psychological assessment".
Oh yeah.......FYI its:
WED WEBBING WOOP....................you know that red thing you pull when your inflation just isn't what it should be!!!!!!
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Discriminatory
Woomera,
When you edit my posts(which used no expletives)and leave Lerts posts stand....your impartiality is called into question
You would do well to to protect the integrity of PPRune and ascertain whether or not Lert has breached copyright by posting those numbers.
You should also remind TWIGGS that this is an aviation forum and not a spelling bee.
When you edit my posts(which used no expletives)and leave Lerts posts stand....your impartiality is called into question
You would do well to to protect the integrity of PPRune and ascertain whether or not Lert has breached copyright by posting those numbers.
You should also remind TWIGGS that this is an aviation forum and not a spelling bee.
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For surfside6's edification, there is nothing copyright about these allowances as their detail is readily available on the internet if you know where to look. 
To highlight the nonsense that passes as a 'negotiation', if per diems are deemed to have increased, they are increased. But if they are adjudged to have diminished, are the reduced amounts paid? No bloody way. The existing allowance is maintained. Can anyone explain how this is fair and reasonable. Take the gains but don't take the losses. What a racket???
Someone on PPRUNE recently posted the allowances are paid to Emirates crew when they are on the track. A comparison with EK's and those paid by Qantas is illuminating to say the least: it highlights just what a lurk that Qantas crew are on.
Mach2male wrote
It's no wonder why he wrote this drivel. The only reason to say nothing about the so-called perqs is to avoid embarrassment and scrutiny. Sorry lads but the game is up. Most of the punters out there would just laugh in your faces were you to belly-ache about your terms and conditions. Just tell Joe and Mary in 55JK about how tough life is as a longhaul FA. Tell them about your allowances, superannuation, LSL, and the like. Most workers would literally kill to enjoy conditions that you enjoy. But I guess you can see the gravy train coming to a terminal stop and that's exactly why you are screaming and yelling. Tell me: does the truth hurt? On second thougts, don't bother and spare us the abuse.
Lastly, Twiggs is right on the money. When everything falls apart, look back on what he had to say and reflect on his sagacity.
To highlight the nonsense that passes as a 'negotiation', if per diems are deemed to have increased, they are increased. But if they are adjudged to have diminished, are the reduced amounts paid? No bloody way. The existing allowance is maintained. Can anyone explain how this is fair and reasonable. Take the gains but don't take the losses. What a racket???
Someone on PPRUNE recently posted the allowances are paid to Emirates crew when they are on the track. A comparison with EK's and those paid by Qantas is illuminating to say the least: it highlights just what a lurk that Qantas crew are on.
Mach2male wrote
...If it is perceived you are receiving more than what is considered reasonable others will attempt to have your T and Cs reduced.Sad but true.
Broadcasting in a public forum your wages and associated perks is inviting an attack from both within and without.
Lets move on to another topic shall we?
Broadcasting in a public forum your wages and associated perks is inviting an attack from both within and without.
Lets move on to another topic shall we?
Lastly, Twiggs is right on the money. When everything falls apart, look back on what he had to say and reflect on his sagacity.
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Woomera
You deny me a right of reply while you allow this insufferable self righteous miscreant to criticize.
Who says that he/she has the God given right to determine what others should receive as remuneration
What business is it of anyones but the receiver of such reward for work done?
The situation exists by accident.
Prior to 1984 the $A was managed and allowances were worth nothing.Indeed most of us utilized a hotel cheque encashment facility to make ends meet while we were away on trip.This meant we had spent most of our wages before we arrived home.Trips were up to 21 days in lenght.Our wages were paltry.Most of us had second jobs to survive.In 1984 the $A was floated and by accident our allowances became worth something.In 1988 we were forced to accept a bid system which reduced our standown time by 25%.We were no longer paid a salary but rather paid by the hour.Over time we have found ourselves in a well paid job.
Now you have the likes of BA Lert critical of what we earn.
Why? It is no concern of his whatsoever.It is between us and our employer.
By publishing a scale of allowances he seeks to embarrass denigrate and humiliate a group of hardworking people.For what banal reason I know not.
He then wonders why he is attacked.
BA Lert is indicative of the covetous selfish self absorbed miserable losers that now run commentary on everything and everone in our society.
Moderators in this forum, by deleting my response in reply,are only encouraging such reprehensible behaviour.
Why do we CC have to justify ourselves to such people.
I have no truck with what anybody earns.I am happy for them.
Why is there this need to mock and denigrate what others earn?
It is an anathema to me!!!
I detest and despise dysfunctional individuals like BA lert who are so critical of others good fortune!!!
What he is effect saying is that "the proletariat need to be kept in their place"
Wake up Sunshine.... this is 2006 not 1886!!!!
The Earl Of Shaftesbury changed a a few things
You deny me a right of reply while you allow this insufferable self righteous miscreant to criticize.
Who says that he/she has the God given right to determine what others should receive as remuneration
What business is it of anyones but the receiver of such reward for work done?
The situation exists by accident.
Prior to 1984 the $A was managed and allowances were worth nothing.Indeed most of us utilized a hotel cheque encashment facility to make ends meet while we were away on trip.This meant we had spent most of our wages before we arrived home.Trips were up to 21 days in lenght.Our wages were paltry.Most of us had second jobs to survive.In 1984 the $A was floated and by accident our allowances became worth something.In 1988 we were forced to accept a bid system which reduced our standown time by 25%.We were no longer paid a salary but rather paid by the hour.Over time we have found ourselves in a well paid job.
Now you have the likes of BA Lert critical of what we earn.
Why? It is no concern of his whatsoever.It is between us and our employer.
By publishing a scale of allowances he seeks to embarrass denigrate and humiliate a group of hardworking people.For what banal reason I know not.
He then wonders why he is attacked.
BA Lert is indicative of the covetous selfish self absorbed miserable losers that now run commentary on everything and everone in our society.
Moderators in this forum, by deleting my response in reply,are only encouraging such reprehensible behaviour.
Why do we CC have to justify ourselves to such people.
I have no truck with what anybody earns.I am happy for them.
Why is there this need to mock and denigrate what others earn?
It is an anathema to me!!!
I detest and despise dysfunctional individuals like BA lert who are so critical of others good fortune!!!
What he is effect saying is that "the proletariat need to be kept in their place"
Wake up Sunshine.... this is 2006 not 1886!!!!
The Earl Of Shaftesbury changed a a few things
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Reality rather than jealousy
Twiggs,I assume you are happy with the response to your post about allowances because that is what you get when you talk about money.
Twiggs was not happy about my response to hers but I was being diplomatic and trying not to inflame the jealousy of people like BA any further but she was not satisfied with that and posts that not only was she saying that her taxable amount was not 5% but it was only applicable to 5 % so was in fact much lower in fact she tels all and sundry that most allowances are tax free.Darths propaganda team could not have thought up a better post .I really don't think that Twiggs is a crew member because no crew member would say something like that so obviously we know now that she is in fact a company plant but at the very least it is good to know where we stand.
BA....you are at the very least constant.Your dislike and jealousy of both tech crew and cabin crew is limitless and is very evident in your post.
Quote..."Twiggs, don't let the bullies get to you. Their use of abusive personal e-mails to those who dare disagree with them is just as ign of their cowardice, insecurity and boorishness; most societies cast them away as soon as their abhorrent behaviour is known. Just because one has an alernative view, it doesn't mean that that person is, to quote Wed-whatever- he-calls-himself, "wannabe's, frustrated techies and company stooges."
Well,I am glad that you believe that other people have differing views and the right to air them so I am about to give you mine.
I have not checked all the allowances that BA has divulged but they seem correct but that is as far as the truth in his post goes.YES BA that is what crew get but those allowances are based on the restaurant in the hotels we stay at and if you eat in those hotels then that is EXACTLY what you PAY.
BA,do you think for a moment that Darth would give us anymore money than he has to? Getting an increase out of Darth is like getting blood out of a stone and therefore any allowances we get are no more than what you need to buy meals at the hotels we stay at.
We are not like BA and we cannot bring a little lunch box that mummy has packed for us with vegemite sandwiches wrapped in gladwrap with a fruitjuice from a supermarket.
I also like the part of one of BA's posts where he asked if allowances can be increased then why cannot they be decreased.Obviously BA gets his mummy to do the shopping and pay all his bills because hotels are not like supermarkets and do not have sales on menu prices .Has anyone here heard of hotels lowering their prices of items on the menu? In nearly 30 years I have never seen a hotel drop their restaurant prices so why would allowances decrease.
We ,like any other person sent away from home by their company are paid an allowance because of the nature of travel but then BA would not understand that because he probably gets public transport and leaves his car at home but we cannot not.All public servants get the same if not more allowances as we do and others required to travel overseas do as well but then BA's jealousy blinds him to that little fact.
BA also has not the integrity or honesty to announce were he works but know we know that it is somewhere that he has access to crew information.He also is not honest enough to tell us what his pay is and if he thinks he is not paid too much but then I suppose he believes that he is exceedingly good value for money to Qantas.Your jealousy must be inflamed everytime you see crew sent overseas while you sit in your little cubicle day after day after day.
The other fact is that both Twiggs and BA's interest do not coincide with those of cabin crew generally but that is stating the obvious.
It is also interesting that the usual faaa propaganda and fast response team that are usually very quick to defend the faaa from criticism are not defending crews pay and conditions from the poisonous posts of BA and TWIGGS
Twiggs was not happy about my response to hers but I was being diplomatic and trying not to inflame the jealousy of people like BA any further but she was not satisfied with that and posts that not only was she saying that her taxable amount was not 5% but it was only applicable to 5 % so was in fact much lower in fact she tels all and sundry that most allowances are tax free.Darths propaganda team could not have thought up a better post .I really don't think that Twiggs is a crew member because no crew member would say something like that so obviously we know now that she is in fact a company plant but at the very least it is good to know where we stand.
BA....you are at the very least constant.Your dislike and jealousy of both tech crew and cabin crew is limitless and is very evident in your post.
Quote..."Twiggs, don't let the bullies get to you. Their use of abusive personal e-mails to those who dare disagree with them is just as ign of their cowardice, insecurity and boorishness; most societies cast them away as soon as their abhorrent behaviour is known. Just because one has an alernative view, it doesn't mean that that person is, to quote Wed-whatever- he-calls-himself, "wannabe's, frustrated techies and company stooges."
Well,I am glad that you believe that other people have differing views and the right to air them so I am about to give you mine.
I have not checked all the allowances that BA has divulged but they seem correct but that is as far as the truth in his post goes.YES BA that is what crew get but those allowances are based on the restaurant in the hotels we stay at and if you eat in those hotels then that is EXACTLY what you PAY.
BA,do you think for a moment that Darth would give us anymore money than he has to? Getting an increase out of Darth is like getting blood out of a stone and therefore any allowances we get are no more than what you need to buy meals at the hotels we stay at.
We are not like BA and we cannot bring a little lunch box that mummy has packed for us with vegemite sandwiches wrapped in gladwrap with a fruitjuice from a supermarket.
I also like the part of one of BA's posts where he asked if allowances can be increased then why cannot they be decreased.Obviously BA gets his mummy to do the shopping and pay all his bills because hotels are not like supermarkets and do not have sales on menu prices .Has anyone here heard of hotels lowering their prices of items on the menu? In nearly 30 years I have never seen a hotel drop their restaurant prices so why would allowances decrease.
We ,like any other person sent away from home by their company are paid an allowance because of the nature of travel but then BA would not understand that because he probably gets public transport and leaves his car at home but we cannot not.All public servants get the same if not more allowances as we do and others required to travel overseas do as well but then BA's jealousy blinds him to that little fact.
BA also has not the integrity or honesty to announce were he works but know we know that it is somewhere that he has access to crew information.He also is not honest enough to tell us what his pay is and if he thinks he is not paid too much but then I suppose he believes that he is exceedingly good value for money to Qantas.Your jealousy must be inflamed everytime you see crew sent overseas while you sit in your little cubicle day after day after day.
The other fact is that both Twiggs and BA's interest do not coincide with those of cabin crew generally but that is stating the obvious.
It is also interesting that the usual faaa propaganda and fast response team that are usually very quick to defend the faaa from criticism are not defending crews pay and conditions from the poisonous posts of BA and TWIGGS
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Woomera
You deny me a right of reply while you allow this insufferable self righteous miscreant to criticize.
Who says that he/she has the God given right to determine what others should receive as remuneration
What business is it of anyones but the receiver of such reward for work done?
The situation exists by accident.
Prior to 1984 the $A was managed and allowances were worth nothing.Indeed most of us utilized a hotel cheque encashment facility to make ends meet while we were away on trip.This meant we had spent most of our wages before we arrived home.Trips were up to 21 days in lenght.Our wages were paltry.Most of us had second jobs to survive.In 1984 the $A was floated and by accident our allowances became worth something.In 1988 we were forced to accept a bid system which reduced our standown time by 25%.We were no longer paid a salary but rather paid by the hour.Over time we have found ourselves in a well paid job.
Now you have the likes of BA Lert critical of what we earn.
Why? It is no concern of his whatsoever.It is between us and our employer.
By publishing a scale of allowances he seeks to embarrass denigrate and humiliate a group of hardworking people.For what banal reason I know not.
He then wonders why he is attacked.
BA Lert is indicative of the covetous selfish self absorbed miserable losers that now run commentary on everything and everone in our society.
Moderators in this forum, by deleting my response in reply,are only encouraging such reprehensible behaviour.
Why do we CC have to justify ourselves to such people.
I have no truck with what anybody earns.I am happy for them.
Why is there this need to mock and denigrate what others earn?
It is an anathema to me!!!
I detest and despise dysfunctional individuals like BA lert who are so critical of others good fortune!!!
What he is effect saying is that "the proletariat need to be kept in their place"
Wake up Sunshine.... this is 2006 not 1886!!!!
The Earl Of Shaftesbury changed a a few things
You deny me a right of reply while you allow this insufferable self righteous miscreant to criticize.
Who says that he/she has the God given right to determine what others should receive as remuneration
What business is it of anyones but the receiver of such reward for work done?
The situation exists by accident.
Prior to 1984 the $A was managed and allowances were worth nothing.Indeed most of us utilized a hotel cheque encashment facility to make ends meet while we were away on trip.This meant we had spent most of our wages before we arrived home.Trips were up to 21 days in lenght.Our wages were paltry.Most of us had second jobs to survive.In 1984 the $A was floated and by accident our allowances became worth something.In 1988 we were forced to accept a bid system which reduced our standown time by 25%.We were no longer paid a salary but rather paid by the hour.Over time we have found ourselves in a well paid job.
Now you have the likes of BA Lert critical of what we earn.
Why? It is no concern of his whatsoever.It is between us and our employer.
By publishing a scale of allowances he seeks to embarrass denigrate and humiliate a group of hardworking people.For what banal reason I know not.
He then wonders why he is attacked.
BA Lert is indicative of the covetous selfish self absorbed miserable losers that now run commentary on everything and everone in our society.
Moderators in this forum, by deleting my response in reply,are only encouraging such reprehensible behaviour.
Why do we CC have to justify ourselves to such people.
I have no truck with what anybody earns.I am happy for them.
Why is there this need to mock and denigrate what others earn?
It is an anathema to me!!!
I detest and despise dysfunctional individuals like BA lert who are so critical of others good fortune!!!
What he is effect saying is that "the proletariat need to be kept in their place"
Wake up Sunshine.... this is 2006 not 1886!!!!
The Earl Of Shaftesbury changed a a few things
I cannot offer a reason Sunny Woomera edited your post. It's a little early for me to contact him and get him out of bed. He needs his beauty sleep, you know.
Nonetheless, if it is of our opinion that you have breached the 10 Thingies, you will be edited and/or banned. Clearly, this is the case (based on your response above).You have not been denied the right of reply, as your quoted post above indicates
However, if a "right of reply" is going to contain personal outbursts and slinging mud, then see my first paragraph. It is patently obvious that the Cabin Crew who post on this forum hold diametrically opposite opinions to those which BAlert offers. You (collectively) are quick to condemn anyone who holds a different opinion as being a "management stooge". What if he/she is purely playing devil's advocate? This goes on all the time in other threads, and is certainly not limited to Cabin Crew.
As others have alluded to: The details of terms and conditions are publicly available. The argument that they should not be discussed is weak. Healthy debate is a good thing. Personal broadsides used in a weak attempt to justify one side of the argument cheapens your argument, however.
Play nice, now
Woomera (Eastern States)
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A Point Missed
ALL Qantas Employees when on overseas duty are in receipt of the aforementioned allowances.
This is probably one reason why they still exist.
They are not exclusive to Cabin Crew or Tech Crew.
This is probably one reason why they still exist.
They are not exclusive to Cabin Crew or Tech Crew.
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Most Q.F jobs are quite well paid compared to other industries . Many no more or no less. I have a number of friends , relatives and ex colleagues in Q.F and salary is generally not an issue for them. What I have noticed however is an almost universal disgust at the change in culture at Q.F led by Dicko himself.Morale must be through the floor. This company once engendered a fierce loyalty from it's staff.
Unfortunately, salaries and allowances which are seen as generous will just be used to stoke the engine room of JetstarInt. My buddy in Management there is the only one who is optimistic about his immediate future.
Sad indeed.
Unfortunately, salaries and allowances which are seen as generous will just be used to stoke the engine room of JetstarInt. My buddy in Management there is the only one who is optimistic about his immediate future.
Sad indeed.
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BA LERTY,
its not an extravagance when you look at the bigger picture.
As I said in my earlier post keep in mind we work 12 hours BEFORE we get any overtime. Most days in Long Haul are of min 16 hours duration plus.
I saw 6 CSMs /CSSs around the pool in LAX. They had all applied for the package. Between them they were worth $three million dollars. $500 000 each. Each had worked 30 years.
They had worked their bums off collectively one hundred and eighty years to get paid collectively 3 mill when they retire.To make this one of the best airlines in the world.
Our boss paid himself 6 million when we are in "tough " times for one years work.
Now whos extravagant.
BA Lerty get a grip on reality
its not an extravagance when you look at the bigger picture.
As I said in my earlier post keep in mind we work 12 hours BEFORE we get any overtime. Most days in Long Haul are of min 16 hours duration plus.
I saw 6 CSMs /CSSs around the pool in LAX. They had all applied for the package. Between them they were worth $three million dollars. $500 000 each. Each had worked 30 years.
They had worked their bums off collectively one hundred and eighty years to get paid collectively 3 mill when they retire.To make this one of the best airlines in the world.
Our boss paid himself 6 million when we are in "tough " times for one years work.
Now whos extravagant.
BA Lerty get a grip on reality
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BA LERTY
one last thought,
you have the audacity to suggest we want what we get in allowances suppressed. What a joke. What about the big issues which we do suppress because we dont want our Company embarrasssed and more importantly because we are embarrassed.Try the conditions of employment of our Kiwis, Thais and now any Aussies who wish to fly in L Haul who HAVE to live in NewZealand.
In fairness and respect to our Kiwi, Thai and Aussie colleagues I would ask that all who contribute on here dont lower themselves to BA Lertys level and state on here what their horrendous conditions are.
BA Lerty be careful what you write on here . Sometimes the response might cause you far more embarrasment and disgrace.
Be ashamed , be very ashamed!
one last thought,
you have the audacity to suggest we want what we get in allowances suppressed. What a joke. What about the big issues which we do suppress because we dont want our Company embarrasssed and more importantly because we are embarrassed.Try the conditions of employment of our Kiwis, Thais and now any Aussies who wish to fly in L Haul who HAVE to live in NewZealand.
In fairness and respect to our Kiwi, Thai and Aussie colleagues I would ask that all who contribute on here dont lower themselves to BA Lertys level and state on here what their horrendous conditions are.
BA Lerty be careful what you write on here . Sometimes the response might cause you far more embarrasment and disgrace.
Be ashamed , be very ashamed!
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Hawkeye is several laps behind as I certainly did not suggest that crew allowances not be published: one of his colleagues did.
As for his colleagues that walk out the door with $500,000 each, perhaps he should look at the average lump sum that is invested by the typical retiree to fund their life. I would suggest with respect that his colleagues are streets ahead of the typical Joe, nothwithstanding his claim that they have worked their buts off for 30 years. Most Australians do, and do it for much less.
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As for his colleagues that walk out the door with $500,000 each, perhaps he should look at the average lump sum that is invested by the typical retiree to fund their life. I would suggest with respect that his colleagues are streets ahead of the typical Joe, nothwithstanding his claim that they have worked their buts off for 30 years. Most Australians do, and do it for much less.
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