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Old 16th Aug 2006, 05:55
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you have to move to another thread. this one is way below your intellect. btw, people dont go to the faaa meetings because they have lost trust in their representatives.you only have to ask crew upline
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Hawkeye 4 President

Hawkeye is 1000% correct
QCC2 you should move to another forum as this is way above YOUR intellect
Wed Webbing Woop.QCC2 and Lowerlobe...start your own thread ..misery loves its own company.
Most of the crew I fly with understand whats going on and appreciate the efforts of the FAAA.
QCC2 you are full of it
You three I hope will not vote for Little Lying Johnny this time.
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Old 16th Aug 2006, 06:13
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I think it's time that Lowerlobe, QCC2, Lurker@L5, Cartexchange and Wed Webbing Woop realise that people with similar views to them are a minority in QF cabin crew.
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instant response from the propoganda department. since 20 or so people turn up for every faaa meetings, what kind of message does that send??????????
could anyone confirm or deny that one senior official is taking the package?
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Old 16th Aug 2006, 07:40
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QCC2,
Not only was it the last meeting that only 20 people turned up it has been that way for the last lot of officials as well.
Crew only turn up if there is an industrial situation occuring. Both current FAAA and last FAAA regime have had big turn outs on these occassions and both have had the 20 odd turn up when it is business as usual. This is indicative not of your representatives QCC2 but indicative of us, the members!
Here goes the conspiracy theorists again QCC2, what the ? Does it matter if an official puts his/her hand up for the package? What is the big interest all of a sudden in one official applying for the package? If ALL of them or the majority of them had applied maybe there is some reason to ask the question.
Let me think have any previous officials taken a past package? hmmmmmmmm??
Once again lets try and make some implication that resonates guilt or lack of trust. As I said in my earlier thread pathetic.
By the way is webbing loop applying or doesn't everyone have an equal right to apply?
It's crew like you that unfortunately make me want to apply, unfortunately Im still too young
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Old 16th Aug 2006, 10:37
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Talking Punted??

I'm not even going to bother responding to the previous posts.
Now down to business.......................RUMOUR
In case you clowns haven't read the top of the page ....this is a Rumour network !!!
Latest rumour doing the rounds on QCC/1 is that the CCTM's are about to be punted under the guise of Restructure #2343. It will happen in about 2 weeks. The CCM's will then be the only one's left with Teams of F/A's + CSM's / CSS's-groups of 400+.
Oh well, the Vistors did have a longer GO then I thought and hip hip horaaay for sticking to their knitting!!!!
Now , what next ???????
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Old 16th Aug 2006, 12:46
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Q&A..Workplace Agreements

Legally I can`t be forced to sign an AWA.
So what happens if I don`t...dismissal,demotion?
Nobody or website seems to have an answer?
Anybody help?
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Old 16th Aug 2006, 12:55
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Hopefully the fascist bully boys who want us all working for a bowl of rice will be thrown out in 18 months time and we wont have to worry.......
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Old 17th Aug 2006, 08:22
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The Age August 15, 2006.

Jetstar pay plan August 15, 2006


AdvertisementNEW Jetstar employees working international routes will be offered less pay for longer hours than their Qantas international counterparts.

Commission from the sale of pillows and blankets will be built into new, five-year Australian Workplace Agreements that start at $41,000, including superannuation.

Michael Mijatov, of the Flight Attendants Association of Australia, said staff had been treated as "cannon fodder", but Jetstar chief executive Alan Joyce disagreed. "In the real world $41,000-$46,000 for a 38-hour week, most people would regard as a phenomenal salary, particularly with the conditions we're talking about," he said.

DEWI COOKE
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Old 17th Aug 2006, 08:26
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Jetstar

Jetstar to break union hold

By Steve Creedy and Lisa Macnamara

FLIGHT attendants on Qantas international budget carrier Jetstar will be required to sign Australian Workplace Agreements under which commissions from the sale of food and pillows will count towards their pay.

In a blow to the union movement's hold on the airline, Qantas will today announce it is introducing the AWAs as part of its strategy to cut costs and promote Jetstar as a major brand within the Qantas Group. The Flight Attendants Association of Australia fears the new employees will be forced to work longer for thousands of dollars less than their Qantas colleagues.

The five-year contracts will see part of the cabin crew's pay treated as a "productivity bonus''. This will include extra hours worked and commissions from selling on-board food and entertainment. "This is a really provocative move,'' said FAAA international division secretary Michael Mijatov. Union fears for one of their traditional stongholds were heightened after Qantas chief Geoff Dixon told the Nine Network he planned to introduce individual contracts to other parts of Qantas. Mr Dixon emphasised the need for flexibility in the way the airline employed workers.

"We've been virtually a union-held company for many, many years,'' he said. "We have 16 unions, we have 45 enterprise bargaining agreements within the company and 20 of them, or 15 of them, are live at the moment. In other words we are negotiating them and ... we will be announcing very shortly that we are going to put AWAs into certain areas of the Qantas Group.''

Unions vowed yesterday to fight the changes, accusing Qantas executives of receiving "obscene'' salaries while trying to drive down the pay and conditions of airline workers. ACTU president Sharan Burrow said it was "incredible that Qantas -- with the profits it's demonstrated, with the obscenity of the salary levels of management -- can turn around to their own workers and say, `We're going to force you onto AWAs'.

Australian Services Union assistant national secretary Linda White said Mr Dixon had been a posterboy for the Howard Government's industrial laws, and it was no surprise he wanted to introduce individual contracts.

She predicted his comments would make the unions work more closely together. "I guess what he needs to understand is there is significant resistance to AWAs out there in the workforce,'' she said. ACTU secretary Greg Combet said he would seek details about the proposed AWAs from Mr Dixon today. "We've worked well with Qantas over a long period of time to try to make sure the company improves its competitiveness,'' he said.

"It's been a very constructive relationship, so naturally any suggestions by Mr Dixon that the company might change its strategy away from collective bargaining and towards individual contracts is a concern to us.''


By Steve Creedy and Lisa Macnamara, The Australian, August 14, 2006.
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Old 17th Aug 2006, 09:25
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From Alan Joyce:
"In the real world $41,000-$46,000 for a 38-hour week, most people would regard as a phenomenal salary.
From The Australian:
New figures show the average weekly wage is now $1,043.10, or a little over $54,200
What planet do these guys live on? This arrogance borders on the unbelievable.
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Old 17th Aug 2006, 09:26
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Again ...The Question

What happens if I dont want to sign an AWA?
Help me with my options please.
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Old 17th Aug 2006, 12:53
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Cool Answer to your question

You take the Far.................Q !!!!!!!
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surfside, if i may;

1. You remain on the existing terms and conditions of your current EBA, provided it was signed up to prior to March 28 2006, without any hope of an improvement in salary or conditions, until such time as you are unfairly dismissed for "operational" reasons (read made redundant), without recourse.

2. You enter into a new EBA, which, at its nominal expiration date, is terminated with 90 days notice from your employer, after which you potentially enjoy a salary of $484 per week, 10 days per annum sick leave, 12 months maternity leave, 4 weeks annual leave and 38 hours per week guaranteed work averaged over 1 year.

3. If you're not happy with the above (option 2), you reluctantly agree to an AWA reflecting whatever terms and conditions your employer deems "competitive".

4. You resign.

Nothing to fear though, be soothed by the fundamental message from the federal government's propaganda campaign from earlier this year, funded by 400 million dollars of your and all other tax payers' hard earned, "you can't be forced onto an AWA".

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Thanks JB

Sounds like I am pretty much stuffed.
I can only hope that that lying little swine Howard gets voted out at the next election.
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Old 17th Aug 2006, 22:39
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The Australian 18 August 2006

Qantas gets tough on unions
Staff have been asked to reassess their role, aviation writer Steve Creedy reports
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August 18, 2006
QANTAS has signalled it is prepared to play hardball with unions to get the productivity cuts it wants.
The airline has already sidestepped its flight attendants union to sign up Jetstar International cabin crew on Australian Workplace Agreements.
Qantas pilots in a new freight venture have been put on AWAs, and the airline is calling for a freeze on domestic pilots' base pay while indicating it wants its international pilots to work more hours.
Chief executive Geoff Dixon yesterday warned that Qantas would not be satisfied with incremental change, but needed to "make fundamental change on a much greater scale than in the past". He said: "While we will continue with existing efficiency programs, unfortunately, much of our savings over the next two years must come from labour costs, which totalled $3.34 billion in 2005-06.
"This will involve, as already outlined, job losses and significant changes to achieve greater flexibility and productivity."
In a letter sent to staff, Mr Dixon emphasised that each segment of Qantas would have to become a profit centre, stand on its own record, recover its own cost of capital and compete within the group for investment.
He said no one part of the business had a right to growth and investment, and the next phase of segmentation would change what it meant to be a Qantas employee - meaning that careers, pay and conditions would depend on the performance of the segment.
"Our freight business needs to be more aligned to the freight industry, not the airline industry," Mr Dixon said. "Similarly for catering and engineering."
Qantas executives also fired a shot across the unions' bow, warning that those who did not accept change could find themselves sidelined.
While Mr Dixon said there was no union blacklist, he noted that some unions were "easier and more pleasing to deal with". He was particularly critical of the Flight Attendants Association of Australia's international division.
"They are the same group who threatened Qantas quite aggressively last year when we were doing an AWA, and we just don't have to deal with people like that," he said. "We do have to deal with them in Qantas, but we certainly don't have to inflict them on Alan (Joyce, Jetstar CEO)."
Mr Dixon denied AWAs would become the airline's major industrial tool, saying the agreements were just one of a range of instruments available.
He believed Qantas would "without a doubt, in the foreseeable future" mainly use enterprise agreements, and it would be wrong to suggest it would not continue to deal constructively with unions.
He said the company was due to meet ACTU secretary Greg Combet next week to discuss where Qantas was headed.
But he would not rule out the use of AWAs in any area of the company.
He also would not comment when asked whether new aircraft such as the A380 would be operated by crews on AWAs.
"We're not ideological on this, despite what some people think," Mr Dixon said.
"But we certainly will use what instruments are best suited to the various businesses we have. They won't be ruled out anywhere but they're not necessarily ruled in anywhere either."
The Qantas chief said the decision to use AWAs at Jetstar International was a case of cost-avoidance rather than cost-savings.
Qantas was already losing market share because of an uncompetitive cost structure, and the alternative to setting up Jetstar with the lowest possible costs would be to cede opportunities to competitors.
"Those cost structures are not Asian cost structures. They are still very, very good jobs within the Australian context," he said.
Mr Dixon was unable to say how many of Jetstar International's flight attendants would ultimately be based in Bangkok but said Qantas did not have an aggressive strategy of moving jobs offshore.
"That's not our strategy but we're saying, and we've got to say quite openly without causing undue concern to people, that we must look at the all the best and most viable avenues for us," he said.
"But our preference always -- always -- is to have the jobs in Australia if that's possible."
But FAAA international division secretary Michael Mijatov accused Mr Dixon of trampling over his workers to get cheap labour.
He predicted Jetstar would base a sizeable proportion of its cabin crew in Bangkok, where flight attendants working for Qantas earned just $1000 a month.
He said Mr Dixon was creating 200 inferior jobs at Jetstar, and 400 quality flight attendant jobs were being destroyed at Qantas.
Mr Mijatov said Qantas was one of the world's most profitable airlines due to the hard efforts and concessions from staff over the past decade, while executives ran rampant with obscene bonuses.
"Not content with that, now they effectively want to drive people down to McDonald's-type conditions here," he said.
"They are such big heroes now they've got the Howard Government's industrial laws and everything's weighted towards them.
"They are trampling over their workforce with no regards to how people feel, their job security or their living standards."
Other unions also remained unconvinced. Australian Services Union assistant national secretary Linda White accused Qantas of whacking employees to divert attention from management's failings.
"It's back to the days of Henry Ford (who hired thugs to club dissident workers) but at the moment the club is Work Choices," she said.
"The employees are 100 per cent behind the airline but are very concerned at the path management is now taking them down.
"We think also that the travelling public don't like this either."
Australian and International Pilots Association general manager Peter Somerville said Qantas was announcing a significant $480 million profit and giving its two most senior executives $12 million payouts in circumstances where short-haul pilots were being told to take a three-year pay freeze.
He said pilots were long-term employees who wanted the company to make money and share in its success.
"We're concerned about the double standards between what Qantas says and what it does," Mr Somerville said. "And we're concerned about the effect that Qantas management is having on the reputation of the company."
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Old 18th Aug 2006, 00:57
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"We do have to deal with them in Qantas, but we certainly don't have to inflict them on Alan (Joyce, Jetstar CEO)."
Must be nice for the F/As to know that they're being "inflicted" on QANTAS.
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Old 18th Aug 2006, 01:03
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Arrival

The Qantas/Jetstar bus service coming soon to an airport near you
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Old 18th Aug 2006, 01:08
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Triumvirate

Think HIH,Think Enron.....Think Qantas
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Question ........pllleeeeeeeeezzzzee explain ?

Darth and the " assorted trough feeders " must be feeling priddy smitten this afternoon.
The press, markets and financial institutions have swallowed the "spin".... hook line & sinker.
ITS THE COST OF FUEL, ITS THOSE BLOODY UNIONS, ITS THOSE BLOODY FOREIGN CARRIERS......blah , blah, blah.
When for Christ- sake is the media in this country going to wake up to the lies and deceit dished out by the BIG corporates. We're not just talking Qantas here. The behaviour of the Banks, Fuel companies and assorted retail heavies is appalling. Greed is Good, roll on the Exec Bonuses.
Can someone please expalin to me what Dixon means by segmentation leading to "profit -centres". Sure, I get Freight, Catering.
But how the friggin hell can Cabin Crew be a profit centre??????
What cash can they generate other than by bending over and taking massive pay & condition cuts.
I don't wat to gloat on here by saying-"I'm alright jack 'cause I'm taking the package"! BUT to see what is happening to friends/colleagues of mine in this industry sickens me.
Watching Dixon on tele last night , just made me realise that this turkey has just one agenda:
Drive the pay & conditions of all Qantas staff downwards so that it matches or gets below our lowest competitor......eg. SQ, EK or UA.
The only way out of this quagmire is to: ( quote Greg Combet)... " confront this scourge( work non-choices) together ."
Roll on 2007.
John Howard and your bunch of bowl- lickers.......your days are numbered.!!!!
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