BA Cabin Crew...bring on the laughing stock!
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Have to agree with Nigel here.....BASSA...(the union bigwigs) a bunch of Stalinist, card carrying, 2 jobs when one will do...muppets
Just out of interest, how come loads of union officials seem to be Scottish, and born in Glasgow?
Just out of interest, how come loads of union officials seem to be Scottish, and born in Glasgow?
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Your just confirmimg what I said, theres people like you and re heat get on these forums and complain about what people earn WHY!!!
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i have to agree, VA are not paid the market rate, they are vastly underpaid. I do not know of any airlines long haul crew that take home so little.
Oh, I am BA long haul crew at LHR.
My basic salary per month is GBP872.00. (Gross, before any deductions)
Minus the tax, NI, pension etc, then tell me how you can't understand why we are concerned about our allowences or picking up a few extra quid from a box payment or CAT!!!!!!
PS. I don't like BASSA's methods of working either. Sometimes I cringe at how bully-ish they can be in their magazine or on their website.
And many others would agree. Those that have access to the BASSA site chatroom would see many a debate amongst crew unhappy with BASSA's handling on many matters. Their comments on the Gate Gourmet fiasco springs to mind.
But when it matters, they are effective. If the ballot concerned more 'important' matters to crews, such as money or T&C's, the turnout would have been much higher.
And this is why 12,000+ mainline crew are still paid up members.
However, most of us were not against EG300 (so long as we had the safeguards negotiated by BASSA) so didn't really see the need to vote, especially as BA were giving us a financial sweetner (that had already gone into our bank account!) and BASSA were recommending our acceptance anyway.
Now I will cop a boll*cking from my collegues for this, but I didnt vote for or against EG300 as I wasn't too bothered either way. But if the vote had been about getting rid of box payments or reducing days off I would have had my vote sent back by special delivery!
Oh, I am BA long haul crew at LHR.
My basic salary per month is GBP872.00. (Gross, before any deductions)
Minus the tax, NI, pension etc, then tell me how you can't understand why we are concerned about our allowences or picking up a few extra quid from a box payment or CAT!!!!!!
PS. I don't like BASSA's methods of working either. Sometimes I cringe at how bully-ish they can be in their magazine or on their website.
And many others would agree. Those that have access to the BASSA site chatroom would see many a debate amongst crew unhappy with BASSA's handling on many matters. Their comments on the Gate Gourmet fiasco springs to mind.
But when it matters, they are effective. If the ballot concerned more 'important' matters to crews, such as money or T&C's, the turnout would have been much higher.
And this is why 12,000+ mainline crew are still paid up members.
However, most of us were not against EG300 (so long as we had the safeguards negotiated by BASSA) so didn't really see the need to vote, especially as BA were giving us a financial sweetner (that had already gone into our bank account!) and BASSA were recommending our acceptance anyway.
Now I will cop a boll*cking from my collegues for this, but I didnt vote for or against EG300 as I wasn't too bothered either way. But if the vote had been about getting rid of box payments or reducing days off I would have had my vote sent back by special delivery!
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I know what you mean Keeper.
My partner is BA long-haul crew on the post 1997 (new mainline) contract.
I always laugh when I see people on here posting 'BA crew always go sick'. Because he can't afford to, even when he really IS ill.
You see, he typically takes home around £1700-£2000 per month after deductions.
But if he is ill for the month, he could walk away with £800 for the month!!
And there is no truth in 'just going ill for the un-profitable trips'. Because if you go ill for that trip you ALSO lose your next two trips, one of which is pretty much guaranteed to be lucrative.
So, yeh I think BA crew are better paid than the average. But BA certainly get their pound of flesh out of the crews as well!
My partner is BA long-haul crew on the post 1997 (new mainline) contract.
I always laugh when I see people on here posting 'BA crew always go sick'. Because he can't afford to, even when he really IS ill.
You see, he typically takes home around £1700-£2000 per month after deductions.
But if he is ill for the month, he could walk away with £800 for the month!!
And there is no truth in 'just going ill for the un-profitable trips'. Because if you go ill for that trip you ALSO lose your next two trips, one of which is pretty much guaranteed to be lucrative.
So, yeh I think BA crew are better paid than the average. But BA certainly get their pound of flesh out of the crews as well!
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Keeperboy - sounds like you live in the real world so watch out for BASSA claiming the credit for the 'safeguards'. CC are now on the same AMP as everyone else - the changes brought in which led to BASSA signing up were not BASSA's result - all unions were involved in renegotiations as agreed when we all signed up.
FWIW my own view is that good CC are worth their weight in allowances - maybe I've been lucky but I've flown with some very good BA CC recently.
FWIW my own view is that good CC are worth their weight in allowances - maybe I've been lucky but I've flown with some very good BA CC recently.
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so long as we had the safeguards negotiated by BASSA
All changed to the new AMP were negotiated by the unions involved and NOT BASSA/CC89.
The EG300 signed up for by BASSA is identical to the one agreed by the other unions over 6 months of talks.
This is a FACT. BASSA have lied and spun it as usual.
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No, been in BA a while, but not long enough that if they change the pension agreements I won't be stuffed. I heard that the new boys pension projection was very very small.
I just don't see why I should be carrying a bunch of precious pre madonna's who are institutionalised, a bloated management
and militant ground ops (LHR).
Lgw however is much much much better in all respects.
I just want a secure job and pension and if BA is reformed to support that, everyone else can then demand to earn vastly inflated salaries above market rate.
I just don't see why I should be carrying a bunch of precious pre madonna's who are institutionalised, a bloated management
and militant ground ops (LHR).
Lgw however is much much much better in all respects.
I just want a secure job and pension and if BA is reformed to support that, everyone else can then demand to earn vastly inflated salaries above market rate.
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SUGGS: 
From the BASSA site (yes I know some people will say I shouldnt be pasting it but if we are discussing something lets all know what it is we are discussing about!):
The result of our postal ballot on EG 300 was a "yes" vote. However, this ballot result could be declared null and void if BA do not adhere strictly to what was agreed - evidence has reached us today that, alarmingly, this is currently not the case. BASSA originally recommended acceptance, on the understanding that the policy towards cabin crew sickness would be as outlined in the separate document that accompanied EG300 and it would be reviewed at a fortnightly meeting. 72 hours after the ballot closed BA (Fleet) management seem to be reneging on what was agreed.
BA (Industrial Relations) management have, tonight, promised an immediate meeting to rectify the problem, we will let you know the outcome of this meeting.
Once again, it appears we have been let down by Fleet management, who seem to want to continue their policy of bullying the crew at every opportunity. If we are not satisfied with the outcome of our meeting with IR then we will be issuing another ballot with the opposite recommendation.
The BASSA Branch Committee
So if all this is lies, who the hell do you rely on for the truth?
From the BASSA site (yes I know some people will say I shouldnt be pasting it but if we are discussing something lets all know what it is we are discussing about!):
The result of our postal ballot on EG 300 was a "yes" vote. However, this ballot result could be declared null and void if BA do not adhere strictly to what was agreed - evidence has reached us today that, alarmingly, this is currently not the case. BASSA originally recommended acceptance, on the understanding that the policy towards cabin crew sickness would be as outlined in the separate document that accompanied EG300 and it would be reviewed at a fortnightly meeting. 72 hours after the ballot closed BA (Fleet) management seem to be reneging on what was agreed.
BA (Industrial Relations) management have, tonight, promised an immediate meeting to rectify the problem, we will let you know the outcome of this meeting.
Once again, it appears we have been let down by Fleet management, who seem to want to continue their policy of bullying the crew at every opportunity. If we are not satisfied with the outcome of our meeting with IR then we will be issuing another ballot with the opposite recommendation.
The BASSA Branch Committee
So if all this is lies, who the hell do you rely on for the truth?
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FACTS
A seperate document exists with advice on how to implement the policy, TRUE.
Management are ignoring it (PROBABLY)
Policy is different for CC and changes were negotiated by BASSA. LIES.
The policy is identical in every way as negotiated by the TU's who originally singed up for it.
Incidentally BALPA still has not "agreed" the new policy as they apparently are waiting to see about a side document, the only thing BASSA negotiated.
FACTS
A seperate document exists with advice on how to implement the policy, TRUE.
Management are ignoring it (PROBABLY)
Policy is different for CC and changes were negotiated by BASSA. LIES.
The policy is identical in every way as negotiated by the TU's who originally singed up for it.
Incidentally BALPA still has not "agreed" the new policy as they apparently are waiting to see about a side document, the only thing BASSA negotiated.
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DONTDOIT has posted a thread to start an arguement, and proabaly sits there laughing at everyone on here now scoring points against eachother and telling everyone out there, including any journos, about any insecurities and problems in CRM and within management and policies at BA.
Anyone noticed dontdoit hasnt been back on to comment since the original post? They may have pointed the original gun, but it's us lot who supply the bullets and shoot.
We've ended up covering the same tired old discussions and conflicts, again.........!
Lets give it up guys and talk about something worthwhile!
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Anyone noticed dontdoit hasnt been back on to comment since the original post? They may have pointed the original gun, but it's us lot who supply the bullets and shoot.
We've ended up covering the same tired old discussions and conflicts, again.........!
Lets give it up guys and talk about something worthwhile!
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On the contrary, I posted originally to highlight how weak the BA Cabin Crew now are collectively from an Industrial point of view.
They have proved that they will now be "easy pickings" when the big axe comes a-swinging for their exisiting Terms and Conditions.
If I was WW, I know which group in BA I would be targetting first. I wish him well, the tide appears to be running in his favour.
They have proved that they will now be "easy pickings" when the big axe comes a-swinging for their exisiting Terms and Conditions.
If I was WW, I know which group in BA I would be targetting first. I wish him well, the tide appears to be running in his favour.
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I, like many crew, abstained from the vote on EG300.
However, if WW tried to enforce a change to our T&C's or money I would support industrial action in a flash.
I don't think this EG300 issue has any correlation with a weakening of a collective bargaining position.
However, if WW tried to enforce a change to our T&C's or money I would support industrial action in a flash.
I don't think this EG300 issue has any correlation with a weakening of a collective bargaining position.
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I always laugh when I see people on here posting 'BA crew always go sick'. Because he can't afford to, even when he really IS ill.
You see, he typically takes home around £1700-£2000 per month after deductions.
But if he is ill for the month, he could walk away with £800 for the month!!
You see, he typically takes home around £1700-£2000 per month after deductions.
But if he is ill for the month, he could walk away with £800 for the month!!
On you go, Willie.
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Having worked for BA in the past I can confidentally say that a) BA crews are good at moaning about conditions etc, but few stand by their beds when it matters and b) yes, BA crews get paid well, BUT the claimed £27,000 is very variable. Any aircrew salary is dependent on the trips done -if a crew member goes sick for 3 or 4 weeks then their salary is pennies.
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Miche I agree with you, to a point. Those at BA from the generation you refer to DO moan all the time with only the likes of a season at B Cal in the 70's to compare their terrible conditions at BA with. Not all of tem I hasten to add. Just the ones that have been doing the job too long and hate it, but need to pay their masive mortgages and kids private school fees.
The majority of us that have joined in the last ten years are a little more in the real world. Many of us (myself included) have worked for other airlines like bmi and Virgin etc etc where we know what BAD conditions really are. So most of us do appreciate what we have at BA.
And you are spot on about the money while sick. Which is why I don't understand why cabin crew sickness is so bad???
Because, if we are not at work flying, we earn pennies. So, is it people on the massive basic salary old contracts dragging the rest of our sickness stats down because they can afford to?
The majority of us that have joined in the last ten years are a little more in the real world. Many of us (myself included) have worked for other airlines like bmi and Virgin etc etc where we know what BAD conditions really are. So most of us do appreciate what we have at BA.
And you are spot on about the money while sick. Which is why I don't understand why cabin crew sickness is so bad???
Because, if we are not at work flying, we earn pennies. So, is it people on the massive basic salary old contracts dragging the rest of our sickness stats down because they can afford to?
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I am new contract crew on EF at LHR and I take home about £1600 in an average month.
However, I don't end up with a lot left after I've paid out:
£650 a month rent on a crap house near the airport
£150 council tax and bills
£200 food/household
£100 petrol
£100 insurance etc...
Doesn't exactly leave me a lot left does it? Considering I drive an 8 year old car and don't have any loans or debts to pay off...
It's not a case of BA cc being paid too much, it's a case of the others being paid too little. Even on my BA salary there is no way on earth i will be able to afford to buy a house or even save for a deposit so how can i possibly survive if my pay was cut?
However, I don't end up with a lot left after I've paid out:
£650 a month rent on a crap house near the airport
£150 council tax and bills
£200 food/household
£100 petrol
£100 insurance etc...
Doesn't exactly leave me a lot left does it? Considering I drive an 8 year old car and don't have any loans or debts to pay off...
It's not a case of BA cc being paid too much, it's a case of the others being paid too little. Even on my BA salary there is no way on earth i will be able to afford to buy a house or even save for a deposit so how can i possibly survive if my pay was cut?