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At BA we field at least one female CC who is a size '28' and having seen her she is built like a brick out house and has to force her way down the isle. We also have one FC with a '52' waist, one can only assume he flys 'widebodies'.
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What! people banned for having a sense of humour. maybe the moderator should pull his/her head out and not be so up themself. Typical of cabin crew caring sharing forums. Gossip and slagging off is the real way of life in the cabin large or small.
Dont bother banning me im off. hippocrites.
I sit wong that someone doesnt like large people or just an opinion.
Ok then, take the rest of your life off... Goodbye
Dont bother banning me im off. hippocrites.
I sit wong that someone doesnt like large people or just an opinion.
Ok then, take the rest of your life off... Goodbye
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Dungfunnel, I wouldn't like to be on board with you flying, you're mentually ill, forget to take your pills today ... !!! A320 figures!!
411A, I agree that cc's are the face of the airline and therefore their presentation should be of an impectable standard, including weight in proportion with height, definately!. Secondly, I fly asian carriers regularly and they have some real fatties and maybe if you scrape some of the caker head off (makeup that is!) maybe they'd be okay (no offence, just stating facts ... ) you're obviously not looking hard enough and think you're blowing to much sunshine in the wrong direction, so you face the facts 411A. Finally, if passengers want to look at girls or guys sexually they should go to a strip club.
Dungfunnel, whatever ... , you're a bore and ugly, snap those 'short mans' fingers all you like my skinny a-- won't be coming! Coffee, tea or me (don't thing so ... or maybe chicken or fish ... ! hehe!!) Won't be hearing from you too soon ... hehe!! Chao ...
Cheers
Chanel (Oh Dungfunnel, maybe you need some ... chanel that is, if you find it out of the low place you are to know what chanel is ... !
ps sorry moderators hope this isn't to much incorrect wording, if it is I apologise)
411A, I agree that cc's are the face of the airline and therefore their presentation should be of an impectable standard, including weight in proportion with height, definately!. Secondly, I fly asian carriers regularly and they have some real fatties and maybe if you scrape some of the caker head off (makeup that is!) maybe they'd be okay (no offence, just stating facts ... ) you're obviously not looking hard enough and think you're blowing to much sunshine in the wrong direction, so you face the facts 411A. Finally, if passengers want to look at girls or guys sexually they should go to a strip club.
Dungfunnel, whatever ... , you're a bore and ugly, snap those 'short mans' fingers all you like my skinny a-- won't be coming! Coffee, tea or me (don't thing so ... or maybe chicken or fish ... ! hehe!!) Won't be hearing from you too soon ... hehe!! Chao ...
Cheers
Chanel (Oh Dungfunnel, maybe you need some ... chanel that is, if you find it out of the low place you are to know what chanel is ... !
ps sorry moderators hope this isn't to much incorrect wording, if it is I apologise)
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I saw the Delta girls in the hotel the other day while on a trip and they were the scruffiest bunch i've ever seen!!!! Not only were majority of them grandma age (nothing necessarily wrong with that) but their grooming was terrible and the uniforms!!! no more said.
Oz
ps- however, i have seen "large" asian women/men, the reason why you don't see them if you fly SQ or CX etc, is because they probably wouldn't have made it past the first interview for this reason alone!!!! but of course the airline's reason as to why they didn't get through was because of something else, of course, hmmmmmm.
Oz
Oz
ps- however, i have seen "large" asian women/men, the reason why you don't see them if you fly SQ or CX etc, is because they probably wouldn't have made it past the first interview for this reason alone!!!! but of course the airline's reason as to why they didn't get through was because of something else, of course, hmmmmmm.
Oz
Since when do we assume that every passenger is a young male?
I find it quite funny really, because when it comes down to it, everyone has different taste.
Glamour will only get you so far. I have flown with absolutely gorgeous people who either froze when the shyte hit the fan, or had no idea what to do. Usually they struggled to hold a conversation as well. Of course, to be fair ive flown with gorgeous people who are brilliant safety and service wise - but there is NO link between looks and the duties of a flight attendant.
We generally did two types of flights
-Mine flights, where 99.9% of the pax were butch, hard working males.
-Holiday flights, where 99.9% of the pax were over 55.
We had a great variety of FAs, gorgeous, not so gorgeous, female, and male (well, i was the only male in my base).
Generally, the miners didnt care. Yes some of them loved their girls - but after their first drink they couldnt care if you were an orange panda wearing sequence - as long as they got what they wanted whether that be another drink, a chat, or to be left alone.
In one case, the miners requested the flight only be crewed with males, as I at least couldnt care less what obscenities came out of their mouthes, as long as they didnt offend anyone else. In some cases it did, as on the final sector normal paying rpt pax joined - however as I had a rappor with them it was never a problem to get them to settle down, unlike some girls who were in the galley crying with a closed bar and a double cart across the aisle at the front.
The oldies cared about one thing - service. It didnt matter what you looked like.
Yes you are the face of the airline. Theres plenty of attractive older, and larger crew too though.
Safety wise, it makes no difference how big ur arse is. I had one male pax in business class (who would travel regularly for business), who tended to give me in particular a hard time. I found he was happiest whenever the girls served him, and had no problem letting them. It only took one inflight fire, and him to see that all the crew, the pretty, the old and the large, male and female, working together using the safety equipment the pax rarely see in use (fire extinguisher, protective breathing equip, fire gloves, dangerous goods kit), and he NEVER had an issue with the older or larger or male FAs again. In fact, he even came up to me in the street when I was on an overnight, and he shook my hand and said it really made him realise just why we were there. (not a big place).
Finally - , personality and ability will outshine even the most 'less blessed' of crew.
Secondly - Not all passengers are so shallow. PLLLLEEEASE stop living in the past. Not all changes over the last 40 years have been for the worse...
I find it quite funny really, because when it comes down to it, everyone has different taste.
Glamour will only get you so far. I have flown with absolutely gorgeous people who either froze when the shyte hit the fan, or had no idea what to do. Usually they struggled to hold a conversation as well. Of course, to be fair ive flown with gorgeous people who are brilliant safety and service wise - but there is NO link between looks and the duties of a flight attendant.
We generally did two types of flights
-Mine flights, where 99.9% of the pax were butch, hard working males.
-Holiday flights, where 99.9% of the pax were over 55.
We had a great variety of FAs, gorgeous, not so gorgeous, female, and male (well, i was the only male in my base).
Generally, the miners didnt care. Yes some of them loved their girls - but after their first drink they couldnt care if you were an orange panda wearing sequence - as long as they got what they wanted whether that be another drink, a chat, or to be left alone.
In one case, the miners requested the flight only be crewed with males, as I at least couldnt care less what obscenities came out of their mouthes, as long as they didnt offend anyone else. In some cases it did, as on the final sector normal paying rpt pax joined - however as I had a rappor with them it was never a problem to get them to settle down, unlike some girls who were in the galley crying with a closed bar and a double cart across the aisle at the front.
The oldies cared about one thing - service. It didnt matter what you looked like.
Yes you are the face of the airline. Theres plenty of attractive older, and larger crew too though.
Safety wise, it makes no difference how big ur arse is. I had one male pax in business class (who would travel regularly for business), who tended to give me in particular a hard time. I found he was happiest whenever the girls served him, and had no problem letting them. It only took one inflight fire, and him to see that all the crew, the pretty, the old and the large, male and female, working together using the safety equipment the pax rarely see in use (fire extinguisher, protective breathing equip, fire gloves, dangerous goods kit), and he NEVER had an issue with the older or larger or male FAs again. In fact, he even came up to me in the street when I was on an overnight, and he shook my hand and said it really made him realise just why we were there. (not a big place).
Finally - , personality and ability will outshine even the most 'less blessed' of crew.
Secondly - Not all passengers are so shallow. PLLLLEEEASE stop living in the past. Not all changes over the last 40 years have been for the worse...
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\\\Finally, if passengers want to look at girls or guys sexually they should go to a strip club.\\\
Strip clubs are not the issue, CHANEL, it is the grooming and appearance of CC that is addressed here.
Older CC who keep themselves in shape, and do the job properly, will always find a job reserved for them...be it senior cabin chief, purser...or serving in cattle class.
The one's I refer to are those folks (mostly female...but some males as well) who just simply seem to ignore the required fitness standards...you know, the overweight ugly gals (and guys) who don't give a damn, thinking (using the term in its broadest sense)...'well I have a job, stuff the passengers, management too.'
Sadly, passengers see this for what it is, and vote with their wallets, as clearly such airlines as SQ/CX have found out a very long time ago.
And speaking of SQ, as I operated for 'em a very long time ago, their policy at the time (and may still be the case), hired their CC on four year contracts.
At the end of same, out the door they went, to be replaced by 20 somethings with more 'eye' appeal,
unless they had senior CC staff potential, and acted / produced accordingly.
Lets really face facts here.
The only older folks appreciated by the paying passengers are the guys (gals) at the pointy end...firmly planted in the LH seat.
Always has been...always will be.
Strip clubs are not the issue, CHANEL, it is the grooming and appearance of CC that is addressed here.
Older CC who keep themselves in shape, and do the job properly, will always find a job reserved for them...be it senior cabin chief, purser...or serving in cattle class.
The one's I refer to are those folks (mostly female...but some males as well) who just simply seem to ignore the required fitness standards...you know, the overweight ugly gals (and guys) who don't give a damn, thinking (using the term in its broadest sense)...'well I have a job, stuff the passengers, management too.'
Sadly, passengers see this for what it is, and vote with their wallets, as clearly such airlines as SQ/CX have found out a very long time ago.
And speaking of SQ, as I operated for 'em a very long time ago, their policy at the time (and may still be the case), hired their CC on four year contracts.
At the end of same, out the door they went, to be replaced by 20 somethings with more 'eye' appeal,
unless they had senior CC staff potential, and acted / produced accordingly.
Lets really face facts here.
The only older folks appreciated by the paying passengers are the guys (gals) at the pointy end...firmly planted in the LH seat.
Always has been...always will be.
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If the purpose of weight guidelines is to enable the FAs to perform their job efficiently and move down the aisles speedily (as seems to be the case as shown by the Qantas guidelines on page 2), then why would BMI be relevant? BMI is a height/body mass guide - you can have high BMI but still be small and thus still fit through the aisle comfortably.
The test surely is simply whether you can do your job properly and move down the aisles with ease. This in itself (see Jessica Starmer/BALPA thread) might be discriminatory, since the anatomy of women generally lends itself to wider hips than guys.
The test surely is simply whether you can do your job properly and move down the aisles with ease. This in itself (see Jessica Starmer/BALPA thread) might be discriminatory, since the anatomy of women generally lends itself to wider hips than guys.
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411A, I understand and can appreciate that 'strip clubs' are not the issue here, merely making an 'extremist' point relating to cc's being fat, skinny or whatever and having passengers looking at you like you are 'meat' (so to speak), I felt after reading one of your previous postings, that was the flavour. I also understand and I will reitarate, cc's are the face of the airline and DO need to present themselves in an appropriate manner i.e. looking after themselves - being older, younger, larger or smaller has NO relevance here, just presentation!
As I said previously, CX do not have the greatest looking cc's and many of them are older, especially in the J class and above cabins, so again, I do not know where you get your information, secondly, it is common knowledge that CX have lowered their physical standards, somewhat, just fly and take a look - not that it matters any!! However, I must say I've found the service on CX great as with most asian carriers (being a service culture) and that's what make's people return, obviously not the candy on display!
Fokker_Me here here, couldn't of put a better angument forward, my sentiments exactly, well said!
Cheers
CHANEL x
As I said previously, CX do not have the greatest looking cc's and many of them are older, especially in the J class and above cabins, so again, I do not know where you get your information, secondly, it is common knowledge that CX have lowered their physical standards, somewhat, just fly and take a look - not that it matters any!! However, I must say I've found the service on CX great as with most asian carriers (being a service culture) and that's what make's people return, obviously not the candy on display!
Fokker_Me here here, couldn't of put a better angument forward, my sentiments exactly, well said!
Cheers
CHANEL x
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I have a friend who works for SQ and she once told me that only the prettiest FAs can work in First class. Imagine that, you go to the briefing and your in-charge crew member sends you to the back as in his/her eyes you're ugly!! Wow!! 
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I can't believe some of the things being said on here!
How can some of you be soooooo narrow minded, How do you know that passengers don't want to look at bigger c/c, there are some people in the world who think the bigger the better.
I fit just fine down the centre of the aisle even though I am a size 18. I am completely in proportion, I have not yet had c-d disease as you guys are calling it and I drink a lot of water and hence have great skin.
At the end of the day I work for a company which demands impecable appearance (hair and makeup tidy and appropriate) and that the uniform is worn to standards. When I work in a position where I am bidding the customers farwell they can't thank us enough for a wonderful flight, not once have I ever heard of a passenger say (even in private) that they did not like the size of one of the crew.
I have however heard people say ''she looks far too skinny, someone give her a pie'' or ''she has far too much makeup on'' or ''they do not look very smart/tidy''
So remember, we are there for safety first (I was the quickest person to evacuate my 'sim' plane in training, only girl to close the door first time and can lift a life raft by myself!) and as long as we can do the job WHO CARES!
How can some of you be soooooo narrow minded, How do you know that passengers don't want to look at bigger c/c, there are some people in the world who think the bigger the better.
I fit just fine down the centre of the aisle even though I am a size 18. I am completely in proportion, I have not yet had c-d disease as you guys are calling it and I drink a lot of water and hence have great skin.
At the end of the day I work for a company which demands impecable appearance (hair and makeup tidy and appropriate) and that the uniform is worn to standards. When I work in a position where I am bidding the customers farwell they can't thank us enough for a wonderful flight, not once have I ever heard of a passenger say (even in private) that they did not like the size of one of the crew.
I have however heard people say ''she looks far too skinny, someone give her a pie'' or ''she has far too much makeup on'' or ''they do not look very smart/tidy''
So remember, we are there for safety first (I was the quickest person to evacuate my 'sim' plane in training, only girl to close the door first time and can lift a life raft by myself!) and as long as we can do the job WHO CARES!
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this post keeps on appearing , can the moderator please close it, it really is a non issue, even though Im quite thin, I feel sorry for the "larger " people, who bloody cares, as long as the do a good job onboard, I dont care about their sizes, this post makes f/a look do pathetic, Moderator, close it
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I bet all the people who don't agree with this post or can't believe that we are being so contraversial and discriminating the fat cc are a bunch of lard asses themself!!
All the fit,good looking cc are laughing there butts off to this thread!
face the truth..loose some weight!!
LOL
All the fit,good looking cc are laughing there butts off to this thread!
face the truth..loose some weight!!
LOL
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Bandit I don't agree with you and I don't think you're being fair either. I, for example, am not laughing at all.
We were discussing whether carriers prefer "skinny" crews (and everybody would straight away imagine female crews, such is the world we live in) to attract more (MALE) passengers.
Also with a look over safety issues.
As I said there's a cabin crew in my base who is so big they can barely fit in a double crew seat, they're obviously way overweight and I doubt their FITNESS (and not capability) to do the job. But a bit overweight...who cares? As long as ppl are professional, and have good interpersonal skills and a bit of diplomacy (thing that you SEEM to be lacking in my dear) who cares?
Generalizing is never a good answer. Some skinny and beautiful crews (girls AND BOYS) can be complete tarts as well and though they have no C & D syndrome they wouldn't be able to solve ANY kind of problem on board and would run to their purser crying for help all the time!!! (seen it many times in my previous job) Being "good looking" and physically proportioned doesn't measure what you can/cannot do and HOW you can do it. Challenging situations do.
Enjoy.
FBW
We were discussing whether carriers prefer "skinny" crews (and everybody would straight away imagine female crews, such is the world we live in) to attract more (MALE) passengers.
Also with a look over safety issues.
As I said there's a cabin crew in my base who is so big they can barely fit in a double crew seat, they're obviously way overweight and I doubt their FITNESS (and not capability) to do the job. But a bit overweight...who cares? As long as ppl are professional, and have good interpersonal skills and a bit of diplomacy (thing that you SEEM to be lacking in my dear) who cares?
Generalizing is never a good answer. Some skinny and beautiful crews (girls AND BOYS) can be complete tarts as well and though they have no C & D syndrome they wouldn't be able to solve ANY kind of problem on board and would run to their purser crying for help all the time!!! (seen it many times in my previous job) Being "good looking" and physically proportioned doesn't measure what you can/cannot do and HOW you can do it. Challenging situations do.
Enjoy.
FBW
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Since 411A describes himself as an Airline Captain in his profile, it makes one wonder why he feels so passionately about attractive cabin crew...
It's 2005, 411A. Our customers are not mainly middle aged businessmen as used to be the case many years ago. The world has changed for the better, and not only airlines but also the majority of customers don't base their opinions on how pretty and slim the flight attendants are. The reason the Asian carriers are doing well is because they go all out with the service. If they didn't, they wouldn't get the repeat business no matter how attractive their staff were.
It's 2005, 411A. Our customers are not mainly middle aged businessmen as used to be the case many years ago. The world has changed for the better, and not only airlines but also the majority of customers don't base their opinions on how pretty and slim the flight attendants are. The reason the Asian carriers are doing well is because they go all out with the service. If they didn't, they wouldn't get the repeat business no matter how attractive their staff were.
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i believe sometimes so of the guys and girls are overweight on the airlines
If they can still do the work than i do not see what the problem is. Have to admit in the event of an emergency i would much rather have a stronger, solid person helping me, than the sticks on SQ.
On the other side of that size 12 or above femal crew on QF should learn not to wear the one piece dress. It is totally unflatering to see fat roles accented by the lycra stretch. Learn to dress to size, that is why there are different variations
If they can still do the work than i do not see what the problem is. Have to admit in the event of an emergency i would much rather have a stronger, solid person helping me, than the sticks on SQ.
On the other side of that size 12 or above femal crew on QF should learn not to wear the one piece dress. It is totally unflatering to see fat roles accented by the lycra stretch. Learn to dress to size, that is why there are different variations
