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In my thinking through the matter and reading, the location near the emergency exit door, also looks like the best place in theory. However, the RH engine would also ingest.....conclusion. Preventative in-flight shut-down of RH engine. Still like the idea of tossing it out the baggage door after a depressurization, but it was pointed out to me, that the triggering mechaniam should also be inspected to see if it is a barometric one. If that can be ascertained, then a BIG no-no to depressurize, where the only resort might then be the emergency door, wet-blankets and towels, shut-down RH engine scenario.
Preventive pre-departure inspection of every nook and cranny must still be the best. Having done that, I cannot think of a scenario where a bomb would later be discovered. My F/A is so lazy, she would never find it anyway(!)
....slight attempt at humour.....
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Preventive pre-departure inspection of every nook and cranny must still be the best. Having done that, I cannot think of a scenario where a bomb would later be discovered. My F/A is so lazy, she would never find it anyway(!)
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Why would that happen Doodlebug?
In the case of Challenger or GLEX the engine is quite a bit higher than the bottom of the door and you would not need to open the door all the way, but just enough to push the bomb out, few cm let's say. You could actually push it out and down, away from the engine.
Also if you are worried about the intake flow you could pull the engine to idle or even shut it down.
In the case of Challenger or GLEX the engine is quite a bit higher than the bottom of the door and you would not need to open the door all the way, but just enough to push the bomb out, few cm let's say. You could actually push it out and down, away from the engine.
Also if you are worried about the intake flow you could pull the engine to idle or even shut it down.
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Stuck-------thanks for the pm.
it was best taking off forum as , the information provided to you could be used wrongly and without a debate about the ins and out. the Pm should put you on the right track for writing EM. i know mine was approved by several different auditors with commendation.
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Mr Flydive, will you agree that the cargo-hatches on the 604 and the GLEX are positioned a bit differently, and that it is reasonable to expect that the chances of something being ingested on the GLEX are probably higher? That said, we wont know until somebody tries. Ok, precautionary shutdown and an attempt to get rid of the ticking box - I'd be even more worried just about trying to crack open that hatch in flight without needing my own personal transponder-code very shortly thereafter. 
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Yes, they are probably quite different, I do not remember exactly how the Challenger one is.
But talking about the GLEX, I see it quite feasible to just crack the cargo door open few cm, let's say 20cm, with the aircraft depressurized and drop out something away from the engine and without been sucked out yourself. As I said as a precaution you could shut down the engine.
Of course we are talking theoretically here as I haven't tried opening the cargo door in flight and not looking forward testing it.
But talking about the GLEX, I see it quite feasible to just crack the cargo door open few cm, let's say 20cm, with the aircraft depressurized and drop out something away from the engine and without been sucked out yourself. As I said as a precaution you could shut down the engine.
Of course we are talking theoretically here as I haven't tried opening the cargo door in flight and not looking forward testing it.
So folks give the Ters a heads up here & help them out
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Those Louis Vuitton suitcases look pretty sturdy (there is never a shortage of them onboard it seems), try packing inside in the style of a Russian Doll ;-)
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And of course, don't forget that since the chances of there being a bomb on your aircraft are extremely remote, the chances of there being two independently are astronomical - So always make sure to take your own bomb!
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Why we bother with security initiatives
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Conversely, those who publicly ridicule security initiatives encourage and empower aggressors to attempt such crimes.
Consider what you are communicating to potential aggressors who are looking for a soft target with high profile victims.
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Off the cuff if the bomb was going to go off in ten seconds, immersing the bomb in the lav blue water, pouring a pot of coffee on it, might kill an ignition source...that said, if I had time...some big jets have internal baggage doors that don't have nacelles behind them.
Would be nice to have portable oxygen...but if not..in say a Citation, power back, speed brakes,.nose goes over to 50 kts past Vmo(flight test standard), gently level off at 18k. AS hold to as slow as you can get it. Emer hatch PULLED inside...left banking turn, pax throws the bomb outside.
If the engine takes the package, chances are it will eat it up, and won't detonate. If the engine is hosed...a one engine flight is a no brainer, and I would consider trying to put the hatch back in..get things in the cabin back to psuedo normal again.
Consider yourself lucky in a biz jet to have the option to even consider the option. If it was an airline...the bomb would be ticking away while the pilots flip through SOPs manuals and checklists, calling dispatch for a solution. Probably go the way of the Alaska jackscrew deal...just flying and flying...no one making a decision....
Would be nice to have portable oxygen...but if not..in say a Citation, power back, speed brakes,.nose goes over to 50 kts past Vmo(flight test standard), gently level off at 18k. AS hold to as slow as you can get it. Emer hatch PULLED inside...left banking turn, pax throws the bomb outside.
If the engine takes the package, chances are it will eat it up, and won't detonate. If the engine is hosed...a one engine flight is a no brainer, and I would consider trying to put the hatch back in..get things in the cabin back to psuedo normal again.
Consider yourself lucky in a biz jet to have the option to even consider the option. If it was an airline...the bomb would be ticking away while the pilots flip through SOPs manuals and checklists, calling dispatch for a solution. Probably go the way of the Alaska jackscrew deal...just flying and flying...no one making a decision....
