Redundancy and staying afloat!
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Redundancy and staying afloat!
In these unfortunate hard times, what are pilots doing to support themselves and their families if they are made redundant?
We are always on the lookout for the next job, which we hope will last, but what employment are people seeking when it is impossible to find employment flying?
Temping in offices,
Working in bars,
Lorry driving,
Cleaning windows...
Surely as qualified professionals, there must be well paid work other than the type mentioned above?
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We are always on the lookout for the next job, which we hope will last, but what employment are people seeking when it is impossible to find employment flying?
Temping in offices,
Working in bars,
Lorry driving,
Cleaning windows...
Surely as qualified professionals, there must be well paid work other than the type mentioned above?
Any contributions to the thread would be appreciated.
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But you are a 'qualified professional pilot', nothing else (ignoring other achievements).
If I am a professional banker, although one wonders if the two words can be said in the same sentence, and made redundant, does that mean because I was a 'professional' I should be able to walk in to another 'professional' job, ie a barrister or a pilot for that matter?
The job of a pilot is indeed a job requiring professionalism, and it is considered/viewed in the category of a 'professional' (whatever that actually means) but I dont believe it means you are equipped to walk into another professional sector on the strength of your ATPL.
If I am a professional banker, although one wonders if the two words can be said in the same sentence, and made redundant, does that mean because I was a 'professional' I should be able to walk in to another 'professional' job, ie a barrister or a pilot for that matter?
The job of a pilot is indeed a job requiring professionalism, and it is considered/viewed in the category of a 'professional' (whatever that actually means) but I dont believe it means you are equipped to walk into another professional sector on the strength of your ATPL.
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Unless you have a specific skill which you can market on a consultancy basis, getting a decent job is very difficult.
The last time I was in this situation the most common comment I got from prospective employers was "you're a professional pilot so I would only expect you to stay until you get a flying job. Sorry, I need someone who is likely to stay."
In the end I lied and said I'd lost my license due to my eye sight deteriorating and got a job shortly after
The last time I was in this situation the most common comment I got from prospective employers was "you're a professional pilot so I would only expect you to stay until you get a flying job. Sorry, I need someone who is likely to stay."
In the end I lied and said I'd lost my license due to my eye sight deteriorating and got a job shortly after
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One of my mates ended up back in the bakery in a well know supermarket, only to get the sack when he was caught licking the apple out of the apple pies before they went into the oven... The holder of an ATPL no less...
It's hard out there, it really is, a number of guys whom I worked with at EBJ are still six month later out of work... It is soul distroying. I've been lucky with freelance work with the strong poss of a perm job come April...
What do you do, well you got to keep your head above the water line and hope that onday we will see light at the end of the tunnel and the market will pick up...
Stay tight bro's
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It's hard out there, it really is, a number of guys whom I worked with at EBJ are still six month later out of work... It is soul distroying. I've been lucky with freelance work with the strong poss of a perm job come April...
What do you do, well you got to keep your head above the water line and hope that onday we will see light at the end of the tunnel and the market will pick up...
Stay tight bro's
Hasher signing off for the last time...
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Pfffft! You'll be back.
I was doing a little thinking the other day. We have a May Day fete in our village every year and I've a weapons-grade gas barbecue I brought back from Oz so why don't I set up a stall and flog upmarket barby food? Decent grilled chicken and the like. Then I wondered how much it would cost to get a proper catering outfit and was really surprised.
Burger van, £860 nice 'n spicy burger van on eBay, also, Catering Trailers, Restaurant Catering, Business, Office Industrial (end time 02-Mar-09 20:25:22 GMT)
Trailer (currently) £1400 burger van on eBay, also, Catering Trailers, Restaurant Catering, Business, Office Industrial (end time 02-Mar-09 09:46:29 GMT)
My personal favourite at £1000, "Big Baps. In need of TLC"
burger van on eBay, also, Catering Trailers, Restaurant Catering, Business, Office Industrial (end time 02-Mar-09 09:46:29 GMT)I know, I know. They cost money but chip in (pun intended) as a group and start work immediately. Markets, show season soon, fetes......hell, pick a layby outside any port and you'll have truckers queuing up.
Or am I talking out of my arse again?
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Good afternoon...Okay true, you cant just walk into another profession such as Banker or Barrister, of course. But an ATPL proves just like a degree, that you are a hard worker and dedicated. Why shouldn't it mean the possibility of getting a job that pays relatively well? After all, a History student for example, doesn't always become a historian does he/she?
We are better than that of resigning ourselves to burger flipping if we can't fly!
A bit of self respect maybe!?
We are better than that of resigning ourselves to burger flipping if we can't fly!
A bit of self respect maybe!?
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you sound as though you think you are owed a living.
University grads cant get work either so why do you think an ATPL holder is different.
Have you many hours (much experience), on what types, in what areas of operation......and I bet there are still precious few pilot vacancies looking for you.
...difficult times for bankers, car workers, general high street workers, with mortgages, lost savings and pensions worldwide.
....doesnt reality ever hit some pilots....we are all special.
good luck to everyone looking.
University grads cant get work either so why do you think an ATPL holder is different.
Have you many hours (much experience), on what types, in what areas of operation......and I bet there are still precious few pilot vacancies looking for you.
...difficult times for bankers, car workers, general high street workers, with mortgages, lost savings and pensions worldwide.
....doesnt reality ever hit some pilots....we are all special.
good luck to everyone looking.
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We think along the same lines Flinty, me and mrs went to a classic car show late last year on a boring sunday afternoon and a guy had a huge circular, 2m diameter, BBQ set up cooking two types of quality sausages, spicy and none spicy, for £3 each, with nice trimmings, chopped onion, chopped peppers, home made sauces you get the drift.
The show itself was not on a grand scale but the ques for the sausages were.
I got talking to the guy, turns out he was ex German Air Force, and would be interested in a franchise agreement.....hang on for what a BBQ!!
I googled and hey presto the said BBQs are around £600, source a good quality butcher and baker, get a food hygiene cert and away you go.
In the time we were chatting a least a 50 sausages had been sold, if he kept that up for the 2 day show I guess anywere between 1000 to 2000+ sausages at £3 each!
Its got me thinking!! now a name....mmm something along the lines of pigs and flying...
The show itself was not on a grand scale but the ques for the sausages were.
I got talking to the guy, turns out he was ex German Air Force, and would be interested in a franchise agreement.....hang on for what a BBQ!!
I googled and hey presto the said BBQs are around £600, source a good quality butcher and baker, get a food hygiene cert and away you go.
In the time we were chatting a least a 50 sausages had been sold, if he kept that up for the 2 day show I guess anywere between 1000 to 2000+ sausages at £3 each!
Its got me thinking!! now a name....mmm something along the lines of pigs and flying...
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To all, and I mean ALL.......
It is a very difficult situation for all disciplines right now
Aviation, this being a Prof Pilots site, is feeling the pinch as is every one else. Prof Pilots are there flying(or not right now), Prof Ops folks (good old fashioned Ops folks, route/flight planners/Flight Dispatchers (real ones with at least Perf A).good honest crew scheduling etc) we are all out there Ageism also applies people
Who knows, get off yer butt yes, but if there ain't the trade, can you cover the investment, any given activity that ain't make a quid/buck, and is costing more than you can cover is disaster.
How many expats on here sat with their money in BCCI?
Aviation, this being a Prof Pilots site, is feeling the pinch as is every one else. Prof Pilots are there flying(or not right now), Prof Ops folks (good old fashioned Ops folks, route/flight planners/Flight Dispatchers (real ones with at least Perf A).good honest crew scheduling etc) we are all out there Ageism also applies people Who knows, get off yer butt yes, but if there ain't the trade, can you cover the investment, any given activity that ain't make a quid/buck, and is costing more than you can cover is disaster.
How many expats on here sat with their money in BCCI?
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Network marketing.
You will never get rich working for someone else. You may get rich, working for yourself.
Network marketing affords one the opportunity to start their own business on a "shoe string".
Dare I say it, but you can go into any bank and enquire about home based businesses and network marketing will be well up there on the list. Check out some of the established companies. One I know of has been going for eighty years plus.
There are a quite a lot of Network marketing millionaires in the UK alone.
There is no such thing as a fast buck.
Network marketing affords one the opportunity to start their own business on a "shoe string".
Dare I say it, but you can go into any bank and enquire about home based businesses and network marketing will be well up there on the list. Check out some of the established companies. One I know of has been going for eighty years plus.
There are a quite a lot of Network marketing millionaires in the UK alone.
There is no such thing as a fast buck.
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DA in DXB
Many a few in yr area are trying, very trying Spurious stuff out of the Gulf increases by the hour
Though I do agree with you
Spurious stuff out of the Gulf increases by the hour Though I do agree with you
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You're damn right, but the mantra of 'TRANSFERABLE SKILLS' doesn't work outside of our tight industry. I've got chums 6/12 months (too old) out of flying to get anything outside (over-under qual'd), they're all over 50+
Sad friggin world
Sad friggin world
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Welcome to PPRuNe Shiner Pilot.
I had a mate similar to yours. He got the sack from a butchers for putting his fingers in the meat slicer.....
....she lost her job to
I had a mate similar to yours. He got the sack from a butchers for putting his fingers in the meat slicer.....
....she lost her job to
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One of the skills i listed on my non flying cv was an ability to learn new things - quickly! How long or "short" was your shortest TR. I have certainly found that I have a genuine ability to pick up new sjills qicly (tiping isnt on of them) joking aside, the diverse backgrounds of my flying chums is fantastic and we as a breed, on the whole, can turn our hand to anything. For those that know me I don't fly anymore and have my own marine based company and I still enjoy having an aviation input. Nevertheless, I will be looking for work next October and will do just about anything to earn a few spondulies. So I like the idea of the burger van thing and they do make a lot of dosh, however, the cost of your pitch at a big event - airshow or concert can make your eyes water but you will still earn a lot of dosh.
Being your own boss and self employed is the biz - but it comes with a price tag.
So anyone up North or anywhere for that fact need their shopping doing, ironing sorted, house painted, bathroom installed, plumbing repaired, boat painted - well the list is exhaustive just get in touch very reasonable rates.
Being your own boss and self employed is the biz - but it comes with a price tag.
So anyone up North or anywhere for that fact need their shopping doing, ironing sorted, house painted, bathroom installed, plumbing repaired, boat painted - well the list is exhaustive just get in touch very reasonable rates.
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Bit grim just now out there?
How about getting involved in the sales/delivery of aerial photographs? 100% flexible hours with grafters making 75-125 k per annum.
No "status" though.
Meeting lots of successful, interesting people and seeing a lot of the great British countryside. No huge sales skills needed just the ability to be nice to people for a few minutes.
Wouldnt appeal to most pilot types however desparate they were, self image too big an obstacle usually.
How about getting involved in the sales/delivery of aerial photographs? 100% flexible hours with grafters making 75-125 k per annum.
No "status" though
. Meeting lots of successful, interesting people and seeing a lot of the great British countryside. No huge sales skills needed just the ability to be nice to people for a few minutes.
Wouldnt appeal to most pilot types however desparate they were, self image too big an obstacle usually.
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self image too big an obstacle
I like the reverse psychology, bit obvious though. "You wouldn't want to earn £75-125,000 a year working for me because you think you're too good". Hold on. That would make your post an.........advertisment! Can't be, the mods would have deleted it if it were.
Exactly how many of your sales bods make £125,000? £75,000? Any? None? Anybody on here worked for this company and made such sums? Anyone?
I'm calling bull**** on this one.
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