G4 off the runway @ TEB 01/12
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G4 off the runway @ TEB 01/12
This was reported on NY local news last night.
The aircraft skidded off the runway at Teterboro in poor weather at struck a tree. The aircraft is extensively damaged.
I don't think anyone was hurt.
From the pictures on the news it could have been G-GMAC??
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The aircraft skidded off the runway at Teterboro in poor weather at struck a tree. The aircraft is extensively damaged.
I don't think anyone was hurt.
From the pictures on the news it could have been G-GMAC??
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By the way, it is still in the trees, the airplane landed more than three/forth the way down the runway. They hope to have a big enough crane here today to lift it and move it to a hangar.
For you that are familiar with KTEB the airplane landed on 24 and touched down pasted MillionAir. Not much runway left at that point.
For you that are familiar with KTEB the airplane landed on 24 and touched down pasted MillionAir. Not much runway left at that point.
Are there any links to the news item with some photographs ?
The hostie who was on board is a friend of ours : she phoned shaken but apparently not stirred after the event ... wanted to get on another aircraft and go flying !! ..
Tough breed these corporate cabin crew !
The hostie who was on board is a friend of ours : she phoned shaken but apparently not stirred after the event ... wanted to get on another aircraft and go flying !! ..
Tough breed these corporate cabin crew !
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Gulfstream Crew: Reversers, Spoilers Would Not Deploy
The pilots of the UK-registered Gulfstream IV that slid off Runway 24 after landing at Teterboro Airport last Wednesday told the NTSB that the
aircraft touched down within the first one-third of the runway and they could not get the thrust reversers or spoilers to deploy. About halfway
down the runway the captain applied the emergency brake and the first officer deployed the speed brake. From about 3,000 feet to about 5,000
feet the aircraft skidded down the runway before it went off the right side and came to rest on its belly in the trees. The accident severed
the left main and nose landing gear assemblies. The right gear remained attached but collapsed.
In addition, the outboard one-third of the left wing was severed and the nose of the airplane was crushed inward about
five to seven feet. There were no injuries to the two pilots (who hold ATP ratings from the U.S. and UK), the flight attendant or the six
passengers. All nine occupants deplaned out the aft left emergency exit window. The Safety Board found both aft right emergency windows detached,
but is investigating why they couldn't be removed. The aircraft (G-GMAC), registered to GAMA Aviation of Farnborough, England, was on a
charter flight from London Luton Airport. The pilots told the NTSB that the approach was less turbulent than expected, considering the strong gusty
crosswinds prevailing at the time. They were holding a Vref of 128 plus 17 knots (a total of 145 knots), according to the NTSB.
http://www.ainalerts.com/ainalerts/alerts/120704.html
Is there any sense in ground-air sensing interlocks that won't produce the goods under certain conditions? But then again, were they too hot to get the required MLG oleo compression (see in red above).
Chicken and egg. To get the reverse and the spoilers to auto-deploy you need the weight on the wheels (and off the wing). What gets the weight off the wing? Why the spoilers of course......
What's the betting there's no manual override for the GIV spoilers - in order to stop inadvertent inflight spoiler deployment before touchdown (aka pilot-proofing).
The pilots of the UK-registered Gulfstream IV that slid off Runway 24 after landing at Teterboro Airport last Wednesday told the NTSB that the
aircraft touched down within the first one-third of the runway and they could not get the thrust reversers or spoilers to deploy. About halfway
down the runway the captain applied the emergency brake and the first officer deployed the speed brake. From about 3,000 feet to about 5,000
feet the aircraft skidded down the runway before it went off the right side and came to rest on its belly in the trees. The accident severed
the left main and nose landing gear assemblies. The right gear remained attached but collapsed.
In addition, the outboard one-third of the left wing was severed and the nose of the airplane was crushed inward about
five to seven feet. There were no injuries to the two pilots (who hold ATP ratings from the U.S. and UK), the flight attendant or the six
passengers. All nine occupants deplaned out the aft left emergency exit window. The Safety Board found both aft right emergency windows detached,
but is investigating why they couldn't be removed. The aircraft (G-GMAC), registered to GAMA Aviation of Farnborough, England, was on a
charter flight from London Luton Airport. The pilots told the NTSB that the approach was less turbulent than expected, considering the strong gusty
crosswinds prevailing at the time. They were holding a Vref of 128 plus 17 knots (a total of 145 knots), according to the NTSB.
http://www.ainalerts.com/ainalerts/alerts/120704.html
Is there any sense in ground-air sensing interlocks that won't produce the goods under certain conditions? But then again, were they too hot to get the required MLG oleo compression (see in red above).
Chicken and egg. To get the reverse and the spoilers to auto-deploy you need the weight on the wheels (and off the wing). What gets the weight off the wing? Why the spoilers of course......
What's the betting there's no manual override for the GIV spoilers - in order to stop inadvertent inflight spoiler deployment before touchdown (aka pilot-proofing).
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Well I can tell you that the weather was basically really sh!ty. There was moderate to heavy rain and wind gusting up to 40+ knots. I know, I was there at KTEB attending Flight Safety.
The local media had a lot to report which except for one thing I will not repeat. What I will repeat that I heard on TV is the following:
A local TV reporter claimed that a small airplane was flipped upside-down because of the wind, and that there were 2 pilots and 7 passengers onboard. He pronounced Teterboro as “Tatty beau” , so right there you knew not to trust anything else that was reported.
Of course we were scratching our heads trying to figure out what type of “small airplane” carried 2 pilots and 7 passengers that the wind could flip upside-down. Then one of the Flight Safety Instructors (he is an retired American Airline Captain with 30,000+ hours) who was at the airport and saw the airplane when it touched down called Flight Safety and told us that it was a G-IV.
So much for the media.
The local media had a lot to report which except for one thing I will not repeat. What I will repeat that I heard on TV is the following:
A local TV reporter claimed that a small airplane was flipped upside-down because of the wind, and that there were 2 pilots and 7 passengers onboard. He pronounced Teterboro as “Tatty beau” , so right there you knew not to trust anything else that was reported.
Of course we were scratching our heads trying to figure out what type of “small airplane” carried 2 pilots and 7 passengers that the wind could flip upside-down. Then one of the Flight Safety Instructors (he is an retired American Airline Captain with 30,000+ hours) who was at the airport and saw the airplane when it touched down called Flight Safety and told us that it was a G-IV.
So much for the media.
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Photos of site
I am surprised that there have been no links to any photographs, of the actual aircraft in situ.
I have seen the hangar shots, and from the damage seen, and the reported location of the crash, everyone was very very lucky.
is there a link out ther to photgraphs of the site.
I was scheduled to be in TEB then next day, but plans changed, in HPN instead.
Bumz
I have seen the hangar shots, and from the damage seen, and the reported location of the crash, everyone was very very lucky.
is there a link out ther to photgraphs of the site.
I was scheduled to be in TEB then next day, but plans changed, in HPN instead.
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Well I can tell you that the weather was basically really sh!ty. There was moderate to heavy rain and wind gusting up to 40+ knots. I know, I was there at KTEB attending Flight Safety.
Not to imply it was a piece of cake though.
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We arrived(literally!) in EWR at about 11:30 that morning in a G550. On the ILS we paralleled a pretty heavy line of weather that had just moved east.
At about 50 feet, we lost 10 kts(no pad inserted...) and almost settled into the threshold area. I wasn't flying and the guy who was kept the autothrottles on. They didn't react at all when we got the drop so it was a little more dramatic than it should have been, IMO.
It was really gusty but not something we all haven't seen before. The spoilers won't deploy if the "WOW" system doesn't detect weight-on-wheels but nothing keeps the FO from pulling the speedbrake and getting partial spoilers.
Could have been a failure of the WOW system. I can't imagine that speed preventing wheel spinup or some strut compression. Bad timing if it was a failure.TC
At about 50 feet, we lost 10 kts(no pad inserted...) and almost settled into the threshold area. I wasn't flying and the guy who was kept the autothrottles on. They didn't react at all when we got the drop so it was a little more dramatic than it should have been, IMO.
It was really gusty but not something we all haven't seen before. The spoilers won't deploy if the "WOW" system doesn't detect weight-on-wheels but nothing keeps the FO from pulling the speedbrake and getting partial spoilers.
Could have been a failure of the WOW system. I can't imagine that speed preventing wheel spinup or some strut compression. Bad timing if it was a failure.TC
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