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They appeared to have got completely lost when it came to CTAF procedures also, centre attempted conveying information but the concept appeared lost on them.
https://www.atsb.gov.au/publications...rt/ao-2024-035
https://www.atsb.gov.au/publications...rt/ao-2024-035
Last edited by nomess; 21st Jun 2024 at 13:01.
They appeared to have got completely lost when it came to CTAF procedures also, centre attempted conveying information but the concept appeared lost on them.
https://www.atsb.gov.au/publications...rt/ao-2024-035
https://www.atsb.gov.au/publications...rt/ao-2024-035
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I’m sure they will be unfamiliar with the concept of a nation’s Capital aerodome, not having 24 hour ATC, and all that goes with that.
Our airspace and “services” are truely second class.
That said, they should know how to read a Jeppesen chart.
Our airspace and “services” are truely second class.
That said, they should know how to read a Jeppesen chart.
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FR24 track shows they descended to 4500’ in the hold at MOMBI with a minimum altitude of 5600’ 😨
Highest spot height below them was 3947’ 😨
Highest spot height below them was 3947’ 😨
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Might explain why the next two flights were cancelled.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-06-...-air/103977862
Although, the potential for CFIT is somewhat more than “teething troubles”. 😬
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-06-...-air/103977862
Although, the potential for CFIT is somewhat more than “teething troubles”. 😬
Just listened to the recording
(it's actually 13th June, 19:30-20:00 and starts around 13:20 mark)
First 7 minutes is them on the Avbeg 5A, continually asking for descent below 10,000 (well prior to Lanyo - an at or above 10k step due to the Deep Space observatory)
It then sounds like they don't descent below MSA, and spend multiple minutes trying to get a clearance to fly the ILS approach - the female ATC keeps telling them it's not required and there's no IFR traffic (it appears that term really confuses them). There's a lot of confusion and poor radio txs, with both parties not understanding the other.
After turning back north on the STAR, it then appears that they must have "missed" the slope, so request an orbit (again, told they are OCTA and no clearance needed - but I'm assuming to protect them, ATC requests the orbit to be right hand did to avoid that same Restricted area).
It's this hold that must have taken them below MSA while outbound.
Finally, tower opens just prior to 6am, but they can't raise BTK6015 for quite a few attempts - they are on short final but appear to be on area frequency. They finally get a nudge from that controller and go to tower who immediately clears them to land.
So appears zero CTAF calls were made (nor was it monitored)
https://www.flightaware.com/live/fli...420Z/WADD/YSCB
(it's actually 13th June, 19:30-20:00 and starts around 13:20 mark)
First 7 minutes is them on the Avbeg 5A, continually asking for descent below 10,000 (well prior to Lanyo - an at or above 10k step due to the Deep Space observatory)
It then sounds like they don't descent below MSA, and spend multiple minutes trying to get a clearance to fly the ILS approach - the female ATC keeps telling them it's not required and there's no IFR traffic (it appears that term really confuses them). There's a lot of confusion and poor radio txs, with both parties not understanding the other.
After turning back north on the STAR, it then appears that they must have "missed" the slope, so request an orbit (again, told they are OCTA and no clearance needed - but I'm assuming to protect them, ATC requests the orbit to be right hand did to avoid that same Restricted area).
It's this hold that must have taken them below MSA while outbound.
Finally, tower opens just prior to 6am, but they can't raise BTK6015 for quite a few attempts - they are on short final but appear to be on area frequency. They finally get a nudge from that controller and go to tower who immediately clears them to land.
So appears zero CTAF calls were made (nor was it monitored)
https://www.flightaware.com/live/fli...420Z/WADD/YSCB
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And not long ago, both Batik Air pilots fell asleep on their way to Jakarta. This wasn't a back of the clock flight; it was a morning flight departing at 0800 LT.
https://avherald.com/h?article=515e310c
Says a lot about their safety culture.
https://avherald.com/h?article=515e310c
Says a lot about their safety culture.
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I’m sure they will be unfamiliar with the concept of a nation’s Capital aerodome, not having 24 hour ATC, and all that goes with that.Our airspace and “services” are truely second class.That said, they should know how to read a Jeppesen chart.
What do you expect from a Lion Group airline? Batik Air is Lion Air's full service airline.
I'm sure Batik would have been fine if Canberra had ATC in operation. Same as Qantas would have been 20 years ago!
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It might be smart if they scheduled their operation more appropriately. You know, when the ATC is open if CTAF is giving them difficulties. Who decided on the schedule, the flight operations department or the beancounters?
Or route brief/train better. That might help. Especially if it is a new service that has some specific considerations to cover. Did they rush this service in and miss a comprehensive briefing package?
Or route brief/train better. That might help. Especially if it is a new service that has some specific considerations to cover. Did they rush this service in and miss a comprehensive briefing package?
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