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Old 25th May 2024, 10:52
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Bugger me - so now I know there's no spelling test in the ATPL exams.
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Old 25th May 2024, 11:04
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Originally Posted by A320 Flyer
not quite
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Old 25th May 2024, 11:19
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Originally Posted by scrotometer
hearing wispers that now AJ and his divide and conquer philosophy is gone the master plan will be eventually to make the 6 AOCs into 3, JQ, QAL and QLink. makes sense.
Not surprised some brainiac has thought of it... however I highly doubt RY and the operationally retarded cabal that runs the place would have the faintest idea how complicated that would be.

If they want to solve the pilot problem, create a merged list, similar to the Australian Airlines / QF merger.

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Old 25th May 2024, 12:15
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Originally Posted by Jack D. Ripper
Not surprised some brainiac has thought of it... however I highly doubt RY and the operationally retarded cabal that runs the place would have the faintest idea how complicated that would be.
RY making the most noise to help one silo but doesn’t understand the repercussions for all the others. I’d put money on it ending in tears / making the issue worse rather than better.
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Old 25th May 2024, 22:12
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Originally Posted by josephfeatherweight
Bugger me - so now I know there's no spelling test in the ATPL exams.
he’s not a pilot. 🙄😂
not sure why he likes posting on a professional pilot network.
I suspect he’s bored and angry
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Old 25th May 2024, 22:24
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Anyway, back to the rumours:
Originally Posted by scrotometer
hearing wispers that now AJ and his divide and conquer philosophy is gone the master plan will be eventually to make the 6 AOCs into 3, JQ, QAL and QLink. makes sense.
Makes a lot of sense, I wonder if it’s too far down the path.
When this has been brought up before, or merging seniority lists/ghost numbers, the subs are always told it’s all too complex and where would it end and they would end up in court about who goes where and gets what benefit. Is there a best way to do it?
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Old 26th May 2024, 00:01
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Originally Posted by Callsign Please
Anyway, back to the rumours:


Makes a lot of sense, I wonder if it’s too far down the path.
When this has been brought up before, or merging seniority lists/ghost numbers, the subs are always told it’s all too complex and where would it end and they would end up in court about who goes where and gets what benefit. Is there a best way to do it?
It shouldn’t be an issue. Subsidiary crews all get a number from the bottom down. Relative seniority between subsidiaries based upon DOJ
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Old 26th May 2024, 00:48
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There will always be a self interest to have DOJ as the ultimate deciding factor. However if mainline is the list, then you all join on the bottom in rank. With some sort of command protection on your exisiting fleet. If you bid off that fleet, then the date you joined the mainline list is what your seniority number will buy you.

It’s the only fair way of doing it. If your original start date in the group becomes your seniority date, it just penalises the hundreds of pilots ahead of you who gave up their group date to join the bottom.

You’ll also have to shave.
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Old 26th May 2024, 02:02
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Originally Posted by Big Silver Spoon
There will always be a self interest to have DOJ as the ultimate deciding factor. However if mainline is the list, then you all join on the bottom in rank. With some sort of command protection on your exisiting fleet. If you bid off that fleet, then the date you joined the mainline list is what your seniority number will buy you.

It’s the only fair way of doing it. If your original start date in the group becomes your seniority date, it just penalises the hundreds of pilots ahead of you who gave up their group date to join the bottom.

You’ll also have to shave.
Seems solid. Also any new joiner after the seniority is integrated simply gets a ‘global’ or ‘group’ seniority number regardless of what business group they join that then determines their movement for the rest of their time in the group, similar to how virgin did it.
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Old 26th May 2024, 02:07
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Well , that was easy.

I gather all we need to do now is inform all the other duplicated areas that there are strategic imperatives to be met.
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Old 26th May 2024, 02:10
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However, regarding the Alliance E190 aircraft, it should be noted that the pilots operating these flights are not direct employees of the Group. Rather, they are engaged as subcontractors.
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Old 26th May 2024, 10:46
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It’s a fair point mods, pretty obvious that some people try to get these threads shut down. There is probably another way to manage it.
Anyway , back on topic, How many subsidiary’s are there now anyway?
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Old 26th May 2024, 10:58
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They aren’t pilots. It’s so obvious. No pilot argues for lesser conditions and spreads fear/misinformation.
get rid of the clowns.
kind of funny they’re SO desperate now.
Must be time for some to start a new account and keep trolling.
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Old 26th May 2024, 11:01
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Given we are a small fish in the aviation pond, have any bigger fish merged any multi subsidiary AOCs? Granted-CASA can be a different beast.

Are there any learnings we can make/any reason to go against the tide so to speak?
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