Qantas Recruitment
so an opportunity to screw over only counts if it’s a success does it?
let’s see what happens with SH.
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To be replaced by externals coming from where...150+ Cadets?
Once QF Mainline figures this out, recruitment from internals will grind to a slow halt in favour of externals so as not to jeopardise the entire machine. Easier to convince someone from REX or VA to join Mainline, than doing same to join any of the QantasLink or Jetstar group companies.
Once QF Mainline figures this out, recruitment from internals will grind to a slow halt in favour of externals so as not to jeopardise the entire machine. Easier to convince someone from REX or VA to join Mainline, than doing same to join any of the QantasLink or Jetstar group companies.
And the successful vote was put up to pass by wrapping in up in a vote with large back pay. What you people don’t realise is you have given up your ability to control your lives and your careers . Do you see the North Americans doing something as stupid, of course not they want stability and control which you no longer have. Put it back up again and il bet you it wouldn’t pass.
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At this stage they’re still interviewing people who applied the last time applications were open. There are enough on the hold file currently to fill courses well into next year. So unlikely there will be a reopening for new applications until at least the end of this year.
Let's not forget when the last LH EBA came up for negotiation, er, I mean the ultimatum came up, the QF pilots were faced with the following:
Sign it or lose the A350 sunrise flying.
Mass exodus at the time of CX pilots with plenty of experience on airbus. This played on a lot of people's minds when the former LH CEO La Spina made the threats that they'll simply create another entity to do the sunrise flying.
I have no idea of guessing how the vote would have went, but before covid became a thing on the news, most talk I was hearing was to vote it down and take the chance of them creating an international QantasLink.
Early 2020 Covid hits the news. Very quickly everyone is worried as countries begin to close borders and everyone over the age of 30 has flash backs to the GFC, 9/11 etc. Covid put the nail in the coffin. Nobody was risking a no-vote when the industry was very quickly turning in favour of management.
Look how easily the company is giving away traditional QF routes to QLink subsidiaries domestically. Legally there's nothing the pilot group or the unions can do at the moment with them taking traditional 737 routes and handing them to QLink at half the wage. There is zero legal roadblocks to them creating a new entity for Project Sunrise as East Coast to LHR/NYC has never been done by mainline so they could easily argue it never was our flying to keep.
Sign it or lose the A350 sunrise flying.
Mass exodus at the time of CX pilots with plenty of experience on airbus. This played on a lot of people's minds when the former LH CEO La Spina made the threats that they'll simply create another entity to do the sunrise flying.
I have no idea of guessing how the vote would have went, but before covid became a thing on the news, most talk I was hearing was to vote it down and take the chance of them creating an international QantasLink.
Early 2020 Covid hits the news. Very quickly everyone is worried as countries begin to close borders and everyone over the age of 30 has flash backs to the GFC, 9/11 etc. Covid put the nail in the coffin. Nobody was risking a no-vote when the industry was very quickly turning in favour of management.
Look how easily the company is giving away traditional QF routes to QLink subsidiaries domestically. Legally there's nothing the pilot group or the unions can do at the moment with them taking traditional 737 routes and handing them to QLink at half the wage. There is zero legal roadblocks to them creating a new entity for Project Sunrise as East Coast to LHR/NYC has never been done by mainline so they could easily argue it never was our flying to keep.
Let's not forget when the last LH EBA came up for negotiation, er, I mean the ultimatum came up, the QF pilots were faced with the following:
Sign it or lose the A350 sunrise flying.
Mass exodus at the time of CX pilots with plenty of experience on airbus. This played on a lot of people's minds when the former LH CEO La Spina made the threats that they'll simply create another entity to do the sunrise flying.
I have no idea of guessing how the vote would have went, but before covid became a thing on the news, most talk I was hearing was to vote it down and take the chance of them creating an international QantasLink.
Early 2020 Covid hits the news. Very quickly everyone is worried as countries begin to close borders and everyone over the age of 30 has flash backs to the GFC, 9/11 etc. Covid put the nail in the coffin. Nobody was risking a no-vote when the industry was very quickly turning in favour of management.
Look how easily the company is giving away traditional QF routes to QLink subsidiaries domestically. Legally there's nothing the pilot group or the unions can do at the moment with them taking traditional 737 routes and handing them to QLink at half the wage. There is zero legal roadblocks to them creating a new entity for Project Sunrise as East Coast to LHR/NYC has never been done by mainline so they could easily argue it never was our flying to keep.
Sign it or lose the A350 sunrise flying.
Mass exodus at the time of CX pilots with plenty of experience on airbus. This played on a lot of people's minds when the former LH CEO La Spina made the threats that they'll simply create another entity to do the sunrise flying.
I have no idea of guessing how the vote would have went, but before covid became a thing on the news, most talk I was hearing was to vote it down and take the chance of them creating an international QantasLink.
Early 2020 Covid hits the news. Very quickly everyone is worried as countries begin to close borders and everyone over the age of 30 has flash backs to the GFC, 9/11 etc. Covid put the nail in the coffin. Nobody was risking a no-vote when the industry was very quickly turning in favour of management.
Look how easily the company is giving away traditional QF routes to QLink subsidiaries domestically. Legally there's nothing the pilot group or the unions can do at the moment with them taking traditional 737 routes and handing them to QLink at half the wage. There is zero legal roadblocks to them creating a new entity for Project Sunrise as East Coast to LHR/NYC has never been done by mainline so they could easily argue it never was our flying to keep.
Anything is possible nowdays. Company's choice at their sole discretion. Vast lack of solid unity and all important scope clauses have voided the union movement of any significant clout. Next development will be new hires employed on individual contracts with renumeration based on experience. This will in time further continue to divide and conquer the pilot group. Many factors have led to this unfortunate outcome,however the self importance and blatant greed of many senior aircrew has definitely worked in favour of the company.
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The horse has bolted, the industrial advantage was lost years ago with the formation of a ‘Group’ where different entities are played off against each other. The company do have the ability to move flying to other entities and the pilots know that any one group would happily throw another group to the wolves if it means bigger or more exciting aircraft for them. It sucks but it is just the way it is.
To reiterate the A350 will be operated under the LH EA, and the 321X under the SH EA in mainline, and work has already started on this management wise.
The horse has bolted, the industrial advantage was lost years ago with the formation of a ‘Group’ where different entities are played off against each other. The company do have the ability to move flying to other entities and the pilots know that any one group would happily throw another group to the wolves if it means bigger or more exciting aircraft for them. It sucks but it is just the way it is.
Sunrise hasn’t been done yet. There’s nothing stopping them from giving it to another entity, new or existing.
This. There is a reason the airline is recruiting like crazy, and it's not because they like paying extra money to pilots. It is that simple, people need to stop jumping at shadows.
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Yes. I’m just saying that look how blurred the lines are in domestic with the subsids taking 737 routes and zero chance of pilots arguing that it’s an illegal transfer of business.
Sunrise hasn’t been done yet. There’s nothing stopping them from giving it to another entity, new or existing.
Sunrise hasn’t been done yet. There’s nothing stopping them from giving it to another entity, new or existing.
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For obvious reasons employers are vehemently against this. Unfortunately for them it’s now law. For the time being it seems to be more targeted at low wage workers in unskilled jobs. It may come into play for pilots in future years, or companies may stop the outsourcing of labour and start to reverse course to prevent industry wide PIA which may happen under the new legislation.
Interesting article on multiple employer bargaining here:
The world is shifting to multi-employer bargaining. Will Australia fail to follow? - ABC News