wingers

he is already doing it...why do you think he was mentioning how QF management are demanding...he will form part of their WEDGE...straight between any negotiations....it is so obvious that it is funny...by the way what is JH track record with EBA's, are there any particular instances that are similar to todays environment...mmmm let me see...or will i wait for ROM to clarify....please outline JH previous EBA form

wingers

Smart negotiators use leverage...i cannot see any leverage...in fact the battle is lost ..... this simple 380 negotiation will result in victory, but to who???.....the EBA will be a non event...and later there will be many questions asked.......and it will be another non event

domo

Dave Cox said at the roadshow the eba was ready to sign. Can we believe him?.

Romulus

Well I'll pay a success fee if there's any new business that comes as a result o fit.....

Romulus

Always looking for A320 guys.

Yet to be finalised with the customer, personally I like the idea of more permanent line stations with teh guys able to look after everything they need to and then we set the business development people to winning enough work to keep them busy,

Brissy isn't on the list, Sydney, well there's a few other potential customers there now aren't there....

Thanks, come on board some time soon.

Romulus

oooh I sense conspiracy theory coming on...

...straight to paranoia...

For what it's worth QE mgt are fighting like hell to keep the work in house. If it was a pure logic argument we'd have a much stronger position right about now.


Pretty good all in all.

You think there's a skills shortgae in aviation - it's nothing compared to what we face in our main industries. So you can bet we aim to keep our people happy and encourage retention.

Equally we don't let the d*ckhead minority run the joint so if your question pertains to do we expect performance for what we deliver then the answer is yes.

Please bear in mind it would be much easier to give you a direct answer if you asked a direct question. But so often that isn't the hallmark of the coward, innuendo is more their style.

wingers

Are there any instances where JH has used tere power to influence EBA negotiations, with the result being more business to them....simple question yes or no...

Romulus

We have in no way attempted to influence Qantas EBA negotiations.

Qantas management may well try and emulate what we are doing, that's a different story however.

wingers

Rom...can you answer the question, i never mentioned the Qantas EBA.... ..............it is a simple question Yes or No.........

mavrik1

I'd love to here some of JHAS's new business MISSION STATEMENTS. Would you enlighten us all roms?

Romulus

Well what is the question? Have we ever attempted to influence EBA's at all under any circumstances? Of course we have - our own. I figured that would be pretty obvious so I had to try and determine what you were asking so I made it very clear I answered in the context of Qantas.

So with another slight qualification: Have we ever attempted to influence anyone else's (i.e. non John Holland) EBA negotiations? No we have not.

Romulus

Will post Monday when back on site and will verify it's the latest.

For what it's worth I hate mission statements as a complete wank.

northsteyne

Good point,
The last time i sore M working was in modules 20 years ago, useless then.
M has had no experiance in base,line yet he is in charge.
I think all lame's should have a murray moment and just realize the guy is a f&&k w&t.
Just look at all the promotions in the last few years,
All you need now is a good response to 10 questions, none of which are technical,but as management say all LAME'S are equal,no need to know if you can do anything with your hands or your mind
All the good guys are leaving and will ed up with JETSTAR or JOHN HOLLAND and you are mistaken if you think QF will not give away work.

northsteyne

I guess you have applied for line maint before and failed,
go f&&k yourself

Redstone

What gives?

QF22

Will try to kickstart this thread.
Have just heard JHAS require a 5year/$100,000 bond for A380.
Me thinks a bit excessive.
By all accounts they think the A380 contract is nearly in the bag!

Romulus

In the words of our (probable) next PM - me too!

Cheeky blighters "they" are not to inform me of the fact!

QF22

Welcome back, I have missed your input.
So you agree 5yrs/$100K is a bit excessive? I hope you can convince those at JHAS to reduce to 3 years max?
When I said they b4, I meant JHAS think the A380 contract is nearly there's.

Romulus

The $100K represents less than the cost of the training and everything associated with it. Equally as far as I know we're bonding to a percentage of that, not the full amount.

The big problem with bonds in this situation is not that the LAMEs will want to leave, rather someone like Emirates will come along and make some offer to move to Dubai. The problem here isn't the cost of training, it's the loss of capability in the event EK or similar pinch too many people given teh scarcity of A380 training slots.

As for in the bag - nope. we're pushing hard to make a good offering and we have a good chance. I'd still rate us at 40% at best however. That is much better than the 5% we gave ourselves at the start.

QF22

I can see your point, although EK would have to pay much better than they are now to get me to the sandpit.
I hope you can also see my point? 5 years is a long time for someone to commit to an employer who they have never worked for, and under an AWA that they are a bit wary and unsure about.
Goodluck with the 380 contract, it's good to have a new player on the OZ aviation scene, and I hope QF is not just playing games with you.