TK at Bucharest..."Wrong Side" Line Up!!

[JanetFlight]

Wow...this is an hell of a weird incident...!!!

https://avherald.com/h?article=518e9276&opt=0

[Lonewolf_50]

Since they reported problems with the nose gear
The aircraft remained on the ground in Istanbul for 8 days before returning to service....I'd love to hear the crew debrief on their takeoff roll and what handling challenges they encountered.

Question regarding the damaged runway lights. Will THY have to pay the bill for repairs?

[Nantucket Sleighride]

Wow...this is an hell of a weird incident...!!!

https://avherald.com/h?article=518e9276&opt=0


Shades of the Vincent Kompany private jet at NWI a few years back
AAIB (https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/media/57399585ed915d1530000008/Cessna_525A_Citationjet_CJ2_G-TBEA_06-16.pdf)

[Grummaniser]

Also very similar to the accident (https://www.gov.uk/aaib-reports/aaib-investigation-to-gulfstream-iii-g-1159a-n103cd) at Biggin in 2014

[10 DME ARC]

Or the GMA CL600 at DXB!

[FullWings]

It seems like an odd accident but given the variation in runway lighting schemes at different airports, I think misidentification of the CL happens more often than you might think but is caught/trapped almost all the time.

I will admit to moments of doubt when lining up on odd occasions, especially in poor vis with parallel runways and taxiways to cross to get to the active but that triggers a thorough check before we go...

[Uplinker]

So, presumably this was at night ? And the crew lined up on the right hand edge lights, thinking they were the centreline lights ?

Lucky that the right mains were not on the grass !

Note to self to include the runway lighting, i.e. presence or not of edge and centreline lights in the taxi-out briefing.

[punkalouver]

It happens sometimes. For prevention:

Every time you line up on a runway at night, make it a habit - every time - to specifically note in your mind if the runway has two rows of lights or three rows of lights. If it is two, then there are no centerline lights operating and maneuver yourself to be in between the two rows(checking centerline markings for confirmation is a good idea). If you see three rows of lights(all or mostly all should be white lights), line up on the center row. This takes about a second to recognize what applies for the runway you are taxiing onto and therefore, can be done even when you have a lot of other stuff going on(or you could wait until distractions are gone). Works well.

This is also a perfect time(and very important) to make sure they are white lights and not blue lights(possibly with green centerline). Several jets have taken off on taxiways by accident.

Bottom line, make a specific check of colour of the lights and the number of rows of lights when lining up on the runway.

[krismiler]

Etihad did the same thing a few years ago.

https://www.pprune.org/rumours-news/475734-etihad-a330-straddles-runway-edge-lights-low-vis-takeoff-auh.html

[nomess]

This has been an issue at Perth recently also. The ATSB has two open investigations, one Virgin 737 and another being a Conquest. Oopsy.

[Locked door]

If there’s an ILS, tune and identify it. Don’t start the roll unless the localiser is centred. This also protects against using the wrong parallel runway which has also been done before.

[magyar_flyer]

If there’s an ILS, tune and identify it. Don’t start the roll unless the localiser is centred. This also protects against using the wrong parallel runway which has also been done before.
Not IFR rated so please be indulgent but would the deviation be observable at the end of a 7000ft runway?

[Locked door]

Yes!!!!!

Thats how we autoland (which pilots monitor by amongst other things watching the localiser display). The localiser will only be centered if your nose wheel is on the centerline. It’ll pretty much show full scale deflection at the runway edge at the touchdown end and will be even more accurate at the stop end as that’s where the transmitter is.

The pedants here will say it will only be centered when the receiver aerial is on the centreline but nose wheel is close enough.