2023 Aer Lingus Direct Entry Pilot [Archive]

Citationcj2

23rd Oct 2023, 12:19

Any info about take home for type rated experienced A320 FOs? And time to move to A330 of experienced too?
good luck!

Its horrendous. You’ll be getting around 3 -3.5€K max per month.
edit: apologies, TR rated are around 4-4.3€K per month. The rest of my comments still apply
5-3 roster with 5-2 flex.
Most direct entries that joined are already leaving for better conditions. Its not a legacy company.
If you worked somewhere else before, you’ll be in for a big shock. You are nothing but a flap operator

Redmo

23rd Oct 2023, 14:23

Its horrendous. You’ll be getting around 3 -3.5€K max per month.
edit: apologies, TR rated are around 4-4.3€K per month. The rest of my comments still apply
5-3 roster with 5-2 flex.
Most direct entries that joined are already leaving for better conditions. Its not a legacy company.
If you worked somewhere else before, you’ll be in for a big shock. You are nothing but a flap operator

What do you mean when you say flap operator? Your figures for the year one salary are accurate but the salary is on a yearly scale that increases. You're also not mentioning the 22% company pension contribution which is absolutely huge. Pay after a few years in the company is very good

Consol

25th Oct 2023, 15:39

Its horrendous. You’ll be getting around 3 -3.5€K max per month.
edit: apologies, TR rated are around 4-4.3€K per month. The rest of my comments still apply
5-3 roster with 5-2 flex.
Most direct entries that joined are already leaving for better conditions. Its not a legacy company.
If you worked somewhere else before, you’ll be in for a big shock. You are nothing but a flap operator

Your posting the same nonsense on the 2022 thread so I'll repeat what I posted there.

Currently 7 years to left seat but things change.
Friendly flight deck environment, normally leg on leg off.
Hailing the Capt? It's Ireland not Korea.
Flap operator? Plenty of good training and other promotion ops.
Pension is to 60 although a lot less € than it was.
A small number of DEs have left.
Salary is on the low side for an expensive country but does climb quite well after five years.

It must be really fun sharing a cockpit with you if you ever been in one.

A320LGW

29th Oct 2023, 11:38

Year 1 is about €59k. You'll be on about 10% less than anyone in pre Covid, due to a new payscale since. Time to 330 could be 2-4 years, time to command 6-8 I'd say.

Morale overall pretty low since Covid. Huge profits but we're seeing none of that. There is also a Short Haul command scale and it seems the company want to develop that further.
What about IALPA? I thought they took no nonsense?

flylevel390

30th Oct 2023, 15:59

Anyone got invited for the assessment in November?

tiredofwalking

31st Oct 2023, 14:37

didn't have any feedback yet. I don't know if they come back to you if you're unsuccessful at the online part though

hypatia

31st Oct 2023, 21:46

I don't have any feedback either

Michael249

1st Nov 2023, 20:32

Still waiting on response from online segment too.

spiffolo

2nd Nov 2023, 13:04

posting to keep myself updated. same here, did the online test and no info yet

shamrocky

2nd Nov 2023, 16:32

Round one of invites and PFOs go out tomorrow I'm told.

clarkeysntfc

3rd Nov 2023, 19:46

Nothing seen here

Volvo777

6th Nov 2023, 14:05

Has anyone heard anything yet?

Still nothing, any emails been received?

tiredofwalking

6th Nov 2023, 15:50

Yes, just got my pfo letter 🤷. Good luck for the others ;-)

Redmo

6th Nov 2023, 15:56

Just got my invite to the assessment day, seems like a lot are going out today

Volvo777

6th Nov 2023, 15:57

Just after getting it

flylevel390

7th Nov 2023, 15:25

PFO here too...

alphafox14

9th Nov 2023, 17:41

Any news about how the selection process go? Does anyone know some information about the simulator too?
Thanks ;)

ArmApp

12th Nov 2023, 14:51

https://www.pilotjobsnetwork.com/jobs/Aer_Lingus_(ROI_Contract)

Some pilot inside can confirm if current situation, outlook and salaries are correct ?

Will pre COVID conditions regained soon?

Flyingtaxidriver

12th Nov 2023, 20:03

Is time to command the same for everyone, as in still seniority based. Or is their any credit for experience

okmijn

13th Nov 2023, 14:58

Is time to command the same for everyone, as in still seniority based. Or is their any credit for experience

Purely seniority based. Previous experience is irrelevant.

Actually, to expand - all promotions and fleet changes are in seniority but you can find yourself getting LHS 320 or RHS 330 ‘sooner’ than expected if not everyone more senior than you wants that particular spot. The new short-haul skipper pay scale doesn’t interest everyone so people have been staying RHS 330 longer which has seen more and more junior RHS 320 people getting a shot a command earlier than expected. Similarly, FOs senior enough for part-time are slow to move fleets/go for command as they’ll then lose part-time. All this pushes the seniority cut-off for command lower.

Redmo

13th Nov 2023, 16:25

Purely seniority based. Previous experience is irrelevant.

Actually, to expand - all promotions and fleet changes are in seniority but you can find yourself getting LHS 320 or RHS 330 ‘sooner’ than expected if not everyone more senior than you wants that particular spot. The new short-haul skipper pay scale doesn’t interest everyone so people have been staying RHS 330 longer which has seen more and more junior RHS 320 people getting a shot a command earlier than expected. Similarly, FOs senior enough for part-time are slow to move fleets/go for command as they’ll then lose part-time. All this pushes the seniority cut-off for command lower.
How much worse is the new short haul captains scale? I'd heard about the 9% post covid cut but don't know anything about the new scale

okmijn

13th Nov 2023, 17:17

How much worse is the new short haul captains scale? I'd heard about the 9% post covid cut but don't know anything about the new scale

The new scale isn’t a pay cut. It’s a pay limit. The pay is identical to the ‘ordinary’ scale all the way to year 19 at which point, annual increments stop. The reality being, by year 19, the vast majority of people will have had the opportunity to bid out of that scale onto a long haul fleet and the ordinary scale. This assumes continued growth and expansion, of course. Being a ‘short-haul’ captain places latitudinal and longitudinal restrictions on the duties you can be assigned and has, thus far, only served to reduce the flexibility of the pilot body to the airline.

ArmApp

29th Nov 2023, 23:50

Any information about the assessments these days in Dublin please?
good luck!!

FlyingGinger

5th Dec 2023, 06:48

Hi, anyone know if EI contact with results of assessment as they go, or once all assessments/sims are completed?

Redmo

6th Dec 2023, 15:42

Hi, anyone know if EI contact with results of assessment as they go, or once all assessments/sims are completed?

I got a call for the sim where they told me I had passed the assesment so.far

FlyingGinger

6th Dec 2023, 18:17

I got a call for the sim where they told me I had passed the assesment so.far
W Well done on getting that far. I was more referring to job offer calls, any idea when they plan to make a decision

Redmo

15th Jan 2024, 14:16

Has anyone who did the sim check had news? I got an email just before Christmas saying answers should go out mid to late January

FlyingGinger

16th Jan 2024, 13:16

I've heard a few calls with offers were made in mid December and a number of rejection emails sent out. The old saying 'no news is good news' applies. Last year my colleague got the call mid February. Best of luck

MichaelOLearyGenius

17th Jan 2024, 15:25

This page is for cadets applying for first job, not for DEC recruitment

A320LGW

17th Jan 2024, 19:10

This page is for cadets applying for first job, not for DEC recruitment
The thread is titled direct entry??? There is a separate thread for cadets

shamrocky

20th Mar 2024, 19:34

Open again!!

ArmApp

22nd Mar 2024, 11:01

Hope Nobox and AL HR teams don’t invite to Dublin 30 pilots for 4/5 positions available per day…
why?, because it’s money to spend and ticket, hotel, food, transport),if you ask for free days at your actual airline they would realize it’s to attend to a pilot selection event, and finally please if someone of you guys attend be gentle and try not to monopolize the group exercise please.
Also they told me there was “special treatment” for some of the guys/gals last year… understandable if they know someone inside but don’t look. So if I get the invitation I would have to think twice.

Anyway, good luck everybody in your dream to be part of a major !

tiredofwalking

1st Apr 2024, 16:59

anyone remember wich online test we have for the first part ?

A320LGW

1st Apr 2024, 23:46

Consol

2nd Apr 2024, 23:30

Total waste of time and effort for a process which has a final "review" stage that ultimately turns into a who you know contest.

Yes, you can pass every stage then be dumped at this review, because the reviewers know someone who's uncle has had a word, and the positions are finite.

They kicked off the last process by telling everyone how not corrupt the process is. That says a lot.
A320LGW, there may be a little bit of starchy organic matter on your shoulder. EI not perfect but tell me how many legacy airlines in Europe have a dozen plus nationalities in the pilot body? Bulk of intake is now DEP so the 'cadet as the ideal' notion is a lot less now. Sure, one or two senior Capt's progeny make it in but the vast majority of new pilots have earned their seats through hard work and previous airline flying. It's still a very worthwhile career in a very decent airline.

A lot of airline pilot life is about personal interaction, life skills and awareness of others and sometimes of how you are perceived. Perhaps you need to think about that.

A320LGW

3rd Apr 2024, 00:18

The pilots leaving the airline may beg to differ with you on how great it is.

My shoulders are clear thank you, along with my nose, which knows when it smells a rat.

One or two progeny make it in? You know, being an airline pilot entails being honest. I recommend you reflect on this crucial pilot quality.

asmith474

5th Apr 2024, 15:17

Hi guys I received an email for the online assesment. Does anyone know what to expect? Thanks

tiredofwalking

5th Apr 2024, 17:02

Does anyone knows how many pilot they want to recruit this session and how many applicants we are ?

ashliduck

10th Apr 2024, 06:15

Has anybody received an email for the third stage - interviews/assessment day as of yet? Or any idea when this might be

J_Durden

10th Apr 2024, 08:56

Hi guys I received an email for the online assesment. Does anyone know what to expect? Thanks

You can take a look at the AON test before you start. My online assessment was based on a wind challenge, multitasking, applied numeracy, an exercise of RBI, an English text and several questions about it and logical reasoning.

Caedens21

15th Apr 2024, 21:24

Has anyone heard any news about the next stage? 10 days on from online tests and no emails. Thanks

LewisMBDA

17th Apr 2024, 13:26

Has anyone heard any news about the next stage? 10 days on from online tests and no emails. Thanks
Nothing here :/

tiredofwalking

18th Apr 2024, 09:12

Has anyone heard any news about the next stage? 10 days on from online tests and no emails. Thanks
Same thing for me, no news from them. And on the website no way to have a status