FLY 4 UK ( Enter Air) Midlands base

[vpcaptain]

Anyone have any info on Fly4 who are looking for Captains and First Officers through AAP Aviation ( formerly OSM aviation )

[Jonnyknoxville]

Yeah ,UK licence holders need not apply

[vpcaptain]

Ok johnnyknoxville it does say must have right to live and work in UK on the advert mind

[.85 FL390]

Right to work in the UK and an EASA licence. Will limit potential candidates - the pay must be really great

[OutsideCAS]

Yeah ,UK licence holders need not apply

if based in the UK then it has to be available to apply for UK pilots surely?. I will copy link to the advert to the UK CAA, DFT and HMRC for their comments.

[.85 FL390]

if based in the UK then it has to be available to apply for UK pilots surely?. I will copy link to the advert to the UK CAA, DFT and HMRC for their comments.
The issue is after Brexit, existing ATPLs issued by the UK CAA, migrated to non-EASA UK CAA
ones, and many UK pilots ceased to have an EASA ATPL. That’s my understanding, anyway.

[FlyingStone]

An EU airline can base EU-reg aircraft in the UK, and Fly4 do require candidates to have unrestricred right to live/work in the UK.

No issues there.

[Jonnyknoxville]

if based in the UK then it has to be available to apply for UK pilots surely?. I will copy link to the advert to the UK CAA, DFT and HMRC for their comments.
Of course it’s available to UK pilots , but only if they have an EASA licence

[Brian Pern]

Of course it’s available to UK pilots , but only if they have an EASA licence
So Enter Air (Fly 4) who operate 737's want UK Pilots with EASA licenses..... there are one or two at Ryanair DAC.
I wonder if they will pay the same as their Enter Air colleagues, which is not much.

[.85 FL390]

So Enter Air (Fly 4) who operate 737's want UK Pilots with EASA licenses..... there are one or two at Ryanair DAC.
I wonder if they will pay the same as their Enter Air colleagues, which is not much.

Suspect their game plan is to claim there are not enough suitably qualified UK pilots (or others right to work in the UK) and seek permission for cheap contractors from elsewhere - i.e. Eastern Europe.

[vpcaptain]

Bet there are a 1000 suitably qualified pilots in UK at Ryanair DAC and Ryanair UK living in UK - money would need to be market rate

[vpcaptain]

Anyone had the HR Interview (online) and then the Sim check?

Hoping to get a flavour for questions asked HR and technical and a sim profile

thanks

money is comparable to other uk airlines but paid in Euros summer 5.2,5.3 roster winter TBA ( only flying summer for TUI, winter ACMI work)

[Brian Pern]

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money is comparable to other uk airlines but paid in Euros summer 5.2,5.3 roster winter TBA ( only flying summer for TUI, winter ACMI work)

With this in mind, I take it this is a contractor position with APP and not and therefore self employed? Which of course falls fowl of IR35.

More concerning is this: https://find-and-update.company-information.service.gov.uk/company/09462762

[vpcaptain]

Certainly concerning with an “Active proposal to strike off” from companies house for AAP, although as of 10 October strike off action was suspended so guess they are sorting things out.

[rudestuff]

Of course it’s available to UK pilots , but only if they have an EASA licence
Anyone who held a pre-Brexit UK licence can convert to EASA relatively easily if they need to. Many who got their UK licence post-brexit also got EASA at the same time.

[excrab]

Anyone who held a pre-Brexit UK licence can convert to EASA relatively easily if they need to. Many who got their UK licence post-brexit also got EASA at the same time.

Unfortunately not “anyone”. My UK ATPL was originally issued in 1995 and became a JAA then EASA and now UK part FCL licence as the UK rules changed over the years. As I never sat the EASA exams under the UK CAA I believe I would have to take all fourteen of the EASA exams, which would not be easy to do. If anyone can tell me that I’m wrong and how to convert my licence I’d be very grateful.

[JT8D-17]

Have any Irish residents applied yet? There seems to be an emphasis on this(due to lack of Visa requirement) but a 5/2-5/3 roster isn't going to entice many! Are they planning on some sort of commuting option or maybe they are expecting to operate TUI flights out of Ireland next Summer?

[SECsmachine]

My UK ATPL was originally issued in 1995 and became a JAA then EASA and now UK part FCL licence as the UK rules changed over the years. As I never sat the EASA exams under the UK CAA I believe I would have to take all fourteen of the EASA exams, which would not be easy to do. If anyone can tell me that I’m wrong and how to convert my licence I’d be very grateful.[/QUOTE]

I don't believe this is correct... as long as you apply for an EASA licence within 7 years of expiry of your last EASA type rating LPC, you shouldn't need to do any exams, as you previously held an EASA licence pre-Brexit. Have a look at the Malta CAA website - they are a helpful bunch and have done this for many UK pilots. You'll need a new EASA Class 1 medical, and an LST on type under an EASA TRE (on EASA-approved sim), but any of the larger ATOs (and some of the smaller ones) should be able to help here.