Short Tucano to Germany?

[DuckDodgers]

It appears that Qty 13 Short Tucano have ended up in Germany having been sold or leased to ESG / PTL by RSW out of Arizona for potential contract work, serials:

ZF137, ZF169, ZF170, ZF171, ZF172, ZF205, ZF239, ZF292, ZF294, ZF317, ZF319, ZF341, ZF491

[DaveReidUK]

Reportedly went to Germany in November.

[Evalu8ter]

Interesting development. Assume ‘Restricted’ or ‘Experimental’ category in the US so presumably being flown as State Aircraft in Germany rather than under EASA SPO conditions? Wonder who holds the TC? Spirit, Bombardier or somebody else? A glance at the RSW website suggests the some of their aircraft are much modified from the T.1 as delivered to the RAF, with a partial glass cockpit, pylons, Stores Management System and HMDS (presumably STC cleared….) all being offered, so it does raise some questions over certification and airworthiness assurance….

[Runaway Gun]

I wonder if a German company might be leasing them for an RAF Pilot Training contract?

[Coochycool]

Why does one of my wet dreams involve these things getting tooled up and sent East?

Fast(ish) and low, I wonder how survivable they would be?

[melmothtw]

Why does one of my wet dreams involve these things getting tooled up and sent East?

Fast(ish) and low, I wonder how survivable they would be?

Not very, given the Shorts Tucano T1 had no provision to carry weapons. The Super Tucano, however...

[SWBKCB]

The RSW website shows they've added external stores

https://www.rswaviation.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/09/Weapons-Brochure-spreads-08242016-1.pdf

[NutLoose]

Looks impressive

https://rswaviation.com/light-attack-isr/

[57mm]

"Forward firing gun" 😉

[PPRuNeUser0211]

I particularly like "most experienced Shorts Tucano operator in North America".....a war-winning capability!

[Wetstart Dryrun]

With Jericho trumpet......?

[N707ZS]

Where are the rest stashed?

[NutLoose]

Probably Shawbury but see the link, 22 went to the USA to the company mentioned.

https://www.skippyscage.com/aviation/az/deer-valley/index.php

[N707ZS]

Thanks, was wondering if they were still at Linton but probably not.

[Just This Once...]

Not sure a Tucano is the place to be in a MANPAD environment with no IR DAS. Yikes!

[NutLoose]

Thanks, was wondering if they were still at Linton but probably not.

Tap on the aircraft serial numbers to see pictures of them stored at Shawbury.

Demobbed - Out of Service British Military Aircraft (http://demobbed.org.uk/locations.php?location=2217)

[Video Mixdown]

Not sure a Tucano is the place to be in a MANPAD environment with no IR DAS. Yikes!
Quite. They'll end up flogging them to some third-world General who wants to dispose of the villagers whose huts are in the way of his new luxury mansion.

[HaveQuick2]

Quite. They'll end up flogging them to some third-world General who wants to dispose of the villagers whose huts are in the way of his new luxury mansion.

Niger?
https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/1100x799/zf241_ffc14e6bbda432e0d0b7b3d13877b0076bb6dde4.jpg

[Dan Winterland]

Not very, given the Shorts Tucano T1 had no provision to carry weapons.

The wing was reinforced for hard points, the export version was equipped to use them. The reason RAF Tucs had no weapons system was because they would have been counted as combat aircraft under the terms of the CFE (Conventional Forces Europe) treaty.

[BEagle]

Looks impressive

Really? Max level speed 269KIAS, Vne 300KIAS??

Not that impressive to me.....

[pr00ne]

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The wing was reinforced for hard points, the export version was equipped to use them. The reason RAF Tucs had no weapons system was because they would have been counted as combat aircraft under the terms of the CFE (Conventional Forces Europe) treaty.

Er, the reason that RAF Tucano’s had no weapon system was that they were basic trainers and had no weapon training role whatsoever!

[212man]

Er, the reason that RAF Tucano’s had no weapon system was that they were basic trainers and had no weapon training role whatsoever!
Having read Dan’s posts over many years, I’m guessing his corporate knowledge may be deeper. But I’m open to be proven wrong.

[EESDL]

.The brochure missed out......"and you could use the Loiter time to 'flip the hood on' and carry out a few coordinated turns.".......

[57mm]

Having trouble seeing the tactical utility of such a slow and vulnerable aircraft......

[pr00ne]

Having read Dan’s posts over many years, I’m guessing his corporate knowledge may be deeper. But I’m open to be proven wrong.

Still doesn’t alter the fact that the RAF Tucano had no weapon system as it was a basic trainer with no weapons training role whatsoever.

[chevvron]

Still doesn’t alter the fact that the RAF Tucano had no weapon system as it was a basic trainer with no weapons training role whatsoever.
Likewise its predecessor the JP; basic trainer with no weapons training role while in RAF service although it was so equipped for other armed forces.
To my mind it was a retrograde step switching from jets back to turboprops (after the Balliol and the Athena) anyway.
Let's face it, the choice of a completely re-designed Tucano over the PC9 and the Firecracker was political so that jobs could be created in Northern Ireland.
Chatting to Des Norman in about '86 when he was demonstrating his Firecracker to the Ozzies at Fairoaks one day, he told me it was also for the sake of a few knots indicated extra. By the way the Firecracker was operating quite comfortably on/off the 813m runway at Fairoaks; don't know what length the Tucano needed.
Nice bloke Des; we discussed the comparison between the design of the ventral airbrake on the Firecracker compared to the aircraft I was flying at the time (a type which you lot will never have heard of)