Standby to another freq or monitoring to another freq

[Pin Head]

Hi

hope well

Flown round the world and had standby to TWR 118.1 and also monitor TWR 118.1

Whats the difference?

I know both are ATC instigated but are cited as two different terms in CAP413 so must have two different meanings????

Thanks

pin

[Talkdownman]

Whichever, from the experience of a number of Heathrow controllers in the past, neither worked as intended, for crews still managed to make distracting transmissions, such as "Hello tower, XXXXX, we're with you, monitoring one one eight five, where would you like us..." etc. A number of us adopted the unofficial "Listen", for it seemed to get the point of it across, and was certainly much more effective that 'standby' or 'monitor'. It certainly made for a quieter life with fewer distractions whilst one organised the optimum and most expeditious departure order. It is unfortunate that "Listen" was never adopted. It is certainly one-word, one-meaning, understandable, unambiguous and, above all, effective.

[DIBO]

... adopted the unofficial "Listen", for it seemed to get the point of it across, and was certainly much more effective that 'standby' or 'monitor'
and it's exactly that verb what's in the clarifications of both CAP & EASA 'Standard Words and Phrases' :)
MONITOR - Listen out on (frequency).


Coming back to the Ops question, I can't help thinking, 'why keep things simple if we can complicate them'. The description given is in my view vague and debatable.

An aircraft may be requested to ‘STAND BY’ on a frequency when it is intended that the ATS unit will initiate communications soon.
==> BIGJET 347, Standby for Kennington Tower 118.950
An aircraft may be requested to ‘MONITOR’ a frequency when information is being broadcast thereon.
==> BIGJET 347, Monitor ATIS 128.275
As far as I can see, FAA limits it to 'MONITOR' and reserve the 'STANDBY' for.... standing by on the current frequency. Just like CAP&EASA use it in their glossary for: "STANDBY - Wait and I will call you."

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Not wanting to raise the bloodpressure of Talkdownman, but similar discussions going on for ages, ex. https://www.pprune.org/atc-issues/558646-stand-maastricht.html and a funny example I think,
A STANDBY CAMPAIGN AT MAASTRICHT UAC IS CONDUCTED IN ORDER TO REDUCE THE FREQUENCY LOAD AND THE NUMBER OF CROSS-TRANSMISSIONS. THE PHRASEOLOGY 'STANDBY FOR MAASTRICHT ON (CHANNEL-NAME)' CAN BE EXPECTED FOR TRANSFER OF FREQUENCY. PILOTS ARE REMINDED TO ANNOUNCE THEY ARE STANDING BY WHEN FREQUENCY TIME ALLOWS :rolleyes: