DHL Jobs

[deltahotel]

https://www.aviationjobs.me/jobs/b767-non-type-rated-first-officers-dhl-air-uk/

enjoy

[Telekon]

Nice one,

Been waiting for this to show up for a while, thanks for the heads up.

Telekon

[A38lephant]

https://www.aviationjobs.me/jobs/b767-non-type-rated-first-officers-dhl-air-uk/

enjoy

awesome! Any know starting salary/T&Cs?

[flyerflyer1]

Any info on bases? Lots of threads saying this is in Bahrain or is it UK based in EMA?

[rudestuff]

Any info on bases? Lots of threads saying this is in Bahrain or is it UK based in EMA?
DHL air UK does not have any bases in Bahrain.

[flyerflyer1]

DHL air UK does not have any bases in Bahrain.

Thank you. EMA it is then. Any info about roster and days away from home?

[rudestuff]

It's easy to get confused - there are a lot of yellow airplanes flying around!
DHK - DHL Air UK - 757/767/777 (EMA)
DHA - DHL Air Austria - 757 (LEJ)
DHX - DHL Aviation Bahrain - 767 (BAH)
EAT - European Air Transport - 757/A300/A330 (LEJ)
plus a lot of others working for them like Southernair, Kallitta, Atlas, Aerologic, ASL, Air Hong Kong etc etc...

[Rt Hon Jim Hacker MP]

There will be a very significant recruitment drive for DHL Air (EMA base) for 2023. Largely driven by fleet growth of the 767 and 777.

[pudoc]

Can anyone give an honest overview of DHL?

Fleet/recruitment plans, time to command, FO starting pay, rostering/lifestyle, management-pilot relationship, is long haul mainly 2 or 3 pilots, current morale etc.

Would be nice to hear the good and the bad.

Thanks.

[deltahotel]

Trying to work out if I can be bothered with this as I seem to have answered these questions so many times already - the search function is your friend. However, in the spirit of a season of goodwill and doing one big update as there has been a lot of change …………

5xSH, 10xLH (767/777) expanding to 18 LH.

Command variable - currently quick but won’t be for ever and dependent on where in the cycle you join alongside previous experience. Also we have plenty of home grown talent in the pipeline.

Required is UK licence, right to live and work and an address within 90 mins of EMA.

TR 70k

162 days inc leave free of duty. Trips from 4-14 days.

Mature and respectful - always issues with mgmt in all airlines, aren’t there?

2&3 depending on length.

Pretty good, I reckon. Coming out of COVID with no furlough, redundancies, pay cuts.

It’s an airline in transition from SH with a small LH add on, to a LH with a small SH rump. Expanding with all the opportunities that brings along with the issues of managing growth and new route structures. Everyone’s got their own story for good or ill, as I start my 21st year I’m very glad I joined.

Hth

Edited to add no passengers, no hats so more wins!

[jackbequick]

What would a typical roster pattern be?

14 day trip would 6 days off follow that? can you bid for long or shoter trips?

any information is welcome

Cheers

[ToCatLady]

Can anyone give an honest overview of DHL?

Fleet/recruitment plans, time to command, FO starting pay, rostering/lifestyle, management-pilot relationship, is long haul mainly 2 or 3 pilots, current morale etc.

Would be nice to hear the good and the bad.

Thanks.


other aircrew forum. Freight dogs. 777 EMA DHL thread.

Loads of info on there.

[deltahotel]

No bidding, but expressions of preferences which may or may not happen.

TCL thank you

[Lordflasheart]

I am confused ...

The job advert starts by seemingly seeking " B767 Non type rated First Officers"

That ad is still showing on-line. https://www.aviationjobs.me/jobs/b767-non-type-rated-first-officers-dhl-air-uk/

Line 3 of the ad ... "They have an exciting opportunity for 767/777 First Officers to join their team!"

Nowhere does the ad mention any requirement for applicants to have (or not have) a 767/777 type rating. Obviously not, because the headline says "Non type rated"

But more importantly, there seems to be no mention of having to get (or being given) a 767 or 777 type rating (and the funding thereof) once the non type rated pilot has joined DHL UK.

Is this two job ads for the price of one ? Or merely a poorly worded job ad.

Is it recruitment of Cruise Pilots by stealth ?

Not trying to knock it. Asking for my nephew whose training has cost me a lot of money, who thinks he might be in the frame for a cruise pilot job.

LFH

[SpamCanDriver]

It is confusingly written, but not sure where you got the recruitment of cruise pilots from?
I think the reference to 767/777 FO's is meant to be the roles they're seeking to fill.
The rating would be provided by DHL, and a "cruise pilot" would still need a rating anyway.

The requirements posted below are quite clear, despite the job description.
If your nephew meets the requirement listed, then he should apply

[Rt Hon Jim Hacker MP]

DHL are mainly recruiting for the 767. There may be a few slots on the 777. If you are already type rated you enjoy a better salary in year one. If not, DHL pay for the type rating on your behalf. It is fully funded by the employer.

[deltahotel]

LFH. I don’t find it confusing, but I’m already here and know the deal!

As above, training funded by the airline, if NTR then year one salary is reduced by about 8k (?), after that join the normal salary scale. I reckon it’s a good gig so if your nephew fits the bill ……,

Hth

[Hearmenow]

Hi, what is the starting salary and benefits? how many days a month can you expect to be away?
Whats the requirements for FO rather than SO?
Thanks

[deltahotel]

The job ad is for FO. NTR 60k. 162 days pa free of duty, inc leave

[deltahotel]

For further clarity, regardless of wording in job ads, there is currently no NTR recruitment for the 777. NTR is 767 only.

Hth

[ATR Star]

For further clarity, regardless of wording in job ads, there is currently no NTR recruitment for the 777. NTR is 767 only.

Hth
Hi, Do you know if/ when they will call people for interviews in January?

[deltahotel]

No idea. Not part of the recruiting empire, but it is ongoing and I guess they’re working through applications.

[geardown1]

deltahotel thanks for your insight and help so far, looks like one of the better jobs in the country. Do you know if DHL Air UK have an SFO position and what the requirements are? If successful, I’d be giving up medium haul command for the right seat again - which is fine, just seeing if you have any insider scoop on the SFO deal/pay/available to experienced newbies?

[deltahotel]

Only difference between FO and SFO is number of stripes on the sleeve - one pay scale for all rhs. Pretty much all of our new joiners have masses of experience inc lhs.

There is a level of experience to acquire the third stripe but tbh I don’t know what it is.

Not sure I’d give up a current cmd, though I don’t know where you are atm.

Not sure if this answers the question or not.

rgds

[GA F15]

Hi all, I’m a 737 Captain thinking very seriously about applying. Can someone please explain the command assessment process, and pass/failure rates?
The assessment process, and initial significant pay drop, are the only things causing me to have second thoughts.
Thanks

[rudestuff]

There is a level of experience to acquire the third stripe but tbh I don’t know what it is.It used to be an ATPL and one year in the company. Funny to see guys with grey hair and 2 stripes...

[rudestuff]

Hi all, I’m a 737 Captain thinking very seriously about applying. Can someone please explain the command assessment process, and pass/failure rates?
The assessment process, and initial significant pay drop, are the only things causing me to have second thoughts.
Thanks
What a strange decision to make. The command upgrade procedure is very fair. They want people to pass and train you to do so. Pass rates are high.

[GA F15]

Thanks for the reply, but why is it such a strange decision to make?
The chance for Longhaul flying, to move away from the constant ‘issues’ passengers cause, the relentless chaotic summers and the fact that cargo ops are more resilient through economic downturns..
i know of quite a few 737 Loco Captains that have recently made the move to RHS 767, so there are clearly others that think similar to me.
Thanks

[deltahotel]

Can't argue with those reasons, so feel free to apply and you'll be most welcome. Word on commands - there have been some quick commands due rapid expansion and business need and now we're working through the backlog of pre existing pilots alongside this. So, the only caveat I would put in is that it really hard to gauge time to command for new joiners regardless of previous experience.

Rudestuff is right - assessment, selection and training for commands is sensible. We are in the business of training for success which obviously depends on the correct selection in the first place.

hth

[rudestuff]

Thanks for the reply, but why is it such a strange decision to make?
The chance for Longhaul flying, to move away from the constant ‘issues’ passengers cause, the relentless chaotic summers and the fact that cargo ops are more resilient through economic downturns..
i know of quite a few 737 Loco Captains that have recently made the move to RHS 767, so there are clearly others that think similar to me.
Thanks
Fair enough, but generally on this side of the Atlantic isn't the name of the game to get into the LHS and stay there? Long haul is great compared to the SH 4 sector nights they were doing until a year ago, but it's not the be-all and end-all. I know it's each to their own but I would have assumed that a Ryanair type roster offers the best quality of life? Sleeping in your own bed etc.. With DHK you can expect to be away from home for 8-12 day trips a couple of times a month. As DeltaHotel says right now the upgrade times are super fast, but forgetting about the 757s for now - 99% of the flying is for 767 and 777. Direct entry were mostly 777 rated. Unless you've got that rating you'll end up as a 767 FO. That means you'll be at the back of the list for upgrade behind guys with the hours who joined ahead of you.
When the music stops you could end up in that seat for longer than you planned.

[geardown1]

How's the union in DHL UK, I remember seeing some DHL pay rises in the last couple years via the 'On the Radar' balpa emails - with DHL UK transitioning to long haul, are there any pay talks ongoing/future pay rises due? In saying that, the salary already looks good. Just interested on whats going on behind the scenes.

Cheers

[SpamCanDriver]

Fair enough, but generally on this side of the Atlantic isn't the name of the game to get into the LHS and stay there? Long haul is great compared to the SH 4 sector nights they were doing until a year ago, but it's not the be-all and end-all. I know it's each to their own but I would have assumed that a Ryanair type roster offers the best quality of life? Sleeping in your own bed etc.. With DHK you can expect to be away from home for 8-12 day trips a couple of times a month. As DeltaHotel says right now the upgrade times are super fast, but forgetting about the 757s for now - 99% of the flying is for 767 and 777. Direct entry were mostly 777 rated. Unless you've got that rating you'll end up as a 767 FO. That means you'll be at the back of the list for upgrade behind guys with the hours who joined ahead of you.
When the music stops you could end up in that seat for longer than you planned.

8-12 day trips, twice a month?

That's the first I've heard of that...

[ATR Star]

Has anyone heard anything from DHL yet? Interviews?

[AIMINGHIGH123]

Fair enough, but generally on this side of the Atlantic isn't the name of the game to get into the LHS and stay there? Long haul is great compared to the SH 4 sector nights they were doing until a year ago, but it's not the be-all and end-all. I know it's each to their own but I would have assumed that a Ryanair type roster offers the best quality of life? Sleeping in your own bed etc.. With DHK you can expect to be away from home for 8-12 day trips a couple of times a month. As DeltaHotel says right now the upgrade times are super fast, but forgetting about the 757s for now - 99% of the flying is for 767 and 777. Direct entry were mostly 777 rated. Unless you've got that rating you'll end up as a 767 FO. That means you'll be at the back of the list for upgrade behind guys with the hours who joined ahead of you.
When the music stops you could end up in that seat for longer than you planned.

At present winter time. It’s a bit quieter at RYR. Last summer was diabolical at RYR. Earlies we’re starting 5-6am. Landing after 4 sectors at 16.00 was normal. Earlier than that you had an easy day or were hitting 99hrs for 28 days. Once a week landing at 18.00. 12 hrs rest and back in again. 5 days on and pretty much didn’t see the other half apart from dinner together. Lates starting anytime from 12.00 and landing sometime 11-12 hrs later. Twice in a 5 day block I went into discretion, pushing 14hrs.
So yes while RYR you will be sleeping in your own bed days on you might not see the family. Speak with anyone with a family and the conversation usually goes like this. “What day you on? Day 5. Oh so off tomorrow. Yeah sleep first day. 2 days with family. Last day get up early/late to adjust body clock”

This coupled with pay etc is why many are leaving RYR.

[geardown1]

How's the union in DHL UK, I remember seeing some DHL pay rises in the last couple years via the 'On the Radar' balpa emails - with DHL UK transitioning to long haul, are there any pay talks ongoing/future pay rises due? In saying that, the salary already looks good. Just interested on whats going on behind the scenes in the transition to long haul.

Cheers

[Pilotman14]

Anybody know if DHL UK are looking for second officers?

Cheers

[deltahotel]

Don’t think so right now, but recruitment is fairly dynamic so feel free to send in an application. My guess is not.

[Pilotman14]

Don’t think so right now, but recruitment is fairly dynamic so feel free to send in an application. My guess is not.

Ah okay, cheers. I see they are recruiting FO's with 500hrs (Multi crew), so I will just wait till I hit that then. I am a few months off that mark, just hoping the window doesn't close before I get there.

[deltahotel]

That would be a better seat to be in anyway - suspect recruitment will be ongoing for a while. What are you currently flying? How many hours do you have? What's your current rate of flying?

[Pilotman14]

That would be a better seat to be in anyway - suspect recruitment will be ongoing for a while. What are you currently flying? How many hours do you have? What's your current rate of flying?

I fly the ATR 42/72's, with 300hr time on type, current rate of 50-60hrs pm. So should easily have the 500 by summer.

[deltahotel]

Given that you'll presumably have a 3 month notice period, you could always apply explaining in a covering letter how you will have the required hours by the time of any likely start date. I have absolutely no idea whether this would work or not as I am not part of the recruiting empire.

Either way, good luck!

[Pilotman14]

Given that you'll presumably have a 3 month notice period, you could always apply explaining in a covering letter how you will have the required hours by the time of any likely start date. I have absolutely no idea whether this would work or not as I am not part of the recruiting empire.

Either way, good luck!

Ah cool, worth a shot haha.

Thanks for your help :)

[Turbine Tom]

Hey all,

I applied for DHL back in December and still haven’t heard whether I’ve been shortlisted for an interview or not!

And im 6000 hours on the 737!

has anyone heard whether they’ve started interviews yet?

[geardown1]

Hey all,

I applied for DHL back in December and still haven’t heard whether I’ve been shortlisted for an interview or not!

And im 6000 hours on the 737!

has anyone heard whether they’ve started interviews yet?


probably hundreds of applicants every month and just lost in the system. A polite email may help but I’d imagine the volume of applications is still mental. Another 400 odd pilots to recruit apparently.

[deltahotel]

Selection ongoing - recruitment team busy!

[Ohfeck]

Hey all,

I applied for DHL back in December and still haven’t heard whether I’ve been shortlisted for an interview or not!

And im 6000 hours on the 737!

has anyone heard whether they’ve started interviews yet?

Yes I know of two that have gone or going through the process both from the company I’m leaving.

First one she was called in December and given her Sim check date in January. She starts end of March / early April I believe. The other has his interview in a week or twos time. Both are experienced (10k hr Airbus)

[Fletch]

​​​​Apologies if these have been covered..
Layovers- I appreciate it's Type and destination dependant, but what's the general "rule"? Is it a minimum rest type of operation or a bit more generous? Fair to say USA and ME 24 hours with the Far East/HKG being 48 hours?
Are there any multi sector days on the 767 or 777?
For commuters, does the pattern of the 777 suit better than the 767?

[plumponpies]

Anything from 24-135 hour layovers down route, there is no fixed pattern generally speaking. Obviously min rest duties can occur to meet network requirements. Commuting works fine on both fleets however, be prepared to shell out on the odd night/day in accommodation if you don’t live within 90 minutes of EMA.
Multi sector days…..well yes, if it’s a short sector, eg. EME-LEJ -EMA.

[Fletch]

Thanks for the info. Much appreciated.

[HandsomeHarry]

Everything you hear about this gig is positive. Sounds a great place to work.

[Pilotman14]

Aye thats why I tried to apply but got rejected after 1 day :(
Guess I'll try again in a few months

[plumponpies]

It is just that. Great company and even better people.👍

[fredthedog]

Can anyone advise how long it takes for a new join FO to get onto full salary and is the £67k just during training or for a certain period of time? As an experienced Jet Captain I guess there is no point asking about time to command (how long is a piece of string) but is there a certain experience level required to apply for command down the line etc?

[geardown1]

£67K basic from day one, for 12 months, then jump up to year one. If type rated on 767/777 then you start on year one straight away. The only thing that is reduced at the start is the duty pay which is on a lesser training hourly rate until line check is passed. Command well within 5 years at the moment for experienced pilots, for 767 command 4000hrs total time and 1000hrs boeing. 777 command is 5000hrs total time with 1000hrs boeing. Commands given with experience and seniority. Alongside basic, expect anywhere from £10K-15K per year with duty pay and night stop allowances. BALPA pay talks ongoing at present and a yearly bonus scheme for staff as well up to 5%.

[Yakhunt]

£67K basic from day one, for 12 months, then jump up to year one. If type rated on 767/777 then you start on year one straight away. The only thing that is reduced at the start is the duty pay which is on a lesser training hourly rate until line check is passed. Command well within 5 years at the moment for experienced pilots, for 767 command 4000hrs total time and 1000hrs boeing. 777 command is 5000hrs total time with 1000hrs boeing. Commands given with experience and seniority. Alongside basic, expect anywhere from £10K-15K per year with duty pay and night stop allowances. BALPA pay talks ongoing at present and a yearly bonus scheme for staff as well up to 5%.


Thankfully the reduced duty pay has been removed recently. So it’s £4.20 every hour you are away from base during the Type Rating.

[fredthedog]

£67K basic from day one, for 12 months, then jump up to year one. If type rated on 767/777 then you start on year one straight away. The only thing that is reduced at the start is the duty pay which is on a lesser training hourly rate until line check is passed. Command well within 5 years at the moment for experienced pilots, for 767 command 4000hrs total time and 1000hrs boeing. 777 command is 5000hrs total time with 1000hrs boeing. Commands given with experience and seniority. Alongside basic, expect anywhere from £10K-15K per year with duty pay and night stop allowances. BALPA pay talks ongoing at present and a yearly bonus scheme for staff as well up to 5%.

Thankfully the reduced duty pay has been removed recently. So it’s £4.20 every hour you are away from base during the Type Rating.

many thanks for the information 👍

[Fletch]

A quick question please about 777 rosters please. Is there much control over your rosters (trips/days off)? Looking at the network it looks like there's some long trips out there. To get an idea please, if you head west to HKG how long would the trip be and how many days off could expect after for example? I'm trying to get a feel for days at home.
Much appreciated

[geardown1]

A quick question please about 777 rosters please. Is there much control over your rosters (trips/days off)? Looking at the network it looks like there's some long trips out there. To get an idea please, if you head west to HKG how long would the trip be and how many days off could expect after for example? I'm trying to get a feel for days at home.
Much appreciated

random roster, no bidding or location preferences to keep it fair. Minimum days off is trip length/2 +1, so ten day trip has a minimum 6 days off after. AFAIK, that +1 is about to change to + 2 later in the year. 10 on would mean 7 off.

that’s the minimum days off, you can get rostered more days off. 8 golden days off you can book too for special occasions etc.

[Fletch]

Superb! That sounds very workable, particularly if it goes to /2 + 2. Many thanks

[rudestuff]

Multi sector days…..well yes, if it’s a short sector, eg. EME-LEJ -EMA. Good luck getting a 777 into EME, a 767 would be Autobrake Max and no freight...😜

[hans brinker]

Good luck getting a 777 into EME, a 767 would be Autobrake Max and no freight...😜

username checks out ;)

[plumponpies]

Clearly a typo on my part.