View Full Version : New MD for Babcock Aus
rrekn
16th Feb 2018, 23:19
Rumour has it that Mr Boag has been stood aside and Ms Adams now had the reins.
Any reason given for the change?
megan
16th Feb 2018, 23:56
So what is Mr John Boag doing now?
Brother
17th Feb 2018, 02:45
Lauren Adams is the interim gm onshore
Andrew Cridland is the interim gm offshore
Fog Duck
3rd Mar 2018, 07:05
It was a long time coming. No more jobs for the boys :{
norunway
3rd Mar 2018, 15:07
Couldn’t have happened to a nicer individual, what goes around, comes around.
Goggle Up
4th Mar 2018, 01:41
Hello Karma, bye bye MD!
Could this be the end of top cover and special deals for 'the boys' who are masquerading as managers? A few of the hand picked lap dogs might be nervous.
Brother
4th Mar 2018, 01:47
under jb the babcock business has got stronger in ems and offshore which keeps people employed. You can all be as nasty as you like. At least he came from the industry and not business school.
Twin Head
5th Mar 2018, 07:30
Best news I have heard all this year 🎉🎉🎉🎉
Fog Duck
5th Mar 2018, 07:58
under jb the babcock business has got stronger in ems and offshore which keeps people employed. You can all be as nasty as you like. At least he came from the industry and not business school.
Brother, it looks like you're outnumbered.
Babcock got bigger, not stronger, and micromanaging strangled the vitality out of the sharp end. There was no leadership, only control.
As far as coming from the industry, what does that mean? Hasn't touched an aircraft in 20 years, never an operator, always a wheeler and dealer.
and micromanaging strangled the vitality out of the sharp end. There was no leadership, only control.
Generation Snowflake probably needs that in these days of entitlement.
Man up. The digital age and stupification is real unfortunately.
Brother
6th Mar 2018, 09:33
FD
Brother, it looks like you're outnumbered.
Doesn't worry me mate, I speak as I find and i only had good experiences with JB over the years so i won't be joining your private character assassination.
Speaking as i find though, you must be a bit of a sad little mongrel obviously registering for pprune just to take pot shots at JB.
Goggle Up
6th Mar 2018, 11:20
Bro there's nothing private about character assassinating that individual.... it was happening most days company wide.
If you only had good experiences with the individual in question, then perhaps you are the individual in question! .... or one of his yes men??
212man
6th Mar 2018, 11:30
Bro there's nothing private about character assassinating that individual.... it was happening most days company wide.
If you only had good experiences with the individual in question, then perhaps you are the individual in question! .... or one of his yes men??
Location: Yellow and Black 92
Clearly he is not JB!
industry insider
6th Mar 2018, 22:23
What a shame that there is a group of people who want to kick someone when they are down. Good on Brother for sticking up for JB.
I had contractual dealings with Babcock when requiring 1 month of contract helicopter support for my company a couple of years ago. It was all handled by JB and his team simply and professionally and the service and support provided was excellent.
Fog Duck
7th Mar 2018, 00:04
Sorry Brother... you'll have to speak up, I can't hear you over the noise of the celebrations...
Hasn't touched an aircraft in 20 years, never an operator, always a wheeler and dealerI can remember when he flew as a FO in offshore - his first job I think.
Nescafe
7th Mar 2018, 03:57
Australia’s tall poppy syndrome at its best.
KiwiNedNZ
7th Mar 2018, 23:10
Goggle Up - Well what sort of response did you expect to get considering you and others just bagged the crap out of him in nearly every post on this thread. Pprune is no different to the Just Helicopters forum these days.
DOUBLE BOGEY
8th Mar 2018, 05:25
Someone should delete this thread. it's an embarrassment to the profession we belong to.
Miles Gustaph
8th Mar 2018, 11:46
Someone should delete this thread. it's an embarrassment to the profession we belong to.
Well said!
In a time when a great many of our colleagues are struggling to find jobs or those with jobs are finding their terms and conditions 'squeezed' he kept the Australian operation afloat and won more than his fair share of contracts and kept a lot of our friends and colleagues in jobs! That is something not to be knocked!
Brother
8th Mar 2018, 12:14
n a time when a great many of our colleagues are struggling to find jobs or those with jobs are finding their terms and conditions 'squeezed' he kept the Australian operation afloat and won more than his fair share of contracts and kept a lot of our friends and colleagues in jobs! That is something not to be knocked!
I agree Miles but be careful, when I said the same thing I got flamed!
KiwiNedNZ
8th Mar 2018, 20:30
For the record when I was over in Darwin recently shooting the two new H175s there EVERYONE I spoke to, clients, pilots, admin staff etc all had good things to say about John Boag - NO ONE had anything negative to say about him. Have I worked for him - No, have I dealt with him on contracts etc - No, but every dealing I have had with him has been professional from a media side.
The thing I hate about this forum and the industry is people are real quick to stick the boot in when someone gets dealt a bad hand - especially from behind a screen name. If you are going to kick someone when they are down then standup and sign off your real name so people know who you are and when it comes time for to you apply for a new job they know what sort of person they are getting.
Fog Duck
8th Mar 2018, 23:25
Well said!
In a time when a great many of our colleagues are struggling to find jobs or those with jobs are finding their terms and conditions 'squeezed' he kept the Australian operation afloat and won more than his fair share of contracts and kept a lot of our friends and colleagues in jobs! That is something not to be knocked!
Not so. Your colleagues kept themselves in a job by turning up every day and flying the aircraft. The proof is in the sky if you care to look up. Aircraft are still getting airborne and crews are still doing their jobs, in spite of anything that might have occurred within the ranks of the earthbound managers. If they don't turn up to work, nothing happens, other than an unusually peaceful day at the coal face. If the operators didn't turn up, the work would cease. Management is meant to work for the operators, but the idiots think the operators work for them.
NumptyAussie
9th Mar 2018, 05:00
Not so. Your colleagues kept themselves in a job by turning up every day and flying the aircraft. The proof is in the sky if you care to look up. Aircraft are still getting airborne and crews are still doing their jobs, in spite of anything that might have occurred within the ranks of the earthbound managers. If they don't turn up to work, nothing happens, other than an unusually peaceful day at the coal face. If the operators didn't turn up, the work would cease. Management is meant to work for the operators, but the idiots think the operators work for them.
Not so, the people at the "coal face (how quaint) would not have contracts on which to earn their pennies, or aircraft to fly if it wasn't for the management team bidding (& winning) contracts, importing and managing aircraft, dealing with the regulator, invoicing the clients, paying the staff, arranging for Sim and travel and ensuring as far as possible all a pilot has to worry about when strapping on a helicopter is not crashing the aircraft..
Miles Gustaph
9th Mar 2018, 09:59
Not so. Your colleagues kept themselves in a job by turning up every day and flying the aircraft.
And where do you think those aircraft come from? Who do you think won the contracts for those aircraft to be flying in support of? :ugh:
The Pilots who turned up every day and were flying the aircraft, and the engineers who turned up every day to prep those aircraft all do a cracking job and were paid every month from money made from contacts won by John's team.
I know the guy and wouldn't invite him to a BBQ but he won a lot of business that saw a lot of investment in operations that kept a lot of people in work.
If you want to slate his character then fine, but lets keep the perspective that there are people who have jobs and can support their families as a result of what that man achieved for his team.
nunatak
9th Mar 2018, 10:54
New here - the guy stuck his neck out to keep people in work for an extended time. He even carried a couple of people at line level when their family members were seriously ill or dying - past what some others would have. It must have been a pita for the onshore side but only minimum necessary were put off when certain other companies were behaving v badly! If the judgement of a man is to do a good turn before a bad one then I would judge him in the plus side! If you don’t get on with him - take a geek at yourself. I’m guessing you’re probably a drone just keeping your inch of the hive cool.
think I’m with brother and Ned in this. My limited contact with him has usually mostly been high ethics, high energy and respect retuned.
Nigel Osborn
11th Mar 2018, 08:10
I knew JB when he was a young 206 pilot with Lloyds in Adelaide some 30 years ago. He was a good operator & very popular with the customers. I didn't know him in the management role but the anti remarks here do surprise me. Where's he gone now?
Quickdraw
12th Mar 2018, 03:51
Having previously worked with the man for a few years, I can only give you my opinion based on my experiences. Whilst he can be demanding, he is also a generous man and very commercially astute. He has built a great business with good people and good culture.
Tibbsy
12th Mar 2018, 09:43
These things happen in business. Companies grow and the people who were so successful in a smaller organisation don't always fit in with the new owners or investors. It's not always a reflection on someone's character, morals or acumen if they're let go.
I don't know JB but from what I've heard he shares similar traits to many of the key personalities in the Australasian helicopter industry.
Hello Karma, bye bye MD!
Could this be the end of top cover and special deals for 'the boys' who are masquerading as managers? A few of the hand picked lap dogs might be nervous.
It's always interesting watching the transition from a small business to a bigger one. Some people successfully make the transition and grow into their role, while many others never get their head around the fact that a corporate structure has different imperatives. Leadership styles that work in a small company often don't work in multi-national corporations, particularly when your success and promotion into a role may have been a result of the patronage shown by a previous manager or owner. When that patronage disappears, you're often left exposed like the proverbial shag on a rock.
Is this the sort of thing you're talking about Goggle Up?
Pedro83
19th Mar 2018, 12:31
New here - the guy stuck his neck out to keep people in work for an extended time. He even carried a couple of people at line level when their family members were seriously ill or dying - past what some others would have. It must have been a pita for the onshore side but only minimum necessary were put off when certain other companies were behaving v badly! If the judgement of a man is to do a good turn before a bad one then I would judge him in the plus side! If you don’t get on with him - take a geek at yourself. I’m guessing you’re probably a drone just keeping your inch of the hive cool.
think I’m with brother and Ned in this. My limited contact with him has usually mostly been high ethics, high energy and respect retuned.
Thumbs up nunatak for your message.
EDIT: I wrote another post, however, it has been moderated down I guess (fair enough). To put it more politely than I had before - shame on people for wishing bad luck to others. For how much I know JB, you only get a treatment from him you deserve, if your words and actions are not worth much, you may have got appropriate feedback.
I wish JB some good time off, and I am not worried about him finding a new role whenever he feels like it.
PS: I am long-term visitor of pprune but never had an urge to register to post until today.
nonac
19th Apr 2018, 15:14
He's always done right by me. It's likely those who choose to knock him do so simply because they didn't do the right thing and should probably fear his preparedness for a fresh challenge. When the JB's of our industry throw the towel in, you really need to worry because yoj'll like the bean counters even less. I just hope JB isn't reading the trash on this thread. Having said that I know he's made of better stuff. So for all the kickers, you'll still be kicking when he's dusted himself off and ready to make a difference again.
MagsOffTap
22nd Jun 2022, 01:34
He's always done right by me. It's likely those who choose to knock him do so simply because they didn't do the right thing and should probably fear his preparedness for a fresh challenge. When the JB's of our industry throw the towel in, you really need to worry because yoj'll like the bean counters even less. I just hope JB isn't reading the trash on this thread. Having said that I know he's made of better stuff. So for all the kickers, you'll still be kicking when he's dusted himself off and ready to make a difference again.
There's been quite a few changes since Nonac's post apparently.
Lauren Adams replaced JB but only lasted until the end of 2019. She was replaced by Darren Moncrief, previously at Cobham. He apparently resigned at the start of this year and the role was filled by Duncan Milne - another Cobham old boy. Evidently the company is choccas with ex-Cobham staff. Perhaps it's a take-over by stealth;).
Presumably Milne didn't win the role permanently because Australian Aviation have written a news article saying that Peter Newington is the new Managing Director from 1 August. He is the current CareFlight CEO and was previously Hevilift.
The delicious irony is that Johnny Boag is now the CEO at Cobham. So it looks as though he dusted himself off nicely :E
What is going on a Babcock Mission Critical Services in Australia? 4 managing directors in 4 years can't be healthy. Their drivers are not the highest paid in Australia by any stretch but they haven't won any new business for quite a while, There's rumblings about a change in provider coming for a couple of contracts that Babcock currently have too. I wonder if they're going to be sold off like the UK Mission Critical Services business.
Tibbsy
22nd Jun 2022, 22:51
Presumably Milne didn't win the role permanently because Australian Aviation have written a news article saying that Peter Newington is the new Managing Director from 1 August. He is the current CareFlight CEO and was previously Hevilift.
Interesting. Perhaps the business isn't being sold off if they're going to the trouble of appointing a new MD eh?
nowherespecial
23rd Jun 2022, 04:49
At the risk of pedantry, Mr Newington is not the CEO of Careflight, Mick Frewen is. Mr Newington was CEO of Hevilift in PNG prior to his role at Careflight.
MagsOffTap
23rd Jun 2022, 05:28
At the risk of pedantry, Mr Newington is not the CEO of Careflight, Mick Frewen is. Mr Newington was CEO of Hevilift in PNG prior to his role at Careflight.
You say pedant, I say accurate. Sorry about that. You are quite correct. I misread the AA article, which says he is the GM at Careflight.
minigundiplomat
23rd Jun 2022, 17:18
Peter Newington?
Great news for CHC. But, also for Babcock, he’s the greatest human he knows.
MagsOffTap
24th Jun 2022, 05:31
Peter Newington?
Great news for CHC. But, also for Babcock, he’s the greatest human he knows.
Is he ex-CHC? Pilot?
:} Isn't that a requisite quality for Managing Directors?
minigundiplomat
25th Jun 2022, 11:07
Is he ex-CHC? Pilot?
:} Isn't that a requisite quality for Managing Directors?
Ex HL - CHC wouldn’t have taken him.
ask him - he loves talking about himself. Met
him once and he was an utter tool
MagsOffTap
12th Aug 2022, 04:57
Boom!
Peter Newington's first few days in the job and apparently his first move is to rip up the latest EBA pay offer for Babcock pilots and make a new offer that is a much less than was being offered.
Pilots are now taking industrial action. If what I'm being told is true they're being treated very shabbily by the company.