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The SSK
8th Jul 2008, 11:42
Except they don’t call it fuel rationing, they call it ‘emissions trading’.

The European Parliament voted an hour ago to introduce an Emissions Trading Scheme for aviation from 2012, covering all airlines, EU and non-EU, except the very smallest. CO2 emissions will be capped at 97% of where they were in 2004-6, or about 10% lower than they are now. That cap is on a sliding scale – downwards.

In other words, air transport in Europe is going to have to shrink, either that or airlines will have to buy unused permits from other sectors if they want to continue to develop their business.

The real killer though is that airlines will not be given an initial allocation, they will have to buy them, or at least 15% of them to start with (possibly rising every year), from the taxman.

Industry calculations give a cost for the scheme averaging €5.3bn a year for the period 2012-2022, which is just a bit more than the entire sector made as profit in its best-ever year. 2008-9-10 will not be the industry’s best-ever year.

Before anybody starts shouting about ‘Brussels…’ this is elected MEPs (if you didn’t elect them, you could have) voting on a deal they agreed with 27 sovereign national governments.

My guess is that it will achieve its goal of shrinking European aviation, but not in an orderly, gradual way. Instead there will be bankruptcies among the weakened survivors of the current economic crisis, and voluntary liquidations when the recipients of the permits realise they are worth more traded than used to operate unprofitable routes. A lot of airports will drop off the air transport map and local economies will suffer. A lot of people, not just in the airlines, will be looking for jobs.

I’m hoping to be around this industry until 2014. If that’s the case, I’ll have a ringside seat for the spectacle. It won’t be a pretty sight.

S78
8th Jul 2008, 11:54
How are they going to enforce this on non-EU airlines?




This is going to end in tears.......


S78

pwalhx
8th Jul 2008, 12:00
This has been on the cards for a considerable time, so is hardly coming as a shock.

Indeed correct me if I am wrong didn't some airlines (something rings a bell about easyjet) say they had no problems or were in favour of the deal - probably just trying to pretend to have green credentials maybe?

Curious Pax
8th Jul 2008, 12:26
I don't have any figures to hand, but I suspect that a lot of older aircraft will be phased out over the next few years due to the cost of running them, and as a result emissions will decrease anyway as newer aircraft fill the gap. That would explain why EZY are happy with it - they have the newer aircraft already, whilst competitors such as Alitalia for example will have to look at replacing their MD80s with cleaner aircraft.

cwatters
8th Jul 2008, 12:39
I can't see how they are going to administer this. Will it be on a per flight basis? Will we see stop-overs just outside the EU to "shorten" the flight for CO2 trading purposes? If it was just on miles flown within the EU we might see some strange routings.

luoto
8th Jul 2008, 12:52
How does this work? You pay your money to the government. It is not tax though. Oh no.. But what happens to the money? They don't have a magic store of "environment regeneration" to buy with the money.

barit1
8th Jul 2008, 12:53
Correct me if I'm wrong:

The most effective way for EU to reduce fuel burn/carbon footprint is through ATC modernization and allied efficiencies. If they are serious about the problem, they'll attack the true culprit, rather than hitting on the clients.

:rolleyes:

dh dragon
8th Jul 2008, 13:09
It would help enormously if the EU Parliament ceased to shuttle between Brussels and Strasbourg frequently.It would not only save a lot of emissions but also a lot of money.Perhaps the UK fiscal contribution to the EU could then be reduced.But then the French would lose face so it won,t happen :hmm:

peter we
8th Jul 2008, 13:32
Correct me if I'm wrong:

The most effective way for EU to reduce fuel burn/carbon footprint is through ATC modernization and allied efficiencies. If they are serious about the problem, they'll attack the true culprit, rather than hitting on the clients.

They will get their emission cuts, its not their problem how it happens....

Re-Heat
8th Jul 2008, 13:38
Before anybody starts shouting about ‘Brussels…’ this is elected MEPs (if you didn’t elect them, you could have) voting on a deal they agreed with 27 sovereign national governments.
Yes, the MEPs we vote for, who vanish off the planet for years between elections, meeting in secret parliamentary sessions. Hardly accountable.

Still, something had to happen on aviation emissions. The car lobby is so much more effective.

The SSK
8th Jul 2008, 13:40
Cwatters:

The permits will apply to the flight through to its destination. The big issue is so-called ‘carbon leakage’ which will benefit eg the Gulf carriers who will fly passengers on routes like Frankfurt-Dubai-China but require permits for the Frankfurt-Dubai sector, despite the fact that the carbon footprint will be greater than a Frankfurt-China non-stop. Or, a routing NYC-Dubai-India would bypass the European scheme but a NYC-Frankfurt-India would be subject in its entirety.

Pwalhx & Curious Pax:

Airlines with ultra-efficient fleets have nothing to trade up to, they are already emitting less so they will receive fewer permits.

Barit1:

You got it in one :ok:

20driver
8th Jul 2008, 14:52
At the end of the day it is just a tax and like all taxes there will be ways to dodge it, particularly if you stay outside the EU. Sounds like Kyoto airborne version.

Really hard to believe that anyone thinks this is going to help reduce anything but the market share of EU airlines.

20driver

Brainstorm
8th Jul 2008, 16:13
Not sure what is happening in Europe these days, we seem to be very busy trying to commit financial suicide, just so that someone somewhere can make a quick buck. I think we will hit a point pretty soon where there is nothing left to take.

A strong air transport system is an essential part of the infrastructure of a successful nation. If we can't provide it ourselves, someone else will.

WHBM
8th Jul 2008, 17:31
What about all the top European's own jets - Sarkozy's or Merkel's own Airbuses ? Oh, they're not part of the restricted fuel scheme. My oh my, what a coincidence.

757_Driver
8th Jul 2008, 20:19
as has been said, its just a tax.

sorting out the ATC situation would generate real fuel savings, not fake paper ones. In fact, due to rerouting and all sorts of stuff, this is likely to increas fuel burn as all the long haul flights will probably include a stop 1 mile outside the EU. (Perhaps the isle of man or channel islands should build and international airport!)

however my guess is that either the scheme will have little or no effect, or that it will never happen as the EU have no authority over non-EU carriers.

CargoOne
8th Jul 2008, 20:25
Don't worry, by 2012 European Union will be a history anyway

transilvana
8th Jul 2008, 20:54
European union it´s an utophy. If I pay an euro on Taxes I want it to be spent in somethig that reduces carbon emissions, trees? with all the money they will get you may plant the whole europe land in one month!!!! It´s just another way to get the money from the botton.

Any state (country) it´s just the consecuence of a good administered Mafia.

cortilla
8th Jul 2008, 21:53
emissions trading has been on the cards for years and years. So aviation comes in as a part of phase 2 of the scheme. All large industries will eventually be a part of it. The aim is to cap carbon emissions at x number of million tonnes in europe every year. Industries that can clean up can sell their permits to industries that can't. It's not just a tax on aviation it's an attempt to do something about carbon emissions in all industries in Europe.

BA have been a part of the UK-ETS for a few years. It's an attempt to meet the kyoto targets. Whether it's the answer to carbon emissions i don't know, but it's a start.

ZeBedie
9th Jul 2008, 00:18
Whether it's the answer to carbon emissions i don't know, but it's a start.

there's always one gullible fool :}

SOPS
9th Jul 2008, 07:10
Did'nt the crazy Dutch just whack on some sort of "green" tax for flights ex SPL..I seem to remember reading 45 euros a person to help save the planet. Problem as I see it, 10 mins after takeoff you are outside the Netherlands any way...so all it is, is another rip off tax. Why dont they just take all the money from everyone in Europe and issue food stamps instead?:ugh:

fiftyfour
9th Jul 2008, 11:17
We don't need to worry about this. The EU will implode before then. It is not democratic, and ridled with sleeze and ineficiency. The EU accounts have not been signed off by the auditor for over 15 years now. Fortunately the Irish have had the guts to say they have had enough. It's only a matter of time before it unravels in spectacular style. Italy for example is bankrupt and living on funny money.

layinlow
9th Jul 2008, 12:24
And to think we have come to this over a global warming hoax. 250 leading scientists signed a concensus over global arming, 31000 said it is a hoax.

Dan Winterland
9th Jul 2008, 12:36
More Eurobollox. Glad I moved to Asia.

BALLSOUT
9th Jul 2008, 13:33
Ryanair are probably best placed for this one as they had mostly old 200's in those days, now all new 800's

Asdrius
9th Jul 2008, 13:45
Hello,

I decided to look through European Parlament documents regarding this issue and also found this text in DRAFT EUROPEAN PARLIAMENT LEGISLATIVE RESOLUTION:

However, none of these estimates takes into account the highly uncertain cirrus cloud effects. In accordance with Article 174(2) of the Treaty, Community environment policy must be based on the precautionary principle and therefore all impacts of aviation should be addressed to the extent possible. Air traffic management authorities should apply effective measures in order to avoid the formation of contrails and cirrus clouds through changes in flight patterns, namely by ensuring that flights avoid passing through areas where due to specific atmospheric conditions the formation of such clouds is likely. In addition, they should strongly promote research on the formation of contrails and cirrus clouds including effective mitigation measures (for instance in relation to fuel, engines and air traffic management) that do not adversely affect other environmental goals.


Those Euro politicians also wants to fight against contrails? Aren't there more important problems in Europe nowadays?
Althought it is written that the effect is highly uncertain they already want to apply measures because of precautionary principle? I think with such logic a lot of more strange, uncertain decisions can be made by EU parlament.

ChristiaanJ
9th Jul 2008, 15:04
Contrails reflect sunlight, so they contribute to global cooling. Not much, but not totally negligeable. Similar to volcanic ash and other particulates in the upper atmosphere (think of Pinatubo).

"Air traffic management authorities should apply effective measures in order to avoid the formation of contrails..." yeah right. Somebody might do some more studies on the subject, and discover their scam.

chippy63
9th Jul 2008, 22:31
I may well be wrong, but I thought that international air travel was governed by treaties which must be agreed by both sides. The US, I recall, is protesting some of this stuff, and is threatening legal action.
Obviously, intra-EU flights can be legislated by our[I]soi-disant [I] masters.
This carbon trading market is shaping up to be a great market for the wide boys, incidentally.