The Mystery Aeroplane Quiz With No Pictures

[Archimedes]

OK, let's keep this one simple -

I am a tired and emotional sort of crab, but that's all Ernie's fault.

[TD&H]

Wasn't the de H Vampire originally going to be called the Spider Crab? Could this be you?

[Archimedes]

No, sir. I am not jet-powered.

[TD&H]

Alright then, a simple question:

British?

[Archimedes]

I have become a naturalised British citizen, after emigrating from Belgium.

[Bre901]

Are you a biplane ?

[Archimedes]

Spot on, Speechless Two!

Best of luck.

[Peter Barron]

Ok if I have a bash.

I was a Royal Stinger

Peter.

[spekesoftly]

DH 82B Queen Bee ?

[Peter Barron]

spekesoftly.

Sorry but not the one.

Peter.

[spekesoftly]

OK Peter, are you the Bell P-63 King Cobra ?

[Peter Barron]

spekesoftly, sorry not that one either.

Peter.

[Bre901]

Maybe a DH Hornet then ?

[Peter Barron]

Bre901

No, not a Hornet, no royal implication.

Peter.

[treadigraph]

Queen Wasp? If memory serves, RP version of the Airspeed Oxford (built by Morris?)

[Peter Barron]

treadigraph.

Ah, that was to quick, am I allowed another go ?

Tick VG, indeed it was the Airspeed Queen Wasp.

Not like the Oxford though, the Queen Wasp was a single radial engine biplane, only 7 built and was a radio controlled target aircraft.

Peter.

[treadigraph]

Ah, yes it's coming back to me...

Queen Wasp (http://www.jaapteeuwen.com/ww2aircraft/html%20pages/airspeed%20as30%20queen%20wasp.htm)

Go ahead old chap, my visits to PPRuNe are unpredicatable at the moment...

[Peter Barron]

treadigraph.

Thank's, you are a Gent.

I flew during the war but was never used operationally.

Peter.

[LowNSlow]

Where you a twin sir?

[Peter Barron]

LowNSlow.

Yes, I had two engines.

Peter.

[You want it when?]

Was your normal crew complement three?

[Peter Barron]

You want it when?.

Just the one pilot.

Peter.

[Bre901]

Westland Whirlwind, per chance ?

or rather, my little sister, the Westland Welkin ?

[Tim Inder]

Do you mean never used operationally at all, or just not during the war?
If so, my guess is the DH Hornet...
If not, err, well...

[Peter Barron]

Bre901.

Yes, it was the Westland Welkin.

A very well done to you Sir.

Peter.

[Bre901]

Thanks

Here we go (and, to please Mr BEagle, I tried to make it reasonably esoteric ;) )

I was the climax and the (almost) last branch of a very old family.

[LowNSlow]

Bre where you a Hawker ?

[Bre901]

LowNSlow

No, Sir

[Peter Barron]

Bre901.

Are you English.
Piston or jet.

Peter.

[Bre901]

Peter

Not English
Jet

[LowNSlow]

Would you be a Dassault design? Possibly a Super Etendard?

[Bre901]

LowNSlow

No Dassault
No Super Etendard

[treadigraph]

Are you American?

[Bre901]

treadigraph

Yes

[Peter Barron]

Bre901.

Are you a Phantom.

Peter.

[Bre901]

Peter Barron

Not a Phantom.

[treadigraph]

Are you a "Century" fighter?

[Bre901]

treadigraph

Not a fighter
(neither 20th or 21st Century, if this what you mean) :confused:

[treadigraph]

I meant one of the F-100 series of fighters...! But way off beam...

McDonnell-Douglas MD-11?

[Bre901]

MD-11 neither

The word "family" should be understood in a wider sense than just a specific manufacturer ...

[Peter Barron]

Bre901.

Are you a bomber.

Peter.

[treadigraph]

Civil or military....?

[Bre901]

Peter Barron : bombing was one of my missions

Hence, treadigraph, you can easily guess I was military ;)

[Peter Barron]

Bre901.

Were you stationed at Upper Heyford and Lakenheath.

Peter.

[Bre901]

Peter Barron

No, I was not

[sycamore]

Douglas B-66 /A-3, perhaps ?

Failing that ;Army
Navy
A-F
Marines ?

[Bre901]

Douglas B-66 /A-3 : No

US Navy : yes

[Peter Barron]

Bre901.

Are you perhaps a Vigilantee.

Peter.

[Bre901]

Peter Barron

NA A-5 Vigilante (only one "E") : no

[Peter Barron]

Bre901.

I know Vigilante only has one E, my brain was not working at the time, still not working now really but I will have another shot.

F-8.

Peter

:O

[Bre901]

Sorry Peter, not the F-8 either.

May I suggest that you ask more generic questions.
Reviewing the past and present Navy inventory might be a bit boring for the readers ;)

[Peter Barron]

Its like being back at school.

Spelling corrected and told off for asking the wrong sort of questions

[Bre901]

Peter Barron

Take it easy. I was just making a mere suggestion and trying to be helpful. The smiley was supposed to ease the edges of my comment ;)

Now if your post was ironical (which I doubt), please ignore the above.

Next question, please.

[sycamore]

Douglas?
Grumman?
M-D?

50`s
60`S
70`s 80`s???

[seacue]

The next-to-last subsonic jet recon / bomber introduced into the US military inventory?

[Bre901]

sycamore

Douglas? No
Grumman? No
M-D? No

50`s : Yes

seacue

The next-to-last subsonic jet recon / bomber introduced into the US military inventory?

can't figure out quickly which one you're thinking of, but I would say no

[Archimedes]

Er..... T-2 Buckeye? Bombing as part of weapons training? But surely not?

[Bre901]

T-2 Buckeye : No

Uh-oh, maybe this is too esoteric :uhoh:
Whatever happens, the answer will be posted tonight. Let me highlight the important stuff in the initial clue.

I was the climax and the (almost) last branch of a very old family : my ancestors started flying in 1910 !

And the last one :
think BIG

[Tim Inder]

B-36? That's pretty big, innit?

[Bre901]

Yep, that was pretty big indeed, but I don't think it was built for the US Navy, was it ?

[BEagle]

Martin P6M SeaMaster - first flew in 1955 and equipped a single USN squadron.

Almost the last of the flying boat family.......

[sycamore]

BEags, sorry, only 3 were built.
The man is after the Convair R3Y Tradewind, which could refuel 4 a/c at a time..

[BEagle]

There were 2 XP6M-1 prototypes, both crashed. There were 6 pre-production YP6M-1s, 4 of which served together with 3 production P6M-2s on a single US Navy squadron.

Glenn L Martin Aircraft started up in 1912; Consolidated not until 11 years later and Vultee, who joined with them to form Convair in 1943, didn't start life until 1932.

[Bre901]

BEagle,

You got it all right (as usual) :ok:
I was indeed the Martin P6M Seamaster (http://www.vectorsite.net/avcmast.html)
The familiy I was thinking of was seaplanes.
The first flight of a seaplane took place on March 28th, 1910, by Henri Fabre (see here (http://www.allstar.fiu.edu/aero/history1c.htm) - scroll to middle of the page)

Was it too esoteric ? ;)

Over to you.

[BEagle]

No - just the right combination of esoteric and tantalising facts!:ok: I was away counting car parks (euphemism for visiting Tchermany) and only got back on line properly today, so didn't spot the SeaMaster until today. What an amazing jet it was!

OK - easy one. I'm Moby Deck!

[Bre901]

I know I should ask general questions beforehand ;) Nevertheless, how about :
Airbus A300-600ST Beluga, the flying whale ?

[BEagle]

Nope - not a Beluga!

[Bre901]

Are you a civvie ?

[BEagle]

No.

[treadigraph]

Are you a jet? (How come you got away with a one word answer? ):}

[Bre901]

:E

[BEagle]

I am!

[Bre901]

Are you a bomber ?

[Tim Inder]

Are you from the USA?

Bre901, quite right, not a particularly naval beast, maybe I should read ALL the answers :)

[BEagle]

No.

[Tim Inder]

Good!

Are you British then?

[You want it when?]

Also: Are you single engined?

[BEagle]

Tim Inder, our posts crossed. My 'no' reply was to Bre901's question.

I am from the USA and I have more than 1 engine........

[spekesoftly]

Are you a Tanker ?

[BEagle]

No, not a tanker!

[spekesoftly]

I believe a number of American Aircraft were nicknamed 'The Whale' - are you one of them?

[BEagle]

I'm Moby Deck..... I'm American and have more than 1 engine....

[spekesoftly]

Am I to take it that 'Whale' is a 'Red Herring' !! :E

[BEagle]

That's your decision......

The clues are there!

[LowNSlow]

Beags are you a C-5 Galaxy?

[BEagle]

I most certainly am not!

[Bre901]

Douglas A-3 Skywarrior ?
The electronic warfare version was called "electric whale"

[pigboat]

Curtiss CW-20 (C-46)? Vaguely whale shaped.;)

[BEagle]

I am neither the Skywarrior nor any Curtiss design.........

One of you is close though;)

[Bre901]

then I shall try my second guess :
Northrop Tacit Blue also nicknamed whale.

[BEagle]

Nope - sorry!

[Bre901]

Nevermind

Errmm, you said it was not a Curtiss, but you didn't say it was not a Douglas, did you ? ;)

Douglas F3D (F-10) Skyknight nicknamed "Willie the Whale", then ?

[BEagle]

Yes sir, that's me:

http://www.boeing.com/history/mdc/skyknight.htm

'Moby' = whale

'Deck' = naval

:ok:

You have control, Bre901!!

[Bre901]

Thanks BEagle.

I couldn't be caught short.

[BEagle]

Lockheed Constipation?

[Bre901]

Not that short :p

[spekesoftly]

Rotary or Fixed Wing ?

[Bre901]

Fixed
yet ...

Before you start running, not a tilt-wing or rotor.

[You want it when?]

Are you a Harrier? If not Brit or American?

[Bre901]

Not a Harrier

Neither Brit not US

Looks like the last sentence has frozen your minds. :uhoh:
Or is it the saturday night beer(s) ;)

I actually was known by a US name too, and I flew under US colours (or should I say colors).

[seacue]

Were you Canadian by birth?

[Bre901]

No

[spitfire]

Are you a Shorts Bros aeroplane?

[Bre901]

No, sorry

[spekesoftly]

Are you Military? Prop or Jet?

[Bre901]

Military : yes, but I could also have been a civvie.

Prop

[spitfire]

When you say you "couldn't be caught" is this because you were very fast?

[Bre901]

Not very fast.
The pun is on "short".

[spitfire]

Taylor Titch???

[Bre901]

bigger
Any mil versions of the TT ?

[Bre901]

Not wanting to be called a thread killer, I'll post the answer tonight, so hurry up folks. ;)

Last clue :

The American designation had some kind of relationship with a famous pilot lady.

[Bre901]

Deadline extended to tomorrow noon because of holidays.
The last clue should make it quite easy indeed.

[Archimedes]

I was going to suggest the Pilatus (Turbo) Porter [aka AU-23 Pacemaker] - until I read the last clue, which has me stumped.

[Bre901]

Well, you are right, I am not the Turbo Porter, although I could have been.
But, seen from the US, our origins are not that far away.
And we have much more in common than that (STOL, almost same year, turboprop, yet more on my side).

Did the clue about the lady electrify you ? ;)

[Lindstrim]

Were you built by Helio?

[Bre901]

No built by Helio (but I shared a major feature with the Helios)

I said previously that I was not US built (although I had a US denomination on top of the original one)

[treadigraph]

Not the Breguet 941 STOL transport perchance? I know it had an American connection (didn't Eastern and American evaluate it for STOLport ops? But I can't think who the American partner was or the famous lady pilot - Jackie Cochrane? Convair/GD? Totally on the wrong track?

[Bre901]

Hurrah ! You got it right. :ok: :ok:

I am indeed the Breguet 941 aka McDonnell-Douglas 188.

History of the Breguet 941 (http://aerostories.free.fr/appareils/Br941/page2.html)
American version (http://www.boeing.com/history/mdc/graphics/hist082b.htm)
I love "based on the French Brequet 941" which should actually be understood as "French Breguet 941 repainted" ;)

The common feature with the Helio was the slipstream deflection.

The lady pilot was Amelia Earhart, whose most famous plane was the Lockheed L-10 Electra, and there was another Electra : Lockheed L-188, sorry :ugh:

treadigraph, your go

[BEagle]

I think your link to Amelia Earheart was a bit of a roseate swimming thing. It was bit like saying Smith is like Jones because Smith has a dog, it has 4 legs; Jones has a cat, it also has 4 legs!

I'd thought about the French Breguet 941 - and also the FH227 Spam-built Fokker Friendship, but that wasn't really very STOL. The electric lady pilot reference had me baffled though!

Top marks, treaders!!

[Bre901]

Beagle

will you accept my (renewed) apologies about that, or shall I have to retire under my tent ? :{

[treadigraph]

Thanks Chaps!

I'm off to Cornwall shortly to have my cobwebs blown away - literaly by the sound of the forecast... so somebody keep it going!

I'll try and think up a really cryptic one for when I get back on Monday - so even BEagle and Aerohack have to think for a minute!

Treadders :ok:

[BEagle]

OK - In Hot!

Neither a McD nor a Lockheed but I share something in common with both.....

[Bre901]

American, per chance ?

[Saab Dastard]

3-engined, by any chance?

[BEagle]

Neither American nor tri-motored......

[Saab Dastard]

British?

Jet?

[BEagle]

Yes and yes!

[Bre901]

Military ?

Single-engine ?

[BEagle]

No and no!

[Saab Dastard]

Hmmm,

British, civil, multi-engined jet aircraft...

VC10? Subsequently used as transport / tanker like the L1011 and DC10?

[BEagle]

Nope..............................................

[Saab Dastard]

2 or 4 engines?

Is the commonality a "first" of some kind?

[BEagle]

2 - and I was certainly a first!

[Saab Dastard]

Did I fly commercially?

Am I a prototype or testbed to help with the design of a more famous commercial aircraft?

[BEagle]

Did I fly commercially? - No
Prototype or testbed? - Yes. But to the rest of your question - No!

[Saab Dastard]

Am I the Bristol B 188? There's a Lockheed 188 Electra - dunno about McD?

Just Googled McD and 188 - the F-18 Hornet is designated CF-188!

Learn something new every day!

SD

[BEagle]

Yes - the 'Flaming Pencil' is indeed the right answer:

http://www.rafmuseum.org.uk/bristol-type-188.htm

Bre901's last puzzler was the Breguet 941/McD 188, Lockheed had the 188 Electra - and the Bristol T 188 was a research ac (which managed M1.88!) - the first Brit a/c with engines designed for sustained supersonic flight.

'twas a scale model of the Avro 730, Britain's stillborne supersonic bomber. We really used to make such a/c once....

Over to you, Saab D!!

[Saab Dastard]

Hmmmm.

You'll have to start hunting and end up in Eastern Europe for this one.

[Bre901]

Fighter maybe ?

BEagle :
Nice one :ok:
But you forgot the Junkers 188, the Blohm & Voss P. 188, Cessna 188 Agwagon, Bell D-188 A (XF-109) :p

[Saab Dastard]

Bre - negative fighter.

[LowNSlow]

Are you a licence built version of a British airliner?

[Saab Dastard]

Ahh, yes L&S!

I was trying to be too clever, and hoping you would look for the esoteric!

[BEagle]

BAC One-Eleven. Derived from the Hunting H. 107 design and later built under licence by TAROM of Romania.

[Saab Dastard]

Correct!

Got to go to work now...:(

[BEagle]

Over to you, LowNSlow!

[LowNSlow]

I was designed by a man who refuses to sell any of his designs!

[Bre901]

Are you military ?

[Gary Halliday]

Varieze or are you one that he did for somebody else ?.

[LowNSlow]

No but one of my number did pretend to be aggressive

[Tim Inder]

Are you a Britten-Norman Defender/ Islander / Trislander?

Assuming I'm wrong, do you mean that the chap never sold the rights to his designs, or never sold an aircraft?

[LowNSlow]

Wrong I'm afraid. The gentleman in question still owns all the aircraft he built......

[Tim Inder]

Aha!
You aren't Ken Wallis are you?

[spekesoftly]

I think Tim has got it - Wallis Autogyro - with "Little Nellie" showing the aggression?

[LowNSlow]

Tim you are indeed correct. If you ever want to meet Ken Wallis, he can be spotted in Shipdham on some sunny Saturdays.

spekesoftly you are also correct about Little Nellie

[spekesoftly]

All yours Tim!

[Tim Inder]

Thanks L&S!
I have met him a couple of times, being in the same neck of the woods. Once, as you say, at Shipdham and once at his home/airfield/museum!
What a fascinating place and chap, I only hope I have the same energy when I get to his age!

When I visited a couple of years back, after we'd looked around his hangar/museum, he said "do you want to see a demo?"
Err, go on then..

So, he wheeled one of the machines into the small area outside, and proceeded to fire her up...

Thinks to self: "I'm sure these things can't take off vertically without a headwind"

Whereupon he jumps in, grabs hold of the rotor so it's facing fore-aft and charges off down a pathway with me in hot pursuit!

By the time I catch up, he's taxied to his runway and proceeds to give us a display of the agility and stability (look Ma, no hands, or feet).

I reckon he could have sold a dozen that evening alone!

Anyway, back to the Quiz...

I'm the opposite shape to my name and if I get in trouble I can save myself by getting rid of half the crew!

[seacue]

Lighter than air?

[sycamore]

Shorts Mercury/Maio Composite ?

[Tim Inder]

Seacue and Sycamore, both wrong I'm afraid.

[Bre901]

Military ?

[Tim Inder]

Bre, yes, military.

[Bre901]

Brit ?

[Tim Inder]

Correct again Bre!

[Bre901]

Were you one of those strange-looking post-WWII jet-driven prototypes ?

[Tim Inder]

Not quite!
Well, I was post WWII and jet driven, there was a prototype, though I did go into production as well and as for strange-looking... Well, that's up to you!

[Bre901]

Bomber per chance ?

[Tim Inder]

Not as far as I know. Certainly not designed for that rôle.

[Saab Dastard]

British post war military jet, went into production, not a bomber.

Gloster Javelin? Hardly the svelte lines of a javelin (bulky was an understatement!)

[Tim Inder]

Well done, Saab!

Over to you...

[Bre901]

Tim Inder if I get in trouble I can save myself by getting rid of half the crewCould you elaborate, please. I couldn't find anything about that (quick search from this side of the Channel, that is)

[Saab Dastard]

Thanks, Tim - Not sure about the crew, bit, tho?

Just seen Bre's query!

SD

[Bre901]

Saab Dastard

No need to wait for Tim Inder's answer for you to start, you have the floor :ok:

[Saab Dastard]

OK, Bre,

I'm better known as a gate (W.33 is the specific one, by the way)

[Tim Inder]

Apparently, if the mighty Flatiron got into a deep stall, the only way to recover was for the nav to bang out.

Either the resultant "push" down on the front or the change in airflow (or a bit of both!) was sufficient to regain a nose-down attitude.

I can't remember where I read/heard it, so if someone more knowledgeable would like to elaborate...

Ok, Mr. Dastard,

Are you the Hansa-Brandenburg (gate) W.33?
Like this one (http://www.wwi-models.org/Photos/AH/HB_W33/)

[BEagle]

Can't be the Lancaster? Lancaster Gate is W2!

York? No - Yorkgate is Belfast BT15.

Perhaps the Supermarine 'Shutthedamn"?


Ahha - Tim has it!

[Saab Dastard]

Tim's got a hole in one!

[Tim Inder]

Dar.. I mean Hurrah!

Oh, now I've got to think of another one...

I don't live at the bottom of your garden, but I chase some of the things that do.

Pick the bones out of that!!:}

[BEagle]

Fairey Flycatcher!

[Tim Inder]

Well, that didn't take too long!

Best I could think of at that time, I think the first bit was a giveaway!

You have control...

[BEagle]

'twas a bit of a give-away, so have another go Tim!

[Tim Inder]

Hmm...

My beauty is in the eye of the beer-holder, although you can see my front twice in the "Susannah in suspenders" thread!

[Bre901]

errrm

Heinkel-111 maybe ?

[Saab Dastard]

Messerschmitt BF 109?

[Tim Inder]

Shame on you both!

Do you really think I'd make it THAT easy?!

Think devious!!:}

[Bre901]

DHC-2 Beaver then ?
Must've spent too much time in JB ;)

[BEagle]

A twin Bristol, perhaps:E

[LowNSlow]

Are you that triple finned wonder the Miles Messenger?

[Saab Dastard]

Shagbat? :p

Morane camisole?

Shorts Sunderwearland? :D

Seriously, though -

Military?

British?

Piston?

"Beer" holder - Spitfire (too obvious), but how about Pilatus Porter?

Not ME 109, but what about the HISPANO HA-1112 M1L BUCHON?

[Tim Inder]

BEagle - like it! bonus point I feel!

Good edit there, Mister D!

Although in the words of the Irish fella that used to do "Catchphreease" on the box:
"It's a good answer, but it's not right!"

You're thinking laterally not literally, which is what you'll need to do.

Mil? Yup
Brit? Nope
Piston? Nope

one more clue - not in service (at least in its own country) any more.

Bre901 either you eyesight or your imagination's better than mine!!! :oh:

[Saab Dastard]

Leading man / woman in a war film is a "Star fighter", so Lockheed F-104?

AKA "Widow maker", tho' CP was burnt, not killed in the film IIRC

[Tim Inder]

Colder. Much colder.

Ok, the front of me appears twice in the TITLE of that thread.

[Saab Dastard]

I thought I had it with Saab J-29 "Tunnen", or Flying Barrel,

But the clue in the title is SU, isn't it - so Sukhoi, and the Sukhoi
Su-15 NATO codename: Flagon

If that's not it I'll eat my PPRuNe hat (when I buy it)

SD

[Tim Inder]

:mad: I thought it'd last a bit longer than that!!

Oh well, you can put your knife and fork down now!

Then put your thinking cap on - I reckon it's nearly as hard to think of a half-decent subject as it is to guess one...

[Saab Dastard]

Tim Inder,

I thought that was a jolly good clue and the length of time solving it is not necessarily proportional to the enjoyment! :ok:

I know what you mean about thinking cap, tho! :confused:

Right, then.

My name has been used again later and a designation has been used again later - I'm also about 39mm long and 6.5mm across

[Tim Inder]

How thick are you? (the object/aeroplane thngy :) )

[Bre901]

DH Hornet, per chance ?

[Tim Inder]

Can't be - according to Google, they're only 30mm long!! ;)

[Saab Dastard]

Tisn't the Hornet.

Don't worry about how thick I am!

[Tim Inder]

Could the thing that I am named after reasonably be said to be a common household object?

[Saab Dastard]

negative household object!

[Bre901]

Brit ?
Military ?

[Saab Dastard]

Military, not British

[Tim Inder]

So it's not the Short Screw then! :)
what am I made from?

[Saab Dastard]

No indeed, and not sloe, comfortable or up against a wall either!

Made from the same stuff that most military aircraft of this period were made from.

(the dimension for "across" could also be described as "diameter", but don't get hung up on it.)

[Bre901]

Jet or propeller ?

[Saab Dastard]

Propellor

And I'm off to bed now. Toodle-pip

SD

[Tim Inder]

Ok, I've thought long and hard about this one...

Are you American?

[Saab Dastard]

Affirmative, Tim

[Bre901]

were you in operation during WWII ?

[Saab Dastard]

Yes, Bre901, I was operational in WWII

[Saab Dastard]

I'm going to be offline until about 17.30 UTC today - feel free to leapfrog this if you want.

SD

[Saab Dastard]

Oh, Dear - I hope I haven't killed this thread? :confused:

[Airbedane]

I don't think anyone could kill this thread SD, it's too well established.

Anyway, american, name used twice, WWII, prop and round fus:

F4 Corsair perhaps,

but I don't see where the 39 x 6.5 mm comes in?

[Archimedes]

Were you an aggressive aeroplane?

I had thought of of Grasshopper or Dragonfly the liaison types) but can't think of how either designation was re-used.

[Saab Dastard]

Whew, thanks, chaps, I was worried for a minute:O

None of the names are right, but I was an aggressive aeroplane.

ps - Airbedane, you will see the where the dimensions come in. You are right, both the Corsair name and designation were re-used, so to specify the aircraft I'm thinking of, I needed a unique differentiator - hence the extra clue.

When you get the name, the dims will make sense.

SD

[Archimedes]

Er....

<tries to apply logic>

Let's assume that it (or a derivative) had an aggressive role in WW2. The designation, therefore, might be an uncommon one. To be reused, it can't be a USN designator, although it might be a USN a/c employed by the USAAF. Since the Pursuit designation went, it can't be a straightforward 'P-something'.

So...


Er.....

Help!

[Saab Dastard]

Archimedes, note that I said "a designation", not "the designation"...

[London Jets]

single engle?

fighter?

tailwheel undercarriage?

[Saab Dastard]

LJ -

Negative
Positive
Negative

[Archimedes]

SD,

Sigh - until I edited the post, I'd spotted that...

I was thinking of something like the F-5 Lightning or the F-8 Mosquito - but for the first, the dimensions don't fit, and for the second (for which the dims might not fit), I don't know of a re-use of Mosquito (apart from what I thought was informal use for T-6s in Korea)

[London Jets]

Brewster SB2A Buccaneer

Hawker Siddeley Buccaneer SB2

Hows that for you?

[Saab Dastard]

Very ingenious, but sorry, not right. And where is the 39 x 6.5 mm?

And, indeed, the second engine? ;)

[London Jets]

I was going with a length of 39'2" but wasn't sure on the 6.5mm!! oh well, I'll keep on trying!!

[Archimedes]

So not the F-5 Lightning...

If the WW2 F-15 had been called the Black Widow, I'd have plumped for that...

Am I any nearer, or still miles away (or 39mm, for that matter)?

[Saab Dastard]

Archimedes has it!!

The Black widow spider is 39mm x 6.4mm. The P61 Black widow was also designated F-15A (or F-15R) for a post-war reconnaisance version and the YF-23 is the Black Widow (II).

Well done

[Archimedes]

Phew! (I confess, I thought that the F-15 was the 'Reporter', which, I suppose was the last clue?).

Since I can't guarantee being around tomorrow, better make this simple so someone can get it tonight!

I came from the Laurels of my older brother.

[London Jets]

are you a jet?

are you comercial or military?

are you british?

[Archimedes]

LJ

Negative
Military
Yes

[Bre901]

Evening all, busy week-end & monday

Are you not the Percival Proctor (and Vega Gull) ?

[Saab Dastard]

Hawker Hardy, derived from the Hart?

As in Stan Laurel and Oliver...

[Archimedes]

Saab - you have control!

[Saab Dastard]

OK.

Me, I'm mythical

[Peter Barron]

Are you a British jet fighter ?

[Airbedane]

Nah......................................He's Hercules!

[Saab Dastard]

I'm not a british jet fighter (do you want to rephrase the question?) ;)

Not Hercules

[Airbedane]

ARE YOU AN ENGINE??????????????????????????????????????????????

[Saab Dastard]

No, I'm not that mean!

[Peter Barron]

American jet ?, got one in mind

[Saab Dastard]

Not American, no

[Peter Barron]

Well, if its not American then its not what I am thinking of, b****r.;)

Are you British then ?

[Saab Dastard]

Not British, no.

[treadigraph]

Western European?

[Saab Dastard]

Oh yes, Treaders

[treadigraph]

Well that narrowed it down slightly... :ok:

Saab Draken?

[Saab Dastard]

Aaarghh, you got me!

I couldn't resist the temptation!

Over to you, Treaders

[treadigraph]

Sorry, bin yakking...

Errrr..... My first is a common association, my second is very useful after a few pints...

[Saab Dastard]

my second is very useful after a few pints...

...and you should know, dear boy :D

Are you British?

[treadigraph]

Afraid not old boy...

[Saab Dastard]

Are you American?

[treadigraph]

Nope........................