Ryanair/Buzz link-up ?
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Ryanair/Buzz link-up ?
The Dutch carrier KLM is considering a collaboration between its low cost Buzz airline and its rival Ryanair, according to Dutch media at the weekend.
The reports, quoting unnamed sources within KLM, said that the Dutch airline is hoping for a code-sharing agreement between Buzz and Ryanair.
Last year KLM announced it would focus more on the low cost market as budget flights looked promising for the future with growth estimated at 20% between 2002 and 2005.
http://www.rte.ie/aertel/p134.htm
'reports', 'unnamed sources', surely there's no truth in this?
The reports, quoting unnamed sources within KLM, said that the Dutch airline is hoping for a code-sharing agreement between Buzz and Ryanair.
Last year KLM announced it would focus more on the low cost market as budget flights looked promising for the future with growth estimated at 20% between 2002 and 2005.
http://www.rte.ie/aertel/p134.htm
'reports', 'unnamed sources', surely there's no truth in this?
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Please let this be a wind-up...
I sincerely hope there is no truth in this...
I regularly fly with Buzz, but my last Ryanair flight nearly scared me out of my wits. At that point I decided I would never fly with them again.
KLM - Please don't do it!
I regularly fly with Buzz, but my last Ryanair flight nearly scared me out of my wits. At that point I decided I would never fly with them again.
KLM - Please don't do it!
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...and from the BBC(13/1)
No specific mention of link with Ryanair.
"KLM Royal Dutch airlines is in talks with various partners to expand its low-cost airline Buzz. Buzz is currently the third-largest no-frills airline in Europe, after Britain's Easyjet and Ryanair from Ireland.
"Buzz has a fleet of 12 planes, but we want to extend that to 30-40 planes by 2006," a KLM spokesman said.
He added KLM was looking for external partners to spread the financial risk. KLM is interested in expanding Buzz because low-cost airlines actually make money
"Planes cost money and we rather buy them with a partner than on our own."
Low-cost airlines such as Easyjet and Ryanair enjoy growing demand within Europe, whereas traditional carriers such as KLM and British Airways have suffered from the global economic slowdown and the aviation downturn prompted by the September 11 attacks.
Easyjet, which last year bought out budget carrier Go, told BBC News Online it had no plans to take part in a Buzz deal.
KLM said last year it wanted to expand its low-cost business, with analysts predicting the market for cheap no-frills budget flights is set to grow at an annual rate of 20% between 2002 and 2005.
"In five years time, one-quarter of all air passengers in Europe will fly with a low-cost airline," trhe KLM spokesman said.
"That number is now one in almost ten, so there is a lot of potential for growth.
"More importantly, KLM is interested in expanding Buzz because low-cost airlines actually make money."
He added that Buzz was expected to wrap up talks with prospective partners in the first half of this year. Set up in 1999 from London Stansted airport, Buzz now flies to 24 destinations in Germany, France, Britain and The Netherlands.
KLM will release its third quarter results on January 23. Like many other traditional airlines, the Dutch carrier has not had an easy ride recently. On January 6, it warned it might make an operating loss because the troubled global economy and threats of war were affecting traffic. Last December, a court ordered KLM to pay its Italian counterpart Alitalia £157m as a penalty for walking away from an alliance between the two carriers.
In Amsterdam, shares in KLM fell by 0.10 euros to 8.90 euros."
"KLM Royal Dutch airlines is in talks with various partners to expand its low-cost airline Buzz. Buzz is currently the third-largest no-frills airline in Europe, after Britain's Easyjet and Ryanair from Ireland.
"Buzz has a fleet of 12 planes, but we want to extend that to 30-40 planes by 2006," a KLM spokesman said.
He added KLM was looking for external partners to spread the financial risk. KLM is interested in expanding Buzz because low-cost airlines actually make money
"Planes cost money and we rather buy them with a partner than on our own."
Low-cost airlines such as Easyjet and Ryanair enjoy growing demand within Europe, whereas traditional carriers such as KLM and British Airways have suffered from the global economic slowdown and the aviation downturn prompted by the September 11 attacks.
Easyjet, which last year bought out budget carrier Go, told BBC News Online it had no plans to take part in a Buzz deal.
KLM said last year it wanted to expand its low-cost business, with analysts predicting the market for cheap no-frills budget flights is set to grow at an annual rate of 20% between 2002 and 2005.
"In five years time, one-quarter of all air passengers in Europe will fly with a low-cost airline," trhe KLM spokesman said.
"That number is now one in almost ten, so there is a lot of potential for growth.
"More importantly, KLM is interested in expanding Buzz because low-cost airlines actually make money."
He added that Buzz was expected to wrap up talks with prospective partners in the first half of this year. Set up in 1999 from London Stansted airport, Buzz now flies to 24 destinations in Germany, France, Britain and The Netherlands.
KLM will release its third quarter results on January 23. Like many other traditional airlines, the Dutch carrier has not had an easy ride recently. On January 6, it warned it might make an operating loss because the troubled global economy and threats of war were affecting traffic. Last December, a court ordered KLM to pay its Italian counterpart Alitalia £157m as a penalty for walking away from an alliance between the two carriers.
In Amsterdam, shares in KLM fell by 0.10 euros to 8.90 euros."
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When pigs fly will Ryanair link up with another airline. They have nothing to gain if they are already dominant in a market. If they are not dominant they will give the flights away for free for a few months to get rid of the competition.
Maybe a link up with a transatlantic airline would be wiser, perhaps.
Maybe a link up with a transatlantic airline would be wiser, perhaps.
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I see nothing here about codesharing.
What I do see is Buzz looking for cheap 319s or 738s. Can't imagine Boeing being too pleased at airlines clubbing together for bulk buys, given the deal MOL has probably screwed out of them!
What I do see is Buzz looking for cheap 319s or 738s. Can't imagine Boeing being too pleased at airlines clubbing together for bulk buys, given the deal MOL has probably screwed out of them!
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Ryanair denies buzz tie-up
Ryanair has refuted suggestions in the Dutch press that it is considering collaborating with KLM-owned budget carrier buzz.
Dutch daily Algemeen Dagblad reported over the weekend that KLM was hoping to set up a codeshare agreement between buzz and Ryanair, citing unnamed sources within KLM.
But Ryanair said today it was simply co-operating with other budget airlines, including easyJet and buzz, ‘on a number of common issues of interest to European consumers, such as fixed EU compensation penalties and the CAA review of NATS’ price increases.’
KLM, meanwhile, confirmed it was seeking a tie-up for buzz. Bart Koster, KLM spokesman, declined to comment specifically on the Algemeen Dagblad report, but told the Associated Press: ‘The only thing I can say is that KLM is in talks with several prospective partners for buzz. We are looking at three types of partnerships: financial backers, other no-frills airlines and partners who can complement buzz either in terms of airports or fleet for example.’
Ryanair has refuted suggestions in the Dutch press that it is considering collaborating with KLM-owned budget carrier buzz.
Dutch daily Algemeen Dagblad reported over the weekend that KLM was hoping to set up a codeshare agreement between buzz and Ryanair, citing unnamed sources within KLM.
But Ryanair said today it was simply co-operating with other budget airlines, including easyJet and buzz, ‘on a number of common issues of interest to European consumers, such as fixed EU compensation penalties and the CAA review of NATS’ price increases.’
KLM, meanwhile, confirmed it was seeking a tie-up for buzz. Bart Koster, KLM spokesman, declined to comment specifically on the Algemeen Dagblad report, but told the Associated Press: ‘The only thing I can say is that KLM is in talks with several prospective partners for buzz. We are looking at three types of partnerships: financial backers, other no-frills airlines and partners who can complement buzz either in terms of airports or fleet for example.’
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The Dutch carrier KLM is considering a collaboration between its low cost Buzz airline and its rival Ryanair, according to Dutch media at the weekend.
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jaw 2001; As of last November, KLMuk is purely the employer/AOC holder for buzz, the blue fleet now being a separate company called KLCuk. Since 1997 KLMuk (Air UK if you prefer), has been 100% owned by KLM, so yes, buzz is owned by KLM.
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Its the truth....Buzz is sold to Ryanair. 400 of the 600 employees have to go.
Ryan was only interested in the slots, the aircrafts and to get rid of a competitor.
The last dutch lowcost carrier is now basiq air....operated by Transavia.
visit www.basiqair.com
Here our profession goes down the drain................
