Norwich

[tommynwi]

Thanks as always to Mark for the regular updates.

Showing some good figures there on the new Ryanair routes. Hopefully this is just the start of a new era for the airport. Definitely scope for some more harp services to the sunshine.

Would be good to see TUI expand a little more beyond their usual routes. Their offering has been the same now for many years, although that said, they do have some good loads.

Not many more places to look to for expansion at NWI these days. KLM doing very well with their Amsterdam route and Loganair holding up on Aberdeen. Cannot see anything else likely in the near future.

[markhillmana320flyer]

Originally Posted by tommynwi

Thanks as always to Mark for the regular updates.

Showing some good figures there on the new Ryanair routes. Hopefully this is just the start of a new era for the airport. Definitely scope for some more harp services to the sunshine.

Would be good to see TUI expand a little more beyond their usual routes. Their offering has been the same now for many years, although that said, they do have some good loads.

Not many more places to look to for expansion at NWI these days. KLM doing very well with their Amsterdam route and Loganair holding up on Aberdeen. Cannot see anything else likely in the near future.

No problem tommy

Yes I agree certainly scope for 2 or 3 more Sun destinations from Ryanair, as they look to realisticly be the ones that will provide growth at the airport, which looks to surpass pre covid numbers this year.

TUI has certainly stagnated at NWI with the same old destinations which is fine as clearly they make them money otherwise they wouldn't have had the summer base for now heading to 10 years. However they were going to launch Antalya, then Covid came and ended that. So perhaps we can hope we might see Antalya added in the future.

I think we all know Norwich is never going to be much more than Amsterdam, Aberdeen and the Sun destinations, however Ryanair have shown that there are some gaps still to be filled with certainly enough demand in the catchment.

[azzbo]

I'm amazed more hasn't been made out of the ADF situation. I use KLM to go to The Netherlands and usually go to Stansted to get Ryanair sun flights so great to see such strong loadings and talk about growth but it's a really unfair situation and should be the same for all airlines.

[markhillmana320flyer]

Originally Posted by azzbo

I'm amazed more hasn't been made out of the ADF situation. I use KLM to go to The Netherlands and usually go to Stansted to get Ryanair sun flights so great to see such strong loadings and talk about growth but it's a really unfair situation and should be the same for all airlines.

It's a very interesting one, the official line from the airport is that it is included in the Ryanair ticket price and this is now open for the other airlines who use Norwich to do it this way.

However a family member recently booked a one way ticket Norwich - Malta as a one way fare £21.99 popped up as a deal, so they couldn't refuse, they showed me after booking the break down of their fare and no where in that was a £10 fee. So I rather think the airport is bending the truth and realistically Ryanair do not pay for the £10 fee on their pax behalf, let's be honest this isn't the Ryanair way. So yes it's safe to say there is not £10 fee for Ryanair pax despite the official line.

But I completely agree with you it should not be one rule for one and not the other, so really it needs TUI, KLM to say to the airport do what you did for Ryanair or we are off. But with 116,198 using the KLM service in 2023 going into the AMS network and TUI's near 10 year summer based operation, it's clear they both satisfied that they probably aren't bothered as they get the pax and one assumes the yield so this won't happen unfortunately.

[LW940]

Originally Posted by markhillmana320flyer

It's a very interesting one, the official line from the airport is that it is included in the Ryanair ticket price and this is now open for the other airlines who use Norwich to do it this way.

However a family member recently booked a one way ticket Norwich - Malta as a one way fare £21.99 popped up as a deal, so they couldn't refuse, they showed me after booking the break down of their fare and no where in that was a £10 fee. So I rather think the airport is bending the truth and realistically Ryanair do not pay for the £10 fee on their pax behalf, let's be honest this isn't the Ryanair way. So yes it's safe to say there is not £10 fee for Ryanair pax despite the official line.

But I completely agree with you it should not be one rule for one and not the other, so really it needs TUI, KLM to say to the airport do what you did for Ryanair or we are off. But with 116,198 using the KLM service in 2023 going into the AMS network and TUI's near 10 year summer based operation, it's clear they both satisfied that they probably aren't bothered as they get the pax and one assumes the yield so this won't happen unfortunately.

i wonder if there is demand for a Dublin service with Ryanair in the future? They use to operate a 2x weekly at BOH last summer and currently fly to NQY, 3x weekly and CWL 4x weekly! Maybe a 2x weekly leisure service could work?

I agree that PMI, AGP are possibly the next steps for growth.

As a CWL supporter we was hoping for a PMI service this summer but lost out to EXT, and a return of MLA which lost to NWI. We did get 3x ALC and a weekly TFS; although we too are hoping for a PMI service for S25 also!

[EI-BUD]

Great to see NWI expansion and new FR routes from the airport. 738 way to big for a DUB route, the route would struggle to get adequate loafs without giveaway prices. Some traders must remember when Flybe flew the route probably in the middle of the last decade. To achieve targets they paid people to fly on the route and it hit the media for the wrong reasons, soon after was withdrawn. Routes to the east coast of England names Norwich, Manston, Humberside and even add Southend have always been tough ones.

[jmdavies86]

Originally Posted by EI-BUD

Great to see NWI expansion and new FR routes from the airport. 738 way to big for a DUB route, the route would struggle to get adequate loafs without giveaway prices.

What about Aer Lingus Regional (Emerald Airlines) using a smaller ATR72; they could serve both their DUB & BHD hubs by operating something similar to how they serve the DUB-BRS-ORK-BRS-DUB route, so DUB-NWI-BHD-NWI-DUB.

This would also give NWI-based passengers another option when it comes to onward connections over the Atlantic, and the ability to make use of US Preclearance at DUB.

[markhillmana320flyer]

Originally Posted by jmdavies86

What about Aer Lingus Regional (Emerald Airlines) using a smaller ATR72; they could serve both their DUB & BHD hubs by operating something similar to how they serve the DUB-BRS-ORK-BRS-DUB route, so DUB-NWI-BHD-NWI-DUB.

This would also give NWI-based passengers another option when it comes to onward connections over the Atlantic, and the ability to make use of US Preclearance at DUB.

Yes this an interesting point, I agree with the poster above yourself that it was a disaster when it last operated which is believe was in 07/08 and flybe did it. It did not generate the loads, of course the population has increased slightly in the area, in fact Norfolk is the 7th most populated non metropolitan county in the UK and that's out of 21. However Ryanair would be to large to operate the route, plus with so many daily flights from Stansted alone I just don't think they would want to. EI would be the most logical one with the smaller A/C type and the connections through to the US would be fantastic but again would there be enough to support this, probably not, also would KLM want that possibly not.

Since Covid Norwich has lost nearly all its domestic connections MAN, EDI, EXT, with ABZ still standing thanks to the Oil and gas.

Baring AMS and ABZ it has really now become a Sun destination Airport, which certianly looks to be successful with TUI and now Ryanair. With still a few gaps to fill probably before it reaches its limit for the catchment area.

Antalya, Tunisia, Malaga and another Canaries destination would probably be those gaps from what the locals post on Facebook and other sites in response to the airports ads.

Of course if it scrapped the £10 fee could that change things, who knows

[Asturias56]

"Since Covid Norwich has lost nearly all its domestic connections MAN, EDI, EXT, with ABZ still standing thanks to the Oil and gas."

that won't last long - all political parties seem to want to run the O&G industry into the ground

https://www.proactiveinvestors.co.uk...n-1049169.htmlJersey Oil and Gas PLC (AIM:JOG, OTC:JYOGF) has cautioned that the UK general election could potentially slow the delivery of its Buchan gas field project. The company, in a statement ahead of today’s AGM, told investors that activities continue for the Buchan project to be ready for Field Development Plan (FDP) approval by the end of this year. But, JOG and its partners have assessed the implications of the upcoming UK General Election in July 2024 and their plan for progressing the project. And, they conclude that the exact timing for achieving its targeted timeline will be tied to securing fiscal clarity from the next government.

[markhillmana320flyer]

Originally Posted by Asturias56

"Since Covid Norwich has lost nearly all its domestic connections MAN, EDI, EXT, with ABZ still standing thanks to the Oil and gas."

that won't last long - all political parties seem to want to run the O&G industry into the ground

https://www.proactiveinvestors.co.uk...n-1049169.htmlJersey Oil and Gas PLC (AIM:JOG, OTC:JYOGF) has cautioned that the UK general election could potentially slow the delivery of its Buchan gas field project. The company, in a statement ahead of today’s AGM, told investors that activities continue for the Buchan project to be ready for Field Development Plan (FDP) approval by the end of this year. But, JOG and its partners have assessed the implications of the upcoming UK General Election in July 2024 and their plan for progressing the project. And, they conclude that the exact timing for achieving its targeted timeline will be tied to securing fiscal clarity from the next government.

That doesn't surprise me in the slightest