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What's the realistic next fleet steps for TUI?
Jethros shows 11 38M on order but already 16 aircraft on lease. The 73X deliveries are a long way off. There is always a lot of talk about local expansion i.e. the 3rd BOH based aircraft in 25, but I cannot see the viability to do so in the short term.
I remember reading on here about a year ago about the CEO being courted by Airbus, but that clearly came to nothing.
Jethros shows 11 38M on order but already 16 aircraft on lease. The 73X deliveries are a long way off. There is always a lot of talk about local expansion i.e. the 3rd BOH based aircraft in 25, but I cannot see the viability to do so in the short term.
I remember reading on here about a year ago about the CEO being courted by Airbus, but that clearly came to nothing.
One saving grace is that as of yet, the ACMI operation regarding TUI UK, appears to be more reliable than it was last year. Am I correct? Thank God for Titan (Short term) and others (Long term). They had a maximum of 20 last year, but to have yet to achieve this figure this year as it currently stands
What is apparent is that like so many other UK airlines, TUI made plans on new aircraft joining their fleets at least 3-4 years ago, (Probably much longer). Yet all have been let down for a variety of reasons that have put them in the position they now find themselves in.
Thus, the influx of ‘airline’ operators who rely on the need for their services regarding cover.
I do wonder if the supply of new a/c (And spares) once resolved will lead to a decline of ACMI operators (Will that happen in my remaining lifetime?).
I presume this is something nobody has a conclusive answer to, yet you have to have some compassion for airlines whose forward planning has been constrained by aircraft manufacturers, and promises.
What is apparent is that like so many other UK airlines, TUI made plans on new aircraft joining their fleets at least 3-4 years ago, (Probably much longer). Yet all have been let down for a variety of reasons that have put them in the position they now find themselves in.
Thus, the influx of ‘airline’ operators who rely on the need for their services regarding cover.
I do wonder if the supply of new a/c (And spares) once resolved will lead to a decline of ACMI operators (Will that happen in my remaining lifetime?).
I presume this is something nobody has a conclusive answer to, yet you have to have some compassion for airlines whose forward planning has been constrained by aircraft manufacturers, and promises.
I was travelling back from Inverness to Gatwick on Friday with easyJet and a TUI flight to Palma had a delay of over NINE hours (the flight was operated by Albastar). Passengers were given vouchers and told if they wanted to could leave the airport and go home! Talked to a few passengers and they chose this flight as it was more convenient than trudging to Aberdeen. Shades of the 1980s and 90s.
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Does anyone know when G-TUMY and G-TUMZ are going to join the UK fleet as were due originally by end of May and also will G-TUOA and G-TUOB be here by the 1st of July for the start of the summer peak season
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G-TUMZ is flight planned from MAN to NCL tonight so looks to have already arrived. G-TUMY appears to be still at Boeing.
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Having decided on going to Rhodes for my holiday travelling on a tuesday I was disheartened to find that BY4248 on the 11th jun did not operate on schedule. For some reason it was linked to 4263 that was scheduled to arrive at the same time as 4248 was due to depart ( i hope TUI paid compensation for the delays). On flight mapper it would seem that it should have been paired with 4231 which arrived back to LGW at 1356. 4248 was due to depart at 1525 so it might have had a miniscule delay. Unlike what really happened as 4263 arrived back at LGW at 1546 and left for rhodes at 1945. 4hrs and 20 mins late. Has anyone got a reson or thought why such a cock up happened when g-tuif was available from its flight back from PMI. I can only hope that they have sorted this out by the time I am due to fly.
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Having decided on going to Rhodes for my holiday travelling on a tuesday I was disheartened to find that BY4248 on the 11th jun did not operate on schedule. For some reason it was linked to 4263 that was scheduled to arrive at the same time as 4248 was due to depart ( i hope TUI paid compensation for the delays). On flight mapper it would seem that it should have been paired with 4231 which arrived back to LGW at 1356. 4248 was due to depart at 1525 so it might have had a miniscule delay. Unlike what really happened as 4263 arrived back at LGW at 1546 and left for rhodes at 1945. 4hrs and 20 mins late. Has anyone got a reson or thought why such a cock up happened when g-tuif was available from its flight back from PMI. I can only hope that they have sorted this out by the time I am due to fly.
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If things go wrong deal with it afterwards. There can be a multitude of reasons why flights are delayed.
Enjoy your holiday and hopefully everything goes well.
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I was not particulary worried about my flight but about the many flights that have been delayed by the inability of planners, not leaving sufficient ground times between landings and departures. Correct scheduling would alleviate most of TUI delays. I accept that unserviceability may affect some aircraft, but I have seen many flight delays caused purely because arrivals and departures are virtually at the same time. Are TUI using AI to do their planning instead of manually checking spacing to account for offload/cleaning/refuel/and reloading/catering requirements. I do this as a hobby, so surely the proffessionals should be able to get it so I can't find faults in the system. I note that they manage to get slip crews at their correct destinations for long range flights OK, without having delays on the return flights.
I was not particulary worried about my flight but about the many flights that have been delayed by the inability of planners, not leaving sufficient ground times between landings and departures. Correct scheduling would alleviate most of TUI delays. I accept that unserviceability may affect some aircraft, but I have seen many flight delays caused purely because arrivals and departures are virtually at the same time. Are TUI using AI to do their planning instead of manually checking spacing to account for offload/cleaning/refuel/and reloading/catering requirements. I do this as a hobby, so surely the proffessionals should be able to get it so I can't find faults in the system. I note that they manage to get slip crews at their correct destinations for long range flights OK, without having delays on the return flights.
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I was not particulary worried about my flight but about the many flights that have been delayed by the inability of planners, not leaving sufficient ground times between landings and departures. Correct scheduling would alleviate most of TUI delays. I accept that unserviceability may affect some aircraft, but I have seen many flight delays caused purely because arrivals and departures are virtually at the same time. Are TUI using AI to do their planning instead of manually checking spacing to account for offload/cleaning/refuel/and reloading/catering requirements. I do this as a hobby, so surely the proffessionals should be able to get it so I can't find faults in the system. I note that they manage to get slip crews at their correct destinations for long range flights OK, without having delays on the return flights.
I just spent my evening shouting at the TV giving the best advice I could to a top flight international football team - I don't even like football that much, and it definitely isn't my hobby.
It is, however, the equivalent of what you are doing to the TUI schedulers.
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We seem to have lost track on my original question, how did they manage to cock up on that particular a/f?
Who said they cocked up?
There could be countless reasons why this decision was made. It may look like a mistake but in reality someone made a decision for a reason we don’t know….possibly choosing the least worst option available to them.
There could be countless reasons why this decision was made. It may look like a mistake but in reality someone made a decision for a reason we don’t know….possibly choosing the least worst option available to them.
Having decided on going to Rhodes for my holiday travelling on a tuesday I was disheartened to find that BY4248 on the 11th jun did not operate on schedule. For some reason it was linked to 4263 that was scheduled to arrive at the same time as 4248 was due to depart ( i hope TUI paid compensation for the delays). On flight mapper it would seem that it should have been paired with 4231 which arrived back to LGW at 1356. 4248 was due to depart at 1525 so it might have had a miniscule delay. Unlike what really happened as 4263 arrived back at LGW at 1546 and left for rhodes at 1945. 4hrs and 20 mins late. Has anyone got a reson or thought why such a cock up happened when g-tuif was available from its flight back from PMI. I can only hope that they have sorted this out by the time I am due to fly.
aircraft 1: TOM4262/3 LGW-KGS-LGW 06:00-11:55/13:20-15:25, then the aircraft is parked up until Wednesday
aircraft 2: TOM4230/1 LGW-PMI-LGW 06:15-09:30/10:45-12:10, then TOM4248/9 LGW-RHO-LGW 15:25-21:25/22:40-00:50
for some reason the aircraft operating back into LGW on TOM4231, did not fly again unitl the following day, maybe the aircraft went tech as it was getting ready to operate TOM4248, so they "pinched" the aircraft that flew on TOM4263, to operate the TOM4248, with a delay of a few hours. Then they had all afternoon/night to fix the tech aircraft, so it was ready for Wednesday. This happens all the time, these events happen!
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