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Old 8th Jun 2024, 20:56
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Originally Posted by BOHskies
What's the realistic next fleet steps for TUI?

Jethros shows 11 38M on order but already 16 aircraft on lease. The 73X deliveries are a long way off. There is always a lot of talk about local expansion i.e. the 3rd BOH based aircraft in 25, but I cannot see the viability to do so in the short term.

I remember reading on here about a year ago about the CEO being courted by Airbus, but that clearly came to nothing.
What seems to be happening is that when MAX8’s go to the Belgian, German or scandi subsidiaries to replace B738’s, TUI UK seem to be getting the 738’s to add to their fleet. I think if the MAX10’s were here by now this wouldn’t have happened but it seems to be their stopgap solution
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One saving grace is that as of yet, the ACMI operation regarding TUI UK, appears to be more reliable than it was last year. Am I correct? Thank God for Titan (Short term) and others (Long term). They had a maximum of 20 last year, but to have yet to achieve this figure this year as it currently stands

What is apparent is that like so many other UK airlines, TUI made plans on new aircraft joining their fleets at least 3-4 years ago, (Probably much longer). Yet all have been let down for a variety of reasons that have put them in the position they now find themselves in.

Thus, the influx of ‘airline’ operators who rely on the need for their services regarding cover.

I do wonder if the supply of new a/c (And spares) once resolved will lead to a decline of ACMI operators (Will that happen in my remaining lifetime?).

I presume this is something nobody has a conclusive answer to, yet you have to have some compassion for airlines whose forward planning has been constrained by aircraft manufacturers, and promises.
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"Thank God for Titan".

A fictional character shouldn’t be used in such a manner.
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I was travelling back from Inverness to Gatwick on Friday with easyJet and a TUI flight to Palma had a delay of over NINE hours (the flight was operated by Albastar). Passengers were given vouchers and told if they wanted to could leave the airport and go home! Talked to a few passengers and they chose this flight as it was more convenient than trudging to Aberdeen. Shades of the 1980s and 90s.
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Old 10th Jun 2024, 10:47
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Does anyone know when G-TUMY and G-TUMZ are going to join the UK fleet as were due originally by end of May and also will G-TUOA and G-TUOB be here by the 1st of July for the start of the summer peak season
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Does anyone know when G-TUMY and G-TUMZ are going to join the UK fleet as were due originally by end of May and also will G-TUOA and G-TUOB be here by the 1st of July for the start of the summer peak season
G-TUMZ is flight planned from MAN to NCL tonight so looks to have already arrived. G-TUMY appears to be still at Boeing.
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G-TUMZ is flight planned from MAN to NCL tonight so looks to have already arrived. G-TUMY appears to be still at Boeing.
G-TUMZ is still in Seattle
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G-TUMZ delivery flight into MAN tomorrow 11 June 2024
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Having decided on going to Rhodes for my holiday travelling on a tuesday I was disheartened to find that BY4248 on the 11th jun did not operate on schedule. For some reason it was linked to 4263 that was scheduled to arrive at the same time as 4248 was due to depart ( i hope TUI paid compensation for the delays). On flight mapper it would seem that it should have been paired with 4231 which arrived back to LGW at 1356. 4248 was due to depart at 1525 so it might have had a miniscule delay. Unlike what really happened as 4263 arrived back at LGW at 1546 and left for rhodes at 1945. 4hrs and 20 mins late. Has anyone got a reson or thought why such a cock up happened when g-tuif was available from its flight back from PMI. I can only hope that they have sorted this out by the time I am due to fly.

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The history is just that. No reason to be disheartened because your flight is in the future.
As all financial advice says, "the past is no guide to the future"
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Having decided on going to Rhodes for my holiday travelling on a tuesday I was disheartened to find that BY4248 on the 11th jun did not operate on schedule. For some reason it was linked to 4263 that was scheduled to arrive at the same time as 4248 was due to depart ( i hope TUI paid compensation for the delays). On flight mapper it would seem that it should have been paired with 4231 which arrived back to LGW at 1356. 4248 was due to depart at 1525 so it might have had a miniscule delay. Unlike what really happened as 4263 arrived back at LGW at 1546 and left for rhodes at 1945. 4hrs and 20 mins late. Has anyone got a reson or thought why such a cock up happened when g-tuif was available from its flight back from PMI. I can only hope that they have sorted this out by the time I am due to fly.
You could look at any delayed flight with any airline. I dont understand the paranoia about people checking weeks before if their flight has been delayed. What is this going to achieve? Stop worrying, looking at the negative and start looking forward to your holiday.
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Originally Posted by Cazza_fly
You could look at any delayed flight with any airline. I dont understand the paranoia about people checking weeks before if their flight has been delayed. What is this going to achieve? Stop worrying, looking at the negative and start looking forward to your holiday.
Gotta agree, if you are so obsessed with delays stay at home.
​​If things go wrong deal with it afterwards. There can be a multitude of reasons why flights are delayed.
Enjoy your holiday and hopefully everything goes well.
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Gotta agree, if you are so obsessed with delays stay at home.
​​If things go wrong deal with it afterwards. There can be a multitude of reasons why flights are delayed.
Enjoy your holiday and hopefully everything goes well.
I was not particulary worried about my flight but about the many flights that have been delayed by the inability of planners, not leaving sufficient ground times between landings and departures. Correct scheduling would alleviate most of TUI delays. I accept that unserviceability may affect some aircraft, but I have seen many flight delays caused purely because arrivals and departures are virtually at the same time. Are TUI using AI to do their planning instead of manually checking spacing to account for offload/cleaning/refuel/and reloading/catering requirements. I do this as a hobby, so surely the proffessionals should be able to get it so I can't find faults in the system. I note that they manage to get slip crews at their correct destinations for long range flights OK, without having delays on the return flights.
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Originally Posted by dmouse88
I was not particulary worried about my flight but about the many flights that have been delayed by the inability of planners, not leaving sufficient ground times between landings and departures. Correct scheduling would alleviate most of TUI delays. I accept that unserviceability may affect some aircraft, but I have seen many flight delays caused purely because arrivals and departures are virtually at the same time. Are TUI using AI to do their planning instead of manually checking spacing to account for offload/cleaning/refuel/and reloading/catering requirements. I do this as a hobby, so surely the proffessionals should be able to get it so I can't find faults in the system. I note that they manage to get slip crews at their correct destinations for long range flights OK, without having delays on the return flights.
First of all, the information you are getting is incorrect and you shouldnt be using it as gospel. I'm not denying there wont have been delays, but to say that you are certain that they pre-scheduled another departure on the same aircraft before the scheduled arrival is factually incorrect. TUI as an airline, has been around in various carnations for over 60 years with hugely experienced staff. Even someone who does this for a hobby as you say, should know that this is the case. There's countless different reasons what affects an operational decision on any given day with aircraft swaps and crew swaps etc. But rest assured that to cause delays and pee off passengers is not one of them!
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Newcastle Cancun Shannon

Hi all

does anyone know why TUIB on Friday was diverted to SNN on Friday from NCL on route to CUN?

Thanks
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Old 16th Jun 2024, 21:35
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Originally Posted by dmouse88
I was not particulary worried about my flight but about the many flights that have been delayed by the inability of planners, not leaving sufficient ground times between landings and departures. Correct scheduling would alleviate most of TUI delays. I accept that unserviceability may affect some aircraft, but I have seen many flight delays caused purely because arrivals and departures are virtually at the same time. Are TUI using AI to do their planning instead of manually checking spacing to account for offload/cleaning/refuel/and reloading/catering requirements. I do this as a hobby, so surely the proffessionals should be able to get it so I can't find faults in the system. I note that they manage to get slip crews at their correct destinations for long range flights OK, without having delays on the return flights.

I just spent my evening shouting at the TV giving the best advice I could to a top flight international football team - I don't even like football that much, and it definitely isn't my hobby.

It is, however, the equivalent of what you are doing to the TUI schedulers.
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Hi all

does anyone know why TUIB on Friday was diverted to SNN on Friday from NCL on route to CUN?

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I would imagine planned fuel stop, due to the short runway at Newcastle, and maybe heavy aircraft or strong headwinds. Shannon is often used as a fuel stop.
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Originally Posted by BOHskies
I just spent my evening shouting at the TV giving the best advice I could to a top flight international football team - I don't even like football that much, and it definitely isn't my hobby.

It is, however, the equivalent of what you are doing to the TUI schedulers.
We seem to have lost track on my original question, how did they manage to cock up on that particular a/f?
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Old 17th Jun 2024, 18:25
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Who said they cocked up?

There could be countless reasons why this decision was made. It may look like a mistake but in reality someone made a decision for a reason we don’t know….possibly choosing the least worst option available to them.
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Originally Posted by dmouse88
Having decided on going to Rhodes for my holiday travelling on a tuesday I was disheartened to find that BY4248 on the 11th jun did not operate on schedule. For some reason it was linked to 4263 that was scheduled to arrive at the same time as 4248 was due to depart ( i hope TUI paid compensation for the delays). On flight mapper it would seem that it should have been paired with 4231 which arrived back to LGW at 1356. 4248 was due to depart at 1525 so it might have had a miniscule delay. Unlike what really happened as 4263 arrived back at LGW at 1546 and left for rhodes at 1945. 4hrs and 20 mins late. Has anyone got a reson or thought why such a cock up happened when g-tuif was available from its flight back from PMI. I can only hope that they have sorted this out by the time I am due to fly.
To answer your question, on a Tuesday at LGW, the 2 short haul B788s are meant to perform the following flights:-

aircraft 1: TOM4262/3 LGW-KGS-LGW 06:00-11:55/13:20-15:25, then the aircraft is parked up until Wednesday
aircraft 2: TOM4230/1 LGW-PMI-LGW 06:15-09:30/10:45-12:10, then TOM4248/9 LGW-RHO-LGW 15:25-21:25/22:40-00:50

for some reason the aircraft operating back into LGW on TOM4231, did not fly again unitl the following day, maybe the aircraft went tech as it was getting ready to operate TOM4248, so they "pinched" the aircraft that flew on TOM4263, to operate the TOM4248, with a delay of a few hours. Then they had all afternoon/night to fix the tech aircraft, so it was ready for Wednesday. This happens all the time, these events happen!
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