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Not sure where the 200m mark came from, a quick google and this motorway junction with bridges cost £50m a couple of years ago.
Sure there has been inflation, but a dual carriageway junction with a single carriageway direct to the airport, and a cross roads junction with Matchams Lane, should surely not be in the region of 200m. I am sure there would be some road improvement funds they could also access if they created a clever link through to the business park and/or Parley Lane, although I can't see how that would work.
If BCP council were building it... well then, maybe 200m.
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I found the following link for work that concluded in 2021 for masses of work along the A338 and Parley Lane corridors as part of the Bournemouth International Growth programme. Seems that was £49m in total, none of it provided by the airport, so perhaps it is viable to question if a link will be built.
Sure there has been inflation, but a dual carriageway junction with a single carriageway direct to the airport, and a cross roads junction with Matchams Lane, should surely not be in the region of 200m. I am sure there would be some road improvement funds they could also access if they created a clever link through to the business park and/or Parley Lane, although I can't see how that would work.
If BCP council were building it... well then, maybe 200m.
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I found the following link for work that concluded in 2021 for masses of work along the A338 and Parley Lane corridors as part of the Bournemouth International Growth programme. Seems that was £49m in total, none of it provided by the airport, so perhaps it is viable to question if a link will be built.
That was in 2020.
Inflation, supply chain issues, construction costs, etc have all gone up considerably since 2020.
What about the 1.4 miles of single carriageway from the junction to the airport.
If a four floor multi-story car park is estimated to cost approximately £35 million to construct I can assure you that a new junction and link road will be considerably more than the £50 million your suggesting.
The cost will more than likely be around £150 million to construct a new junction and link road. And that's a 2024 figure. The cost of construction will only go up the longer it's left. The costs will then become totally unsustainable and the project will probably never go ahead.
I'm not against it though quite the contrary but let's get realistic with the costs involved.
I’m astounded by the amount of individuals in this feed who have the expertise & knowledge about quoting for an up & over junction & carriageway construction!
Let’s just agree it’ll be very expensive & unlikely that RCA will be able to justify funding it solely by themselves. BCP probably won’t help either. This said, who knows whether there is a grant that central government can issue.
Let’s just agree it’ll be very expensive & unlikely that RCA will be able to justify funding it solely by themselves. BCP probably won’t help either. This said, who knows whether there is a grant that central government can issue.
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I’m astounded by the amount of individuals in this feed who have the expertise & knowledge about quoting for an up & over junction & carriageway construction!
Let’s just agree it’ll be very expensive & unlikely that RCA will be able to justify funding it solely by themselves. BCP probably won’t help either. This said, who knows whether there is a grant that central government can issue.
Let’s just agree it’ll be very expensive & unlikely that RCA will be able to justify funding it solely by themselves. BCP probably won’t help either. This said, who knows whether there is a grant that central government can issue.
However as you quite rightly say it won't happen at BOH because this is the UK and we don't "do" infrastructure!
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What's with this fascination to build a new junction and dual carriageway right up to the front door, Bristol doesn't have this luxury and seems to have done just fine without it up till now?.....I think if RCA did have that kinda cash to splash, there would be many better areas to spend that money on. I do totally agree though that some kind of bus network to and from the Airport needs addressing asap, along with extra/off site parking.
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Discussion of the proposed link road as drawn above is all moot before you even get to fantasy finances, because it ignores the green belt, Moors River SSSI and RAMSAR designations. It's really a non starter unless some serious ecological railroading is done (not in this universe) or the caravan parks are compulsorily purchased and demolished (and the chances of that are...)
See https://www.bcpcouncil.gov.uk/docume...th-Airport.pdf
See https://www.bcpcouncil.gov.uk/docume...th-Airport.pdf
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A new junction would only knock 5 min off the journey time anyway, perhaps 10 min at peak times. Wouldn’t justify the spend, even if the environmental obstacles could be overcome. And car arrival for the based a/c departures each morning (peak terminal demand) is well before the commute to work traffic peak. As such the current recently improved road structure is likely good enough for significant air traffic growth just as it is. Outside of speculation on this forum I don’t believe there has been any mention of a new junction for many years. All pie in the sky.
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I managed to pull out the old MAG master plan, which covers up to 2030, and it has been an eye opener to read and remind of old plans. I'm not sure how much of it still stands but it's worth a reminder... I downloaded it here.
Interestingly we can put the link road issue to bed, in that it is absolutely in the plan, and even stronger than that it is in the Christchurch Local Plan and safeguarded.
The Master Plan reads:
"A new road into the east of the northern sector, from the A338, has been identified as a possible solution, see figure 5.3. The route of this road, which could link through to Parley Lane, is safeguarded in Christchurch Local Plan"
The Christchurch Local Plan reads (in bold):
"A CORRIDOR OF LAND HAS BEEN RESERVED FOR THE CONSTRUCTION OF A LINK ROAD BETWEEN THE BOURNEMOUTH INTERNATIONAL AIRPORT AND THE A338 SPUR ROAD."
There are images in the master plan and simply it runs from the quarry junction to the northern sector, however from what I can make out traffic nunbers need to be a little higher.
In relation to car parking, the Master Plan shows it being extended onto the area currently occupied by the Jets building, so once that is demolished I'm confident it will become parking. The future parking expansion is still on airport running alongside Parley Lane with taxiway A removed, and a new spur running from taxiway B to hold A3.
I'm sure there will be much further discussion from things jumping out of the master plan.
Interestingly we can put the link road issue to bed, in that it is absolutely in the plan, and even stronger than that it is in the Christchurch Local Plan and safeguarded.
The Master Plan reads:
"A new road into the east of the northern sector, from the A338, has been identified as a possible solution, see figure 5.3. The route of this road, which could link through to Parley Lane, is safeguarded in Christchurch Local Plan"
The Christchurch Local Plan reads (in bold):
"A CORRIDOR OF LAND HAS BEEN RESERVED FOR THE CONSTRUCTION OF A LINK ROAD BETWEEN THE BOURNEMOUTH INTERNATIONAL AIRPORT AND THE A338 SPUR ROAD."
There are images in the master plan and simply it runs from the quarry junction to the northern sector, however from what I can make out traffic nunbers need to be a little higher.
In relation to car parking, the Master Plan shows it being extended onto the area currently occupied by the Jets building, so once that is demolished I'm confident it will become parking. The future parking expansion is still on airport running alongside Parley Lane with taxiway A removed, and a new spur running from taxiway B to hold A3.
I'm sure there will be much further discussion from things jumping out of the master plan.
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I think you will find it was in the Christchurch local plan around the turn of the century but like a lot of similar schemes has long since disappeared. That went before the council mergers into BCP. The planning landscape is fundamentally different now and environmental protections are far more extensive. The master plan by MAG is also very out of date for obvious reasons but admittedly gives a useful insight into thinking way back when.
Edit: apologies, I've just found a vague reference to it on the draft BCP local plan. Doesn't mean it will make it to the final version though, Hurn PC for one have objected. It's listed as "A338 3 lane widening (Ashley Heath – Blackwater) and new link road from A338 to the airport". However this is in reference to ensuring that any building permitted during the period of the plan doesn't prejudice this development. There is still somewhere between 0 and 1% chance of such a scheme happening in my life time
Edit: apologies, I've just found a vague reference to it on the draft BCP local plan. Doesn't mean it will make it to the final version though, Hurn PC for one have objected. It's listed as "A338 3 lane widening (Ashley Heath – Blackwater) and new link road from A338 to the airport". However this is in reference to ensuring that any building permitted during the period of the plan doesn't prejudice this development. There is still somewhere between 0 and 1% chance of such a scheme happening in my life time
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The safeguarding has not disappeared. The scheme in its original sense may well have. But the development of the cargo stands to the north would reignite the need for that link to the A338 to protect speed of access to London which is Cargo First's proposition to the market.
A link road to connect the west and east business parks has already been approved as part of the aviation business park development.
A link road to connect the west and east business parks has already been approved as part of the aviation business park development.
I'm sure the previous master plan has been looked through in every detail by RCA, however that was the MAG take on things, the new owners may see things slightly differently. Also, alot has changed since, there has been significant works carried out to blackwater junction and spur road heading south into Bournemouth, both to aid congestion. The parking plan for taxiway A may well be impeded now by the new radar tower, so that remains to be seen if is still a viable option.
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This land will now be a priority for the airport owners (if a deal hasn't been done behind the scenes already) potentially solves the parking issue's, also opens up the opportunity of a much mooted onsite hotel.
I was just reading back a bit further on Bournemouth's planning and saw that in 2021 they reapplied for parking on Parley Lane along with new access, and it was confirmed as lawful as follows:
1. It is concluded that, based on the information submitted, and other sourced evidence from Council records, that the proposed development of the southern access and car park forms part of the approved plans for planning permission 8/07/0065, which was lawfully commenced in 2009 within the approved three year time frame, following discharge of all pre-commencement conditions. The proposed works are therefore lawful, subject to the following three conditions from the lawfully commenced Planning Permission reference 8/07/0065, two which require information to be agreed prior to commencement of the car park and the other prior to first use of the car park.
As you can see the radar off taxiway B is already in place on this plan therefore clearly not an obstruction to the plan, and there doesn't appear to be a time limit on the commencement of the works.
1. It is concluded that, based on the information submitted, and other sourced evidence from Council records, that the proposed development of the southern access and car park forms part of the approved plans for planning permission 8/07/0065, which was lawfully commenced in 2009 within the approved three year time frame, following discharge of all pre-commencement conditions. The proposed works are therefore lawful, subject to the following three conditions from the lawfully commenced Planning Permission reference 8/07/0065, two which require information to be agreed prior to commencement of the car park and the other prior to first use of the car park.
As you can see the radar off taxiway B is already in place on this plan therefore clearly not an obstruction to the plan, and there doesn't appear to be a time limit on the commencement of the works.
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Does anyone know why European Air Cargo or whatever they are called can use lightly converted A340 passenger planes to fly cargo? Do they just take cargo in the belly? I assumed during Covid they relaxed the rules a bit to get more freighter planes in the air but surely that was only a temporary thing. I’m not suggesting they are unsafe but seeing as other passenger plane conversions take years to see the light of day such as the current 777-300 one and no one else seems to operate a A340 freighter I wonder why EAC seem to be a special case. Especially given the fact the owner is a shady guy.
There's an article on their website:
https://european.aero/our-fleet/
They carry both in the cabin and belly. I believe there is some restrictions around having to carry a couple of cabin crew as it's not fully converted, certainly one of my friends flies with them back and forth to China.
https://european.aero/our-fleet/
They carry both in the cabin and belly. I believe there is some restrictions around having to carry a couple of cabin crew as it's not fully converted, certainly one of my friends flies with them back and forth to China.
Does anyone know why European Air Cargo or whatever they are called can use lightly converted A340 passenger planes to fly cargo? Do they just take cargo in the belly? I assumed during Covid they relaxed the rules a bit to get more freighter planes in the air but surely that was only a temporary thing. I’m not suggesting they are unsafe but seeing as other passenger plane conversions take years to see the light of day such as the current 777-300 one and no one else seems to operate a A340 freighter I wonder why EAC seem to be a special case. Especially given the fact the owner is a shady guy.
European Cargo receives EASA certification for A340 conversions - Aviation Business News
As you say it is fact, do you actually have proof that the owner is a shady guy?!
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There's an article on their website:
https://european.aero/our-fleet/
They carry both in the cabin and belly. I believe there is some restrictions around having to carry a couple of cabin crew as it's not fully converted, certainly one of my friends flies with them back and forth to China.
https://european.aero/our-fleet/
They carry both in the cabin and belly. I believe there is some restrictions around having to carry a couple of cabin crew as it's not fully converted, certainly one of my friends flies with them back and forth to China.
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April 2024
Bournemouth showing 34% growth for April compared to last April. Not bad at all bearing in mind Dublin was not operated, but it was last year. The airport is now tantalisingly close to the 1 million mark already on a rolling 12-month basis at 995,000 passengers year to date.
Very strong performance on Spanish, Maltese and Canary Island routes. The new Agadir route looked to be very successful in its first month carrying over 2,500 passengers.
Very strong performance on Spanish, Maltese and Canary Island routes. The new Agadir route looked to be very successful in its first month carrying over 2,500 passengers.
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