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On the subject of Section 106, have looked at Bournemouth’s. While by no means as restrictive as SOU it does recognise that aircraft noise is a declining issue. Maybe time for AGS to persuade the LPAs to revisit that currently in place to firstly recognise this with a view to relaxing the “nights hours” restrictions?
In response to the earlier statement on noise in your post, noise controls do not use discernible levels, they use measured levels.
Absolutely agree. As somebody living near an approach path, I'm happy to set up a blind test in the early hours of the morning with whoever makes these claims and see if they can tell the difference.
If the current list isn't causing problems, I'd stick with it. You are more likely to get more added then getting any removed. If it ain't broke, don't fix it - you could opening Pandora's box!
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Do you believe car manufacturers fuel figures? No difference, they all fail to meet the claims in the real world.
Last edited by LTNman; 3rd Jul 2024 at 12:35.
Weren't the operating hours agreed as part of the permission for the runway extension. What material change would AGS use to argue for a review?
If the current list isn't causing problems, I'd stick with it. You are more likely to get more added then getting any removed. If it ain't broke, don't fix it - you could opening Pandora's box!
If the current list isn't causing problems, I'd stick with it. You are more likely to get more added then getting any removed. If it ain't broke, don't fix it - you could opening Pandora's box!
Of the 17 aircraft listed on the banned list, there are 8 types that are no longer flying plus the B747/DC10/Tristar cannot operate due to the SOU runway width . IMHO says a lot for the expertise of the AGS staff involved in the last review!
Committee's love to review a list - it's gives the impression of activity withot doing much. If you look to take them off because they are no longer active, they'll look to replace with something else. better to let it lie. Presumably the list is just out of some ICAO document annex?
[QUOTE=SWBKCB;11689377.................... Presumably the list is just out of some ICAO document annex?[/QUOTE]
Definitely not the case, it's something that was dreamt up when the original 106 was drafted. From memory beiieve that Concorde was also on the original list.
Definitely not the case, it's something that was dreamt up when the original 106 was drafted. From memory beiieve that Concorde was also on the original list.
Noise will always be a contentious topic at Southampton due to the fact that unlike many others, it is situated slap bang in the middle of a densely populated area. In fact, aircraft departing in a southerly direction fly over extremely densely populated residential areas immediately after take off, with Southampton containing the second highest concentration of population per sq km in South East England.
The airport actually sits (just) within the also densely populated borough of Eastleigh, but Southampton City Council objected to the runway extension and both Eastleigh Borough Council and Southampton City Council would have an enormous political storm on their hands if there were anything as much as vague mutterings about allowing extended flying times.
I would say that SOU is lucky to have the hours of operation it currently enjoys and will have to make the best of the situation.
Although the airport benefits from great transport links, it is hemmed in by a country park with ancient woodland, a main line railway, a motorway, an increasingly busy railway works and depot and mile after mile of residential development.
If one were starting from scratch and the question was ‘where would be the worst place to build an airport’ it’s already sitting exactly in that spot.
The airport actually sits (just) within the also densely populated borough of Eastleigh, but Southampton City Council objected to the runway extension and both Eastleigh Borough Council and Southampton City Council would have an enormous political storm on their hands if there were anything as much as vague mutterings about allowing extended flying times.
I would say that SOU is lucky to have the hours of operation it currently enjoys and will have to make the best of the situation.
Although the airport benefits from great transport links, it is hemmed in by a country park with ancient woodland, a main line railway, a motorway, an increasingly busy railway works and depot and mile after mile of residential development.
If one were starting from scratch and the question was ‘where would be the worst place to build an airport’ it’s already sitting exactly in that spot.
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Noise will always be a contentious topic at Southampton due to the fact that unlike many others, it is situated slap bang in the middle of a densely populated area. In fact, aircraft departing in a southerly direction fly over extremely densely populated residential areas immediately after take off, with Southampton containing the second highest concentration of population per sq km in South East England.
The airport actually sits (just) within the also densely populated borough of Eastleigh, but Southampton City Council objected to the runway extension and both Eastleigh Borough Council and Southampton City Council would have an enormous political storm on their hands if there were anything as much as vague mutterings about allowing extended flying times.
I would say that SOU is lucky to have the hours of operation it currently enjoys and will have to make the best of the situation. Although the airport benefits from great transport links, it is hemmed in by a country park with ancient woodland, a main line railway, a motorway, an increasingly busy railway works and depot and mile after mile of residential development.
If one were starting from scratch and the question was ‘where would be the worst place to build an airport’ it’s already sitting exactly in that spot.
The airport actually sits (just) within the also densely populated borough of Eastleigh, but Southampton City Council objected to the runway extension and both Eastleigh Borough Council and Southampton City Council would have an enormous political storm on their hands if there were anything as much as vague mutterings about allowing extended flying times.
I would say that SOU is lucky to have the hours of operation it currently enjoys and will have to make the best of the situation. Although the airport benefits from great transport links, it is hemmed in by a country park with ancient woodland, a main line railway, a motorway, an increasingly busy railway works and depot and mile after mile of residential development.
If one were starting from scratch and the question was ‘where would be the worst place to build an airport’ it’s already sitting exactly in that spot.
That is a simplistic answer that has no merit. Maybe the question should be “Did you buy your house before the runway was extended?”
Or even to the airport. “Did you not build a runway extension in full knowledge that it was facing a protected wood at the end of the runway with limited opening hours?”
Or a question to EasyJet. “Are you not a chancer airline operating flights into an airport that closes around two and a half hours after your scheduled Majorca departure after spending the day flying around Europe picking up delays?”
Or even to the airport. “Did you not build a runway extension in full knowledge that it was facing a protected wood at the end of the runway with limited opening hours?”
Or a question to EasyJet. “Are you not a chancer airline operating flights into an airport that closes around two and a half hours after your scheduled Majorca departure after spending the day flying around Europe picking up delays?”
Last edited by LTNman; 3rd Jul 2024 at 14:50.
Maybe the answer would be "I bought it after the S106 agreement was put in place, why should I put up with more noise because you got your business case wrong?"
I’m lucky to enjoy the best of both worlds living both conveniently close to the airport, but sufficiently far away for noise to not be too troublesome. But even here, the difference between the previously frequent Q400s and the present day reduced frequency of flights, but now often operated by EMB 170s/190s and the Airbus 319s/320s is very noticeable.
No council politicians or local MPs would risk the rumpus of their disgruntled constituents by supporting an increase in operating hours, which are broadly the same as other similar ‘city’ airports, (Belfast City, London City) and I imagine we won’t see them changing.
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Noise will always be a contentious topic at Southampton due to the fact that unlike many others, it is situated slap bang in the middle of a densely populated area. In fact, aircraft departing in a southerly direction fly over extremely densely populated residential areas immediately after take off, with Southampton containing the second highest concentration of population per sq km in South East England.
The airport actually sits (just) within the also densely populated borough of Eastleigh, but Southampton City Council objected to the runway extension and both Eastleigh Borough Council and Southampton City Council would have an enormous political storm on their hands if there were anything as much as vague mutterings about allowing extended flying times.
I would say that SOU is lucky to have the hours of operation it currently enjoys and will have to make the best of the situation.
Although the airport benefits from great transport links, it is hemmed in by a country park with ancient woodland, a main line railway, a motorway, an increasingly busy railway works and depot and mile after mile of residential development.
If one were starting from scratch and the question was ‘where would be the worst place to build an airport’ it’s already sitting exactly in that spot.
The airport actually sits (just) within the also densely populated borough of Eastleigh, but Southampton City Council objected to the runway extension and both Eastleigh Borough Council and Southampton City Council would have an enormous political storm on their hands if there were anything as much as vague mutterings about allowing extended flying times.
I would say that SOU is lucky to have the hours of operation it currently enjoys and will have to make the best of the situation.
Although the airport benefits from great transport links, it is hemmed in by a country park with ancient woodland, a main line railway, a motorway, an increasingly busy railway works and depot and mile after mile of residential development.
If one were starting from scratch and the question was ‘where would be the worst place to build an airport’ it’s already sitting exactly in that spot.
allowing say 14 flights a month up to midnight would certainly cover the meagre later Sun flights we have of might have.
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That is a simplistic answer that has no merit. Maybe the question should be “Did you buy your house before the runway was extended?”
Or even to the airport. “Did you not build a runway extension in full knowledge that it was facing a protected wood at the end of the runway with limited opening hours?”
Or a question to EasyJet. “Are you not a chancer airline operating flights into an airport that closes around two and a half hours after your scheduled Majorca departure after spending the day flying around Europe picking up delays?”
Or even to the airport. “Did you not build a runway extension in full knowledge that it was facing a protected wood at the end of the runway with limited opening hours?”
Or a question to EasyJet. “Are you not a chancer airline operating flights into an airport that closes around two and a half hours after your scheduled Majorca departure after spending the day flying around Europe picking up delays?”
